Illegal for Parents to Snoop on the Kid's Phone Conversation

[Nihilanthic]

Yes, I have several points, you just dont want to address them.

No, I dont know, THATS THE POINT, YOU IDIOT.

THE POINT IS WE *DONT* KNOW BECAUSE OF THE INCREDIBLE SECRECY OF THESE STUPID PROGRAMS AND THAST WHY WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE TO FIND OUT FOR SURE, AND IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, FIX IT - IF NOT, REGULATE TO PREVENT IT!

Make sense yet? I sure hope so.

Now, the local cops are probably just not going to give a fuck and honestly dont really know shit about the industry or whats going on. Saying you got past airport security is hardly an accomplishment these days.

Now, if its picked up from a jail or hospital, or court ordered, then yes, theres a court order.

Now, let me put this on its own paragraph so you can try to understand this: Just because some judge orders it, doesnt mean the kid needs it. Ok?

There is currently no due process. As I said before. One of my points that dont exist, right?

A judge wanting to punish a kid or put him in 'treatment' instead of incarceration doesnt really know about the kid, or the treatment center, and doesnt have to, because a judge can do whatever the fuck he wants. But, if hes on your side, you're not gonna question it.

My point is, yet again, a lot of the time, if not MOST of the time, there is no real evaluation to see if the kid NEEDS treatment at all, and if so, if they NEED to be locked up for the said treatment, and what kind, to get it.

As it is, they'll take any kid, because they want MONEY. You'll take any kid the parent wants to be taken, because you always believe all kids need it, and you want YOUR money, too.

There is no impartial evaluation. Theres simply product-pushing to get the child sent in, so they get their damn money.

I realize now youre going to ignore everything I Say, but at least others might read what I have to say.

The one who THINKS.

Revelation indeed had no weight with me.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor

[chi3]

well, in all of that I will try to tell you what I do know to be fact. I am not a ditz. I have a child who was involved with serious reckless behavior. I have listened in on the phone, etc., and make no apologies for that. The stuff I heard was bad. I don't think we overreacted by getting her away from that. She was planning another runaway, had done it before. The wwasp thing was sold to us when we were desperate. Yes, I believe they play upon parents fears. I also know they say they do not take any childre with drug, alcohol abuse problems of mental issues. This is a lie. Most of the kids there with my daughter have one or all of these problems. We were told it was a strict boarding school that would keep her safe and from running away. That was what we needed. Well, they have accomplished the not running away, and I have been there unscheduled. I went along with not seeing my child against my better jusgement, but was still not aware of the things I am now. She has not been denied medical care. She has been taken and I was asked if I wanted her to see anyone else. She has gained weight, but I am not sure if it is empty calories. I know they don't get much exercise, so that can cause it, too. I have not heard of any physical abuse coming out of there. Has anyone else? At any time? Has anyone ever been there at that particular place or had a child there? I really would listen to anything they had to say. Once again, thank you  to everyone who responds.



oh, BTW, they do have adequate hygiene items, clean clothes, etc. My daughter has said she often over eats there, and I have seen pictures of the tables w/food on the holidays. Don't know what day-to-day is like.

[chi3]

Another thought, if I take her out of there, where do I go next??? I have no idea who I would trust, now. Are there some good places out there that don't use this beh. mod. program?

[Perrigaud]

Chi,
 I am a graduate of CCM. If you'd like to talk I'm around. I have no problems telling you both the positive and the negative. Truth is what I offer.  [ This Message was edited by: Perrigaud on 2005-01-14 02:24 ]

[Perrigaud]

As for the gaining weight. Well some kids come from detox and are off the drugs but are mal nourished. The food is fatty and made to help them gain weight. The exercise is not as extensive as it should be.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-14 02:03:00, chi3 wrote:

"Another thought, if I take her out of there, where do I go next??? I have no idea who I would trust, now. Are there some good places out there that don't use this beh. mod. program?"

Chi3, get your kid out of there, and get her to a psychologist/psychiatrist for a complete evaluation that may help pinpoint the problem, and may give you some pointers about where to go from there.

Take her to see a REAL professional, who will help point you to good, beneficial programs.

But first, get her out of there. And, please, do it as soon as possible. She'll thank you later, and you'll thank yourself for not keeping her in an abusive treatment program.

I'm not sure if you've seen this yet, but there's some specific info about CSA here:
http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.html#csa

[chi3]

yes, i have read that, but thank you. really tho what does any of it say other than Narvin Lichfield is an idiot??? I mean I called dept. of children services. they couldn't tell me anything.said that no claims of abuse, etc., had been substantiated.to me that doesn't mean they aren't true, but i wish i could find one piece of info about any abuse that took place. i would be happy to have some previous csa students/parents take on this. anything. i am not just going to take my chld out of there and leave it at that if there is some bad things going on. i want all the kids safe. i have some friends w/ kids there,too. they don't want to believe anything could be bad. they would tho if they had more to go on, i think. I couldn't find out, does anyone know if they have allowed Narvin L. back on csa property? he needs to be in jail.

[Perrigaud]

CHI,
 Good luck. If you really think that it's the best decision to take her out good luck. By the way I'm not saying your decision is a good one nor a bad one. But don't give up on your daughter and the hopes she will be a good person (I'm sure she is she just has some figuring out to do). It sounds as though she has some pent up anger that needs to be released somehow. I aggree with the whole enrolling her in an activity that will allow her to release what she needs to. I also believe that whatever she is holding on to needs to be worked on. I feel for both you and her.

[chi3]

thank you, perrigaud. i am trying to make the best decision on what i have to go on. this is not easy.

[Perrigaud]

It's not going to get easier (I'm talking about you getting her out).

[Anonymous]

You are confusing being arrested and Intervention.It is sad but the parents are the judge and jury in these circumstances. The child does not get due process. when the child can not make valid decisions it is the parents right again just like snooping around. So you don't think kids get help at these places, well as i've said i have seen the change in many kids and you will have to just give up on the brianwahing stuff. Watch the manchurain candidate
that will show brainwahing. Again i will say if you think that seperating a child from the unhealty ways they are living and getting them clean and getting them to see that thier family should be the most important people in thier lives. Then we need more brainwashing if it can help a kid like perigaud see tha future is bright. So you are now calling all cops and tsa idiots and that they don't know the law. Well i had a situation where about 7 cop cars came while we were doing a public intervention from car to car. The kid started screaming and put up a struggle. After about 45 mins. of the police checking everything out and the supervisor then coming the child was told he had no choice and that it was the law that he came with us. This by the way was probbably my craziest intervention. So don't even try to say that cops don't know the law, it is thier job too. By the way the parents were present and the cops still checked everything very carefully. You show your how immature you are when you can not carry on a debate with out calling someone and idiot. Bottom lie is again you were never at one of theses schools, you are have no life so you found something that you can join in on feel like you are doing something. No one here knows you really and what the hell you do besides this.
I'm glad you found something to jump on the bandwagon for, But you are 20, focus on your life and maybe you will have one.The one who cares

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-14 05:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You are confusing being arrested and Intervention.It is sad but the parents are the judge and jury in these circumstances. The child does not get due process. when the child can not make valid decisions it is the parents right again just like snooping around. So you don't think kids get help at these places, well as i've said i have seen the change in many kids and you will have to just give up on the brianwahing stuff. Watch the manchurain candidate

that will show brainwahing. Again i will say if you think that seperating a child from the unhealty ways they are living and getting them clean and getting them to see that thier family should be the most important people in thier lives. Then we need more brainwashing if it can help a kid like perigaud see tha future is bright. So you are now calling all cops and tsa idiots and that they don't know the law. Well i had a situation where about 7 cop cars came while we were doing a public intervention from car to car. The kid started screaming and put up a struggle. After about 45 mins. of the police checking everything out and the supervisor then coming the child was told he had no choice and that it was the law that he came with us. This by the way was probbably my craziest intervention. So don't even try to say that cops don't know the law, it is thier job too. By the way the parents were present and the cops still checked everything very carefully. You show your how immature you are when you can not carry on a debate with out calling someone and idiot. Bottom lie is again you were never at one of theses schools, you are have no life so you found something that you can join in on feel like you are doing something. No one here knows you really and what the hell you do besides this.

I'm glad you found something to jump on the bandwagon for, But you are 20, focus on your life and maybe you will have one.The one who cares"

Why should anyone listen to what you have to sya? You kidnap children. You managed to convince yourself that you are some great hero by kidnapping dozens of children and transferring them to gulags, and now you try your best to sweep as many people as possible into that delusion with you.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-14 03:57:00, chi3 wrote:

"yes, i have read that, but thank you. really tho what does any of it say other than Narvin Lichfield is an idiot??? I mean I called dept. of children services. they couldn't tell me anything.said that no claims of abuse, etc., had been substantiated.to me that doesn't mean they aren't true, but i wish i could find one piece of info about any abuse that took place. i would be happy to have some previous csa students/parents take on this. anything. i am not just going to take my chld out of there and leave it at that if there is some bad things going on. i want all the kids safe. i have some friends w/ kids there,too. they don't want to believe anything could be bad. they would tho if they had more to go on, i think. I couldn't find out, does anyone know if they have allowed Narvin L. back on csa property? he needs to be in jail."

I don't know about CSA, but I know that Narvin is still a very senior figure in WWASP, and that he owns the new facility, Pillars of Hope in Costa Rica (which is actually Dundee by a different name).

[Anonymous]

I don't need anyone to beleive me, i am just sharing my opinion on the matter. Which i have every right to do. You call it kidnapping, myself and the law do not. So enjoy your opinion because that is all it is.The one who cares

[Timoclea]

On 2005-01-14 06:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I don't need anyone to beleive me, i am just sharing my opinion on the matter. Which i have every right to do. You call it kidnapping, myself and the law do not. So enjoy your opinion because that is all it is.The one who cares"

Opinions are like...belly buttons.  Everyone has one.

Not all residential care is bad.  Sometimes residential care is necessary.

A second opinion from a board certified pediatric psychiatrist is *always* a good idea.

Picking a licensed facility with professional staff and an accredited school is pretty much always better than picking someplace with no checks and balances to ensure quality of care.

If some facility has a good thing going, fine.  They can help present themselves well to potential consumers by pursuing licensing and accreditation.  If they don't pursue it or have it, it's entirely reasonable for any parent to ask hard questions about why not.

Why do you have so much emotional investment in trying to persuade parents to buy a pig in a poke?

Timoclea

Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense...
-- John Adams, (1788)