Info on WWASPS Paying People Off

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-30 02:41:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"T, you obviously didn't understand what I wrote in response.Misdiagnoses do happen. Sad, but true."

And a serious problem, a problem that calls out for safeguards to prevent it from happening.

Safeguards that the programs appear to be fighting tooth and nail against having implemented.

Teenagers are not eggs to be casually broken if that is what it takes to generate some sort of Machiavellian metaphorical omelette.

The risks individuals intentionally subject themselves to in their pursuit of their own lives are a very different matter from the risks others subject them to against their will, ostensibly "for their own good."

Seriously mentally ill children do not deserve to suffer in the hell built by your misguided, manipulated good intentions.

There need to be safeguards built into a well defined, well implemented, governmental regulatory process overseeing these facilities---safeguards to ensure that individual kids' diagnoses are independently checked and kids with serious mental illnesses are diverted to real mental hospitals to be stabilized and then released.

A person with a serious mental illness who has horrible behavior when unstable is often more than able to participate in his/her own effective outpatient care after he/she has been stabilized on medication.  These children frequently neither need nor deserve the pain and misery and stigma of incarceration in a facility designed to modify the behavior of sane kids who choose to behave in rotten ways (or sane kids who just have a hate-hate relationship with the new stepparent).

Not that most of the *other* kids there need or deserve the mistreatment, either.  But at least the sane kids are better equipped to survive the horrible experience with less permanent damage.

Timoclea

[Antigen]

On 2004-12-30 09:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

There need to be safeguards built into a well defined, well implemented, governmental regulatory process overseeing these facilities---safeguards to ensure that individual kids' diagnoses are independently checked and kids with serious mental illnesses are diverted to real mental hospitals to be stabilized and then released.

Here, as you know, I disagree w/ you. I recognize that the intentions behind it are very good, but the actual outcomes are usually not so good.

Just lately, I've had a lot of contact w/ the medical establishment. From all I've seen and heard and discussed w/ various individuals involved in it, they maintain high standards by way of peer review independent of and far more demanding than government oversight. Visit any inner city hospital that's accredited and more-or-less in compliance w/ government standards then go and visit one, public or private, that has a good reputation. You'll see what I mean.

If anything, these people manage to maintain high standards of service despite, not because of, government oversight. And if we have to go through 10 more of those silly fire drills required for JCAHO accredidation, I think someone's gonna snap out! It won't be me, either. Over my lifetime, I've developed an unusually high tolerance for that kind of bullshit.

I think what we need is a social shift from over-dependence on government institutions back to more reliance on well informed, well educated and stable consumer choice.

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[Antigen]

On 2004-12-29 20:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

Yes, some kids will see what they don't want to be, but more importantly, they will begin to see what they DO want to be. That may have been the beginning of this young man defining his boundaries and getting past judgment to living a different, healthier thinking way.

Of course, since you probably didn't even know this kid existed till you read about him a page or two back, you're just guessing. And, naturally, you're "guessing" that, whatever the actual situation, the Program is, must be, the most positive aspect of it.  :roll: And you wonder why people keep thinking your brainwashed?

But lets talk about the behaviors these kids are learning to emulate. The parent who's posting in these threads points out that Program people lie a lot. And they do. They also use coercion as a first line. They are entirely closed minded to any ideas or views that contradict program dogma. They can be quite hostile and threatening to anyone who they view as an enemy of the Program.

Now, take a look around some of these forums. Rather than "go right to the negative", take a look at what some of the more level, civilized and sensible kids and adults are saying about their experience post graduation.

Generally, all of us --whether we conciously resisted the philosopy or embraced it entheusiastically--have had to work through difficult times adjusting to life in the real world where that kind of behavior is "non-working" behavior. First time I confronted my boss over an honest error on my pay check I got fired so fast it made my head spin. I could have done w/o learning that technique for dealing w/ problems.

But look around. Talk to some of these kids (kids to me, anyway) who are graduates, in college or graduated college, successful by any measure and yet who do not view their experience at WWASP, CEDU or other similar programs as having been helpful. Assume for a moment (entertain the though, you don't have to accept it if it doesn't pan out) that these kids' success in school, work, life in general is more compelling evidence of their not being total fuckups (as they're called frequently) than the 'evidence' that they are critical of the Program.

In other words, take it from people who have been there in the first person and who have no particular reason to favor, or not, the Program.

To say the drug war is a failure is like saying the Hindenburg was short a few fire extinguishers.
http://mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n808/a10.html' target='_new'>Carl Hiassen

[Perrigaud]

T,
  I do agree that certain regulations should be set up so these kids don't go to a place they won't benefit from. However, I don't aggree with the "maltreatment" part. I wasn't mistreated.
I'll admit that I am ignorant to the rules of government inspections. I was always under the impression that any type of job was subject to inspections. Am I wrong?

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-31 00:58:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"T,

  I do agree that certain regulations should be set up so these kids don't go to a place they won't benefit from. However, I don't aggree with the "maltreatment" part. I wasn't mistreated.

I'll admit that I am ignorant to the rules of government inspections. I was always under the impression that any type of job was subject to inspections. Am I wrong?

"

Yes, you are. WWASP and their kind are completely unregulated. That is why they continue doing what they do.

[Perrigaud]

Ok. And isn't there any sort of regulation against unregulated facilities? How can they get around that?

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-31 02:13:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"Ok. And isn't there any sort of regulation against unregulated facilities? How can they get around that? "

By putting on several masks at the same time. WWASP presents its "schools" as: drug rehabilitation programs, rehab programs for juvenile delinquent, a "behavior modification" program, and pretty much any other name that implies that the facility is a treatment center.

But when the state comes along to take a look, the "treatment center" suddenly become a "private boarding school" which offers an "emotional growth curriculum". If it's a private school, there's not much that the state can do. And if the state can actually do something, then, oops, sorry, we're actually a private treatment center.

Not to mention that WWASP is very much in the habit of greasing the palms of government officials. A recent example is the Ivy Ridge investigation, that was called off because some people in NY got some money from good ol' Lichfield.

[Perrigaud]

::eek3:: That I didn't know about. Hmm

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-31 03:36:00, Perrigaud wrote:

" ::eek3:: That I didn't know about. Hmm"

And if you believe that, the Fornits brainwashing is beginning to work on you.

[Anonymous]

Nobody has to take our word for it.  Look it up.  Do you see them advertising themselves as treatment centers or schools???

BTW...if they throw religion into the mix there's even LESS regulation.

[Anonymous]

Anon,  

How convient. Again you miss the point. It is not about my child's boundaries it is about being locked up with a disturbed kid.

I was TOLD in no uncertain terms my child would not be exposed to a kid with such problems. The dog issuse was only a small part of this kid's problems. If I remeber correctly his sister was afraid of this kid too. The mother had shared she had put a alarm on her bedroom door.

during Discovery that weekend,  we were all told by the facilitator Bill D,  Paradise Cove was NOT a WWASP affiliate. Anyone who is familiar with the web of deceit knows they most definately were. I own a Sunset magazine where Paradise Cove is being advertised with the Teen Help facilities.

Why the lies? Why the deceit? What are they ashamed of?

You need to get real. At least be open to the possibility all is not as we were told .

Fraud, deceit, deception.

[Anonymous]

They had nothing to do with High Impact either!
What a pit of lying vipers.

HIGH IMPACT BOOT CAMP
Baja California, Mexico
Dwayne Lee, Admissions Coordinator ?
Parent Resources Hotline
Hurricane, Utah
800-793-5156
[I called their web site number to ask some questions about the Parent Resources Hotline, identifying myself as an educational consultant. The person answering the phone informed me he was only authorized to send a packet of information and did not answer any of my questions. The packet I received included a photocopy of a letter from Dwayne Lee of Parent Resources Hotline, :exclaim:  a Sample Daily Schedule for WWASP Programs, a brochure for High Impact, a Video Tape and a brochure for the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs: Casa by the Sea, Carolina Springs Academy, Cross Creek Academy, Spring Creek Lodge and Tranquility Bay. Apparently Parent Resources Hotline exclusively markets High Impact and WWASP programs.-Lon] :exclaim:

High Impact describes itself as a 28 day+ boot camp for defiant teens ?that is well defined and well structured. This experience is designed to help teens replace destructive attitudes and behaviors with new perspectives and direction in their lives. This is accomplished by focusing on the three R?s of Reality, Respect, and Responsibility.? One of their stated goals ?is to help participants gain an appreciation for home and family by learning to take total and complete responsibility for themselves.? They use a ranch setting ?along with the rigors of an authentic military type schedule?.? The typical schedule presented starts with ?Wakeup? at 6:00 AM, and ?Shutdown? at 8:00 PM, including four hours of ?Marching? and six hours of ?Worksheets.? The remaining time is devoted to Hygiene, Inspection and meals. ?Staff members maintain 24-hour ?round the clock? supervision and interaction with participants. They teach values, acceptable behavioral norms and proper respect for authority?.Our ?gender separated? compound? is designed to create an environment with ?minimal distraction.?

The program describes its short-term program as a ?wake-up? call for the teen, that parents can use to buy some time while deciding whether to enroll their child in their long-term program.  :exclaim: The audiotape sent with the promotional packet consisted of a number of testimonials by parents and ex-students, mostly, however, apparently referring to the long-term WWASP programs rather than High Impact. A price list was included for the various WWASP programs, but none for High Impact.  :exclaim:


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(December 26, 2001)  Lou Kilzer, a staff reporter for the Rocky Mountain News, writes of a girl and other children being pulled from a boot camp program in Mexico called High Impact, and alleges the program had deplorable conditions and is closely associated with Teen Help and the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs (WWASP).   :exclaim: In a statement released on the Strugglingteens.com discussion Board, Ken Kay, President of WWASP asserts High Impact is not owned or marketed by Teen Help, and the ?article was riddled with blatant inaccuracies and falsehoods.?  Lou Kilzer has written several articles in the past critical of WWASP and Teen Help.
 :roll:

For those who don't know; High Impact is were they held the kids in dog runs and threatened them with hot cattle prods into maintaining the position. Marched them in endless circles in sweat suites in the mexican sun. Starved them and beat them. All testified to in federal court.

[Anonymous]

At one time the Casa website actually described High Impact as 'our High Impact facility' (wish I had printed that page).  Later on it went to great lengths to explain that although it took kids from the Casa it was not associated with them in any way.

[Anonymous]

Casa by the Sea and Tranquility Bay were shut down, correct?  I'm confused.

http://www.alternativeschoolsforteens.com/

http://www.difficultteens-tranquilitybay.com/

[Anonymous]

Casa was, TB hasn't been closed ... yet!