How about some damn ANSWERS.

[Anonymous]

Whoever wrote the racist comment, you are part of the problem. The one that cares

[Anonymous]

Oh please.  The racial was comment was stupid, I agree but it has nothing to do with this conversation.  One idiot making a stupid comment doesn't mean that's part of this particular problem.  Nice try at distraction though. :wave:

[Anonymous]

You are so funny, i'm not distacting you or would i even try. There are some very immature people on this board who need to grow up and still need allot of help. Oh who am i to say someone needs help. Anyone that is racist needs help.they also tried to make it look like i wrote it. The one that cares

[Anonymous]

Nah, trust me.  We recongnize your posts and the majority of us also recongnized that the particular poster was not you.  Again, stupid racist comment has nothing to do with this particular problem no matter how many times you say it does.

[miseducated]

I thought it was excellent of The One That Cares to come down on the racist comment. Ignoring racist comments can seem like acceptance or agreement with them.

I would like to suggest that the Anonymous posters register. It gets confusing sorting out who is whom. You do not become any more or less identifiable as a registered user, you just have a distinct id when you post that differentiates you from all of the other posters. It would make the conversation easier to follow.

[Anonymous]

One that "cares"...

I still didn't get those sources I asked you to cite regarding AA's success rates.  I'd really like to see them.



Anyone else see this "movement" getting a little out of hand?

I did a Google search for the word 'anonymous'.  These came up in the first couple of pages.

?Alcoholics
Overeaters
Gamblers
Sex addicts
Narcotics
Cocaine (isn?t this considered ?narcotic??)
Marijuana
Nicotine
Debtors
Families???
Emotions
Co-dependents
Parents
Recovering Couples
Survivors of Incest
He/She
Food Addicts
Homosexuals
Depressed
Trauma
Recovery
Workaholics
Grandparents
Obsessive Compulsive

I stopped after OC Anon.  There are more.  This seems to be getting a little ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Nihilanthic wrote:
...If anyone kidnaps me I totally plan on showing as much respect as is necessary until I can put a knife in their throat.

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Up until this time I thought he was just an angry young man. Now it's apparent there's something much scarier going on here.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-02 10:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Nihilanthic wrote:

...If anyone kidnaps me I totally plan on showing as much respect as is necessary until I can put a knife in their throat.



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Up until this time I thought he was just an angry young man. Now it's apparent there's something much scarier going on here.  



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So, you're saying that if you were being kidnapped, you would not resist in any way, and just go along with it.

You programmed parents have even lost the ability to protect yourselves. Not surprising-- since you constantly confuse getting hurt and abused with being helped-- but still very sad.

[Anonymous]

I don't know the sucess rate for AA or any of the others, if you want to find out use all the time you have to search for it. I am not a spokesperson for AA. I do know that it has helped millions all over the world. There is nothing brainwashing about getting one self help.AA and all the others are purley voluntary and costs no money. How are they taking advantage of someone? You do want to have to want the help, you can only do it for yourself. I went to meetings a long time ago. I do still drink. So you see i have no care if you feel AA helps or not, but it does make me see how ignorant you are. You could go to a meeting and ask them for the stats.The one that cares

[A name]

You're the one that keeps stating that it's helped so many people.  Where are those stats?

Did you even read any of the site that I sent you to at all?

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-02 10:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-01-02 10:03:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Nihilanthic wrote:


...If anyone kidnaps me I totally plan on showing as much respect as is necessary until I can put a knife in their throat.





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Up until this time I thought he was just an angry young man. Now it's apparent there's something much scarier going on here.  





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So, you're saying that if you were being kidnapped, you would not resist in any way, and just go along with it.



You programmed parents have even lost the ability to protect yourselves. Not surprising-- since you constantly confuse getting hurt and abused with being helped-- but still very sad. "

I think you're confusing "intervention" with an actual kidnapping:  

 Main Entry: kid·nap
: to seize and detain or carry away by unlawful force or fraud and often with a demand for ransom

[Anonymous]

There is someone who understands. I did not respond because it's a bad analogy.
The one that cares

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-02 10:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-01-02 10:06:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-01-02 10:03:00, Anonymous wrote:



"Nihilanthic wrote:



...If anyone kidnaps me I totally plan on showing as much respect as is necessary until I can put a knife in their throat.







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Up until this time I thought he was just an angry young man. Now it's apparent there's something much scarier going on here.  







"

So, you're saying that if you were being kidnapped, you would not resist in any way, and just go along with it.





You programmed parents have even lost the ability to protect yourselves. Not surprising-- since you constantly confuse getting hurt and abused with being helped-- but still very sad. "

I think you're confusing "intervention" with an actual kidnapping:  



 Main Entry: kid·nap

: to seize and detain or carry away by unlawful force or fraud and often with a demand for ransom"

I think you're confusing abuse for treatment. And that definition fits what The One That Kidnaps does perfectly (except for the ransom part-- but you could say that ransom has already been paid, since the parents have hired the kidnappers in the first place).

But that's okay. Ignore the facts, stick to your little delusion that hurting your child actually means helping them, and continue worshipping the Holy Program. The concentration camps are closing down, one by one. The survivors are getting older, and they are better equipped to fight. The entire country, as well as certain areas abroad, are waking up to the reality of the American treatment cults and gulags. People with common sense and the ability to think critically understand what's going on in these places, and are taking action to make a difference.

So stick to your delusions while you can, programmed parent; and kidnap as many kids as you can, The One who Kidnaps. Your time is running out.

[Anonymous]

Look, we can debate AA on a different thread.  Sorry, I know it's a touchy subject on ALL sides.  My point in this is that people like you, i.e. Antigen's grunt analogy, who basically believe you're doing good work are sadly mistaken.  While many of you may have the greatest of intentions, they're not really based in reality.  You can't really force someone to change.  I know, you all jump up and down screaming that you don't force them, you give them the "opportunity" and "tools for change".  Not really.  You take them out of all familiar surroundings, intently (and I mean intently) control every aspect of their lives and force feed all the "love" they can handle.  In order to get someone to abandon their own sense of critical thinking you have to break them down.  Even if these kids aren't necessarily being beaten (although they most certainly are in many, many cases) the damage to the psyche is far reaching and lasting.  Forced confessions (5. Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.) especially in group settings is unbelievably dangerous.  The breaking of someone in order to 'help' them is always dangerous.  Being told day after day after day that if you leave or reject their beliefs you'll DIE is dangerous. (Unless each A.A. member follows to the best of his ability our [Bill Wilson's] suggested [required] Twelve Steps to recovery, he almost certainly signs his own death warrant. Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, William G. Wilson, page 174) That's really not true at all and very often you end up with, yep you guessed it....a self-fulfilling prophecy.  

Have you ever heard in a meeting someone say how grateful they are to be an alcoholic?  I have, many, many times.  The rationale (and I've asked about this many, many times) is that without becoming an alcoholic they wouldn't have found AA and without AA they're lives wouldn't be as 'joyous, happy and free'.  Do you see anything particularly twisted about that??  

Now, I'll leave the AA thing alone unless you'd like to continue it on another thread.  My point was that the psychological damage that is done is horrendous.  These kids are being LIED to.  We're creating an entire generation of ANONYMOUS.  It's gotten out of hand and the teen help industry is a serious symptom of what's wrong with this line of thinking.

[A name]

Ooops. that was me.