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Offline Nihilanthic

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« on: December 30, 2004, 08:38:00 PM »
I saw it on fox news, so it MUST be true!

?America?s kids are all right. Juvenile violent crime (search) has fallen every year ? and nearly halved ? since 1995. The percentage of high school students who carry weapons to school is at a 10-year low. There were 14 homicides on school campuses in 2002-03, down from 34 10 years earlier. Teen birthrates (search) are at a 20-year low, and high school dropout rates are at a 35-year low.

Funny, though, how BS treatment for kids, and fears about kids, are not on the decline either....

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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2004, 08:42:00 PM »
Actually, it was our old friend Radley.

http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... forum=32&1
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2004, 08:52:00 PM »
Whoops! Didnt know I was crossposting!

Oh well. No harm done I guess. TY for the link!

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2004, 08:56:00 PM »
No worries, just wanted to give Radley some credit...he's been good to us. :em:
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2004, 09:24:00 PM »
I'm a program parent and this is awesome news!  Could it be that the siblings of the kids in the program, who go to the teen seminars and their parents that are learning to be better parents... or the impact that all the Challenge Days being held all over the country in our junior high schools http://www.challengeday.org/ are making a difference?  What about all the teen programs within the different churches? I know it's only a drop in the bucket, but this is what we all want!    

http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Dec/20041230News012.asp

More teens are avoiding bad choices
Sex, drug use are down, study says.


Knight Ridder Newspapers
Published Thursday, December 30, 2004
SAN JOSE, Calif. - Sex, alcohol, drugs.

For teenagers, these have long been considered rites of passage, the conventional ways to rebel.

Maybe not anymore.

Now, being "good" is in.

That seems to be the conclusion from the host of studies and surveys that have trickled out during the past year.

Earlier this month, a federal study reported that smoking and drug use among teens continued to decline in 2004, especially among younger teens. Another government study reported that U.S. teens are waiting longer to have sexual intercourse and the vast majority of those who do are using contraception.

No one is sure why teenagers are engaging in less risky behaviors, and many experts are wary about labeling today?s teens as "good," free of problems that plagued earlier generations.

Briana Taylor, 17, a senior at Leigh High School in San Jose, Calif., says she has been influenced to steer clear of drugs by the funny and smart anti-drug public health ads on MTV and in teen magazines.

Indeed, targeted public health campaigns might be succeeding in educating teens on the potential negative consequences of specific substances and behaviors. The drop in risky behaviors could also be because of the fact that with the Internet and television, kids are exposed to more but also can seek out information as they need it. And today?s parents - the hell-raising generation that terrified their parents - might be better informed than the previous generation and able to quickly, directly and calmly address problems.

And there could be another reason, the corollary to the over-scheduled child. "I don?t think kids have a lot of time to be bad anymore," says Mary Lamia, a clinical psychologist and host of the radio show "KidTalk with Dr. Mary."

From movies and television shows, Christine Takaichi, 15, of San Jose, thought high school was going to be about battling temptations, "the things you weren?t supposed to do," she says.

The reality at her all-girl, private high school has been different. So far, she hasn?t been to a party where there was alcohol.

Recently, Briana asked her parents whether she could attend parties. "I asked them to trust me that I wouldn?t do anything like drink," she says. Her parents agreed.

Her mother, Lisa Taylor, 44, says she is better prepared than her parents. "I think there?s more awareness now for having lived through it," she says.

Researchers say teens still are having sex, drinking and doing drugs. Just not as much.

For example, the teen birthrate fell 38 percent from 1990 to 2002, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That?s good news. But still, 47 percent of high school students report having had sexual intercourse, down from 54 percent in 1991.

And while illicit drug use is down overall among teens and has been steadily falling since 1996, drugs still are a part of many teenagers? lives. By the time they have left high school, about 50 percent of kids have tried an illicit drug. Among seniors, 39 percent have used an illicit drug in the past 12 months, according to a recent report by Monitoring the Future, a 30-year survey of teenagers and young adults by the University of Michigan.

 

 
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2004, 09:41:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-30 18:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

I'm a program parent and this is awesome news! Could it be that the siblings of the kids in the program, who go to the teen seminars and their parents that are learning to be better parents... or the impact that all the Challenge Days being held all over the country in our junior high schools http://www.challengeday.org/ are making a difference? What about all the teen programs within the different churches? I know it's only a drop in the bucket, but this is what we all want!

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

No, darlin! The whole of the troubled parent industry, even today at its high ebb, only accounts for less than 1% of American families. Just because you dismiss the other 99% as unenlightened and irrelavent doesn't mean they don't exist.

No, look more closely. Radley's article is talking about longerm trends in the entire world (you know, that tiny speck of rudamentary civilization outside US borders? Yeah, those people.)

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No one is sure why teenagers are engaging in less risky behaviors,...


I think the only risky behavior in which teenagers are engaging less frequently is probably believing that the DARE surveys are actually anonymous.

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2004, 09:43:00 PM »
mmm hmm. How to Book A Challenge Day.  :rofl:  :rofl:

You are comic relief.

I'll come back later to rebut, in case you seriously think that a $bling-bling$ enterprise is gonna come in your school and make them all LOVE each other. MMM HMM. Yeah. Teenagers love that stuff for comic relief too!

Oh, and as for the brainwash boot-camps, PROGRAM PARENT, okay, maybe they'll suppress the violence for a year or two. But better WATCH OUT! The severely abused, abandoned child has a way of SNAPPING!

You don't deserve your children. You fucking pawn them off on someone else. You locked them up and left them there. THAT they won't forget.

By the way, you sound totally brainwashed, space-camp, high on lack of oxygen. And I know you can't see it right now, but ask some relative or someone who has known you and your family for a long time.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2004, 09:46:00 PM »
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Challenge Day, a non-profit organization, and its team are committed to stopping teen violence and alienation.
http://www.challengeday.org/


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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2004, 09:48:00 PM »
(My post above was for the "program parent", not Antigen. Looks like we were busy cracking up over it at the same time! :rofl: )
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2004, 09:54:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-30 18:41:00, Antigen wrote:


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No, darlin! The whole of the troubled parent industry, even today at its high ebb, only accounts for less than 1% of American families. Just because you dismiss the other 99% as unenlightened and irrelavent doesn't mean they don't exist.


I just wanted to make sure she saw this.  It really bears repeating.


BTW...a LOT of us were laughing behind our screens reading this.  Thanks for the comic relief!! :wave:
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2004, 10:45:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-30 18:43:00, miseducated wrote:

Oh, and as for the brainwash boot-camps, PROGRAM PARENT, okay, maybe they'll suppress the violence for a year or two. But better WATCH OUT! The severely abused, abandoned child has a way of SNAPPING!


I doubt it. DARE and Peer Counceling never had that promised effect. More likely, they'll just sow seeds of doubt among families, cause more violence and more reporting and get a little recruiting in before they draw media attention, like Narconon did in California, and get shut out.

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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2004, 11:09:00 PM »
With regards to suppression and snapping, I was referring to the boot-camps, the Straights, the long-term thought reform prison-schools.
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2004, 12:35:00 AM »
Hey "darlins" - I never said the change in choices by the kids was ALL due to seminars/workshops, but it's a start.

Glad I had something to do with the laughter...it's the best medicine, you know.
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2004, 03:49:00 AM »
Miseducated,
   Do you believe that every parent that puts their child in a program is mistreating and abandoning them?
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2004, 08:33:00 AM »
That's a really good question, Perrigaud. It is a little hard to answer because "a program" could mean just about anything. But, since we seem, in these forums, to be talking about "programs" in which parents put "troubled teens", and one common denominator is that the kid cannot leave the program on his own will, and another common denominator is that there is a fundamental emphasis on secrecy leading me to suspect, well, that they are not above board and reputable, I will answer with respect to that sort of program. The short answer is yes, I do think that parents who put their kids in programs like that are mistreating and abandoning them.

Try turning the tables. What if all of a sudden kids had the legal right to sign their parents into involuntary treatment for "troubled parents"? I mean, can you imagine, locking up an adult who has been tried for no crime? And then, making them go through some variation on treatment to which he must submit if he hopes to ever get out of there?

Now someone is going to come back and say "but my kid went voluntarily," and to them I would still have to say that you are the grown-up, it is your job to do your homework to understand what is going on in these places. Brainwashing is mental torture. I will go dig up some of the stuff I have been reading on brainwashing, and provide links in a later post.

Thanks for asking!
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