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« on: January 07, 2005, 02:06:00 PM »
A double feature. Parents can't snoop, and another 'troubled' teens does well. Geez! Will wonders cease?

Eavesdropping against law even for parent, court says

By: Christine Clarridge, staff reporter - December 10th, 2004
Seattle Times [www.seattletimes.com]

In a case of snooping parents vs. their children, a mother's eavesdropping on a telephone conversation between the woman's daughter and her daughter's boyfriend violated the children's privacy, the state Supreme Court ruled yesterday.

The high court unanimously reversed a 2000 robbery conviction against Oliver Christensen, 22, of Friday Harbor, in a case based in part on the testimony of the mother and what she heard in that telephone conversation.

"The court said it is against the law to intercept or snoop on anybody's private conversation and that even a child has privacy rights," said Christensen's attorney, Michael Tario. "And further, the law says it is a crime for someone to do that, and that whatever is heard cannot be mentioned in court."

The mother, Carmen Dixon, was incredulous.

"I just believe you have the right to know what your kids are doing and who they're doing it with," said Dixon, 47, of Friday Harbor. "We were having a hard time with her as a teenager. She was sort of out of control."

Monitoring her daughter's phone calls was "the way I could keep track of what she was up to," Dixon said.

San Juan County Prosecuting Attorney Randall Gaylord said the court's position weakens the ability of parents to monitor their children's actions.

"I tell parents that they need to be involved in their children's lives, and I'm concerned that this will mean parents can't always do the right thing," Gaylord said. "I'm concerned that a 14-year-old's right to privacy now trumps the parent's right to be a parent."

Because Christensen has already served the nine-month jail term to which he was sentenced, Gaylord said his office has not decided whether to seek a new trial.

According to court documents, Christensen telephoned his girlfriend, Lacey Dixon, then 14, and talked about being a suspect in a purse snatching in October 2000.

To take the call, the girl went to her room and shut the door.

Her mother activated a speakerphone, listened to the conversation and took notes, according to court documents. Dixon said yesterday she overheard her daughter question Christensen about his involvement in the purse snatching. Though Christensen didn't admit to the crime, he told Dixon's daughter "they'll never find it" because he hid it "across a ditch in some stick bushes," Dixon said.

"I'm shocked and I'm disappointed," Dixon said of the court's ruling, "because my testimony is what convicted" Christensen.

Douglas Klunder, who filed a friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of the American Civil Liberties Union, said the opinion reinforces the state's reputation as a strong guardian of personal privacy.

Klunder said the primary issue before the high court was whether the use of an extension or speaker phone was considered eavesdropping. A secondary issue was whether there was an exception in the case of parents and their children.

Attorneys for the state argued that minors should have a reduced expectation of privacy because parents have an absolute right to monitor phone calls coming into the family home. The attorneys cited provisions in federal wiretap law which are less restrictive than Washington's law and allow parents to tape and listen to their children's conversations.

"The Washington act, with its all-party consent requirement, contains no such parental exception and no Washington court has ever implied such an exception. We decline to do so now," wrote Justice Tom Chambers in the court's opinion.

Tario said his client is now a crab fisherman in Alaska.

Carmen Dixon's daughter, now 18, graduated from high school and is attending a massage-therapy school in Everett, her mother said. Their relationship now "is great," Dixon said.

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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2005, 12:38:00 AM »
That's incredibly irresponsible of any parent!   Sick, I tell ya, just sick and twisted.  Bad parent, bad, bad, bad for listening to their child's conversations.  What's this world coming to? :flame:
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2005, 01:59:00 PM »
Being involved in your kid's life is one thing. snooping for evidence to put their friends in prison is something entirely different.

I'll admit that, at times, I have picked up the office phone to find out what my daughter was up to. More often than not, I've lived to regret it, though sometimes it was just good clean fun. At one time, we had a setup where we could record and play back little sound bites. We had one of her friends saying "that fuckin bitch!" which would throw a little chaos into almost any conversation (and, btw, let them know we were fuckin w/ them, which was part of the point). We had another taken off a website that said "Estoy en me casa estrangulado el poyo"(sp?), which was good for any time someone asked a male caller "What'chya doin?"

But that was just for our own amusement and a little good natured ribbing. The law in Florida is that anyone can record anything they hear or see either from their own private property or from a public place. But it's not admisible in court. I think that's an especially good idea where juveniles are concerned because they have a tendency to brag about doing or planning things that they have no real intention to do. And we would never dream of violating the trust that our kids have in us by turning their private (within the family) conversations into state's evidence.

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2005, 08:21:00 AM »
He is a criminal and of age, he should go to jail!! Good parenting
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2005, 12:36:00 PM »
I think it is disgusting that some parents have so little respect for their children...perhaps that is why so many teens have no respect for parents. Listening to private conversations, snooping through personal belongings and barging through closed doors unannounced are completely disrespectful behaviors. It's no wonder some kids are so suspicious of adults.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2005, 12:55:00 PM »
Ok so the next time you over hear your kid talking about somking crack and knocking off a liquor store on the phone with his homey, ignore it its non of your buisness. No wonder kids have no respect for their parents most of them know they can get away with it
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2005, 01:59:00 PM »
If a child is hanging around with crack heads who rob stores, listening in on their phone conversations and otherwise snooping around won't fix the problem. The entire family needs serious help from a qualified professional. Kids normally do not get that screwed up without help from their parents.
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2005, 02:47:00 PM »
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"If a child is hanging around with crack heads who rob stores, listening in on their phone conversations and otherwise snooping around won't fix the problem. The entire family needs serious help from a qualified professional. Kids normally do not get that screwed up without help from their parents. "

What fucking world are you living in?
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2005, 04:05:00 PM »
Thankfully not the same miserable, hateful,  negative world you are in.
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2005, 04:15:00 PM »
If a parent suspects that thier child is involved with drugs and other illegal activities, it is thier right and obligation as a parent to look out for thier child and snoop as much as they need to to help thier child.If not then yes it is a horrible thing for a parent to do. But in this case it seems the young girl was involved with an adult who is not only too old, but into criminal activities. But sure don't snoop let the girl go and doo what ever they want, they'll grow out of it. Or they could get pregnant, go to jail or even die. But by all means don;t snoop. Get real people. You bone heads keep putting your foot in your mouths and make all of us others here see that you are all a little too gung ho. Lets just get rid of all parents. Kids are fine. The one that cares
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2005, 04:38:00 PM »
OWC - why do you always end up repeating program dogma?

"they could get pregnant, go to jail or even die"

COME ON. WHY DO YOU REPEAT THAT? WHY DOES EVERYONE REPEAT THAT?

There is a difference between looking out for them, and being control freak (especially the kind that hires goons like you).

So speaking of putting a foot in your mouth, you just showed your ass, again!

You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.

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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2005, 05:11:00 PM »
It has nothing to do with the program, it is a reality. So just stop with this program crap. I say it from experience from working with youths for 18 years and also my experiences as a youth. I saw allot of kids OD at my high school.Also After. some were friends some were not, but seeing is believing. That's where I get it from young one. The one that cares
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2005, 05:32:00 PM »
Once upon a time, heroin, codine, morphene and cocaine preparations could be bought by anyone from the corner apothacary (drug store) or by mail from the Sears catalog. No prescription required, even children were not prohibited by law from making these purchases. The drugs delivered were pure, cheap (Bayer sold heroin for the same price per pill as aspirin) and of known potentcy.

Overdoses were so rare that even Harry Anslinger didn't try to use that as a scare tactic to pass the Harrison Act.

If you sincerely want to reduce the incidence of overdose in America, then you should get behind Law Enforcement Against Prohibition's effort to return to a policy of regulation instead of attempted prohibition. http://leap.cc/

But I suspect that's just a pretense to cover your real need for domination.  :razz:

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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2005, 06:16:00 PM »
Drugs are now more powerful and more available than when i was young and then there was no oxy cotton or extasy. I think there are about 10 kids that OD'd from my public High School class.
Seems when i'm right you change the subject.
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2005, 06:31:00 PM »
Do you even bother to read any of these sites that people try to send you to?  It sure doesn't seem so.  Why don't you give that a try and then maybe you'll have something intelligent to bring to the table.
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