Illegal for Parents to Snoop on the Kid's Phone Conversation

[Anonymous]

Chi - I think this bears repeating.  Antigen wrote this:

From my perspective, take your experience in the seminar and put it into your daughter's context. Granted, you don't completely understand how she thinks (I read and answered your other post). But just put yourself in her shoes. What if the seminar were not just a few days? What if it were an indeterminate period of time? Could be years. What if you really, really couldn't leave. If, when you stepped out the door, you were a second class citizen as teenagers are. No property, no bank card, no ID, no credibility (oh, and btw, some miles of badlands populated by folk who can make a quick buck by capturing you and turning you in) You just can't get away from these people, even to take a breather. And, if you did manage it, you'd be a fugative w/o any rights and no one would believe you.

That's where your daughter is. Is that better or worse than where she put herself before the Program? Cause, based on what I've read, if she wants to get by, she's required to pretend, convincingly, that this is much, much better!

I truly wish you luck with your situation.  I know how confusing and frightening it is to be raising teenagers now.  I'm not saying that no one should ever be in a residential program, but I am saying that no one should ever be in a WWASP program.  I don't know enough about your specific situation to give any advice other than if she already has some emotional problems WWASP is the LAST place you want her to be.  The psychological damage that is done will be with her for life.

[Antigen]

Chi, try this interview:

http://www.worldtalkradio.com/archive.asp?aid=3102

One of the guests, Kelly, talks extensively about her experience at CSA.

Theology: The effort to explain the unknowable in terms of the not worth knowing.
--H. L. Mencken, American publisher

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-14 11:11:00, Antigen wrote:

"Chi, try this interview:



http://www.worldtalkradio.com/archive.asp?aid=3102



One of the guests, Kelly, talks extensively about her experience at CSA.

Theology: The effort to explain the unknowable in terms of the not worth knowing.
--H. L. Mencken, American publisher

"

Kelly talks about Cross Creek Manor, not Carolina Springs.

(CCM was the first WWASP program; all of the other facilities were modelled after it.)

[Anonymous]

Kelly talks about Cross Creek Manor, not Carolina Springs.

Makes no difference.  The "seminars" are run by Resource Realizations, Premier Educational, or whatever they are calling themselves this week.  They go round all the WWASP schools doing the same thing.  It is quite possible that chi3's daughter will get the same trainer as Kelly had.  In any case, the trainers all have the same MO.

[chi3]

thanks, that is the kind of information i am finding very helpful. i really do want to talk to some ex-CSA kids or parents. if any are on here or someone knows someone i would appreciate it.

[Anonymous]

Why not ask ISAC if they can put you in touch with someone?

[Deborah]

Okay, parents know their child will or did particpate in seminars and quasi therapy. But, do they know the specifics of what happens in either?

I would say that would be a NO, not only for W programs but all programs.

How many would think it okay if they did? Do parents experience the same 'therapy' in their seminars?

While I know regression therapy can be very useful, can't say that I'd want my kid subjected to their bastardized version of it.

Having the client play the victim role in regression is not desirable, to no knowledge. I would certain have the victim take the role of perpetrator. Genuinely effective. But, then you have to have highly trained staff conduct one on one sessions. Can't have a production line regression party.

[BuzzKill]

I want to stress this point - it matters not which wwasp program you are concerned with - they are all the same.
I played this game to. When I was first learning about the abuse and neglect that takes place - I took great comfort in the fact Dundee wasn't mentioned. It was a false comfort based on false notions that the program varried from place to place. It does not. It is the same program in all the wwasp "schools". What happens in one, happens in the rest. It is what the program IS.

[Anonymous]

Wrong they are run similar, but each one has it's differences.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-15 04:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Wrong they are run similar, but each one has it's differences."

Not enough to matter.

[BuzzKill]

There are some differences, sure. One may call its particular hell hole the Hobbit, were as another calls it Observation Place (OP), and another calls it R & R (don't know what that stands for)and another calls it Special needs, and so on - but it is all the same kind of place where the same kinds of things occur.

If it is a WWASP "school" - then it is a Program school - and the Program is the Program.

And the relationships that exist between the owners of these programs and the President of WWASP and Teen Help and R&R billing and on and on, indicate a sameness of purpose, motivation and ideology.

They do market the various "schools" as if there are differences - but if a parent shows a disinclination for one, they will sell them which ever one they can, and assure them it is also the perfect choice. It matters not - because they are all the same. The budding psychotic and the drug abuser and the kid whose grades dropped a point will all receive the exact same kind of "therapy".

[Anonymous]

Most of the schools only have intervention now which is where the kid just sits with other kids in the same boat and some faculty and upper levels. I believe op is only in jamaica now. Maybe they are trying? I don;t think op is right either, but jamaica gets most of the hard cases also. The one who cares

[Nihilanthic]

Excuses, Excuses, excuses.

Youre unable to do any other job and this shit was made such a part of your life instead of dropped at the doorstep when you left DeSisto (whee, arent cults FUN!) that you cant help but go along with it even if you have the capacity to now think, and think its wrong!

God. Can you even get another job, "OWC"? Huh?

Why the fuck do you think they send recalcitrant children to Jamaica? BECAUSE THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT IN JAMAICA!

They're not watched very carefully by the locals, who only want their money and probaly dont give a fuck about 'spoiled white american kids'.

DO NOT DARE give me bullshit about how the hard cases deserve it, or whatever. I'm SICK of it. Free your mind or go back to sleep and just dont ever wake the fuck up. All you can do is kidnap and terrify kids and act like youre some great man when you only handcuff the ones too afraid to try to run and give them a hug when they're so fucked over by their sheer terror they'd cling to any sort of affection at all.

I give money for church organs in the hope the organ music will distract the congregation's attention from the rest of the service.
--Andrew Carnegie, Scottish-born American industrialist and philanthropist

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-15 11:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Most of the schools only have intervention now which is where the kid just sits with other kids in the same boat and some faculty and upper levels. I believe op is only in jamaica now. Maybe they are trying? I don;t think op is right either, but jamaica gets most of the hard cases also. The one who cares"

I find that incredibly hard to believe. OP/R&R/whatever you want to call it is such a fundamental part of the program. I find it more likely that WWASP is spreading this bullshit around to make parents believe they've changed. They haven't. They won't. WWASP is just as abusive as dangerous now as it was before.

[Anonymous]

You only doing that thing that kids do, that i told all of you about. They try to get at a person by pushing thier buttons. But niles i am beyond you and your immature mentality.I had another job and was recruited to do this one, I have never been without a job since I was 18. I have been working longer than you have been alive. So nice try. I hve had 2 other jobs where i worked for a company 7 years at a time. So nice try young one. I think i'll push your buttons now, I am leaving for a job, see ya later niles. Get more than a speech therapist, get a real one. If only you really knew.
 The one who cares