14 Year old Dies at THAYER LEARNING CENTER

[Anonymous]

Who the heck is stepcraft? I've never heard of this. Are you talking about Bundy Bitch?Please write back.

[Cayo Hueso]

No, sorry...guess I wasn't logged in for that post.  Stepcraft is the general term used for Therapeutic Communities, AA/NA and the endless list of "Anonymous" groups that use the 12 Steps.  In this case though I was referring to TLC.

Religion is just mind control.
--George Carlin, comedian

[Anonymous]

Thanks for clearing that one up for me.

[Anonymous]

Look, in this case "investigator" probably means cop or DA's office or the family's private dick.  Any of these would be a Good Thing (TM).

So if you're a witness, contact this guy and tell him you're a witness, ask him who he is, and ask for some kind of identification---like where he works or his state license number if he's a licensed PI or have him fax you a copy of his ID or email you a scanned copy of his ID/creds so you know he is who he says he is.

Then tell the nice man all you know so maybe these scumbags can be put away.

Timoclea

[Anonymous]

I would just like to say a little to you before you put your foot into your mouth.  Now I do not like to judge anyone and I know that it is wrong but after reading what you have to say, you have a lot of information wrong.  I wish I could tell you everything that I knew but that would be against my better judgement.  Now I believe that you do not like TLC, that I have figured, but you got it all wrong.  If you could see what these kids do on a daily basis before they come to TLC, you would not feel like you do now.  I read the part that said that you raised your kids to respect their elders and to respect you; however, the kids that are sent to TLC are not taught this.  It is pretty sad what these kids go through, that I am agreeing with but these kids were sent here to be taught respect and consequences; something that their parents could not or would not do, so TLC has to do that for the parents.  Hopefully in the end the teenagers will see that they are loved by the community and their parents and that these kids are our future.  TLC I believe is letting these kids know that there is hope for their futures and they can be whatever they want to be.
Now I do not want you to think that I am trying to change your mind because I am a firm believer that everyone has the right to their own opinion, but please take this as some advice; do not talk about something that you have no clue what is actually happening.  Yes a kid died but have you looked at other Juvenile Bootcamps to see their statistics?  Have you checked the way that other Juvenile Bootcamps run their facilities?  It is better to know everything before you open your mouth.  
Also, if you are so interested in the rights of others, why don't you start with the rights of adult prisoners?  Adult prisoners die every year and you would be suprised how long the medics have to wait until having to get into the cell where the prisoner lays dead!!!
I am not here to change your mind or to beat down on you or to ridicule you on your own opinion, I do not like to see false statements about something that has been made up so that the society can read a hot, juicy, false statement or articule.
I am not singling this statement to just you but to everyone that comes onto this webcite.  I believe what you are doing is fine; you want to protect the rights of others but lets do it the correct way.  I wish you the best in everything that you will come upon and I hope that you will take this statement and right the truth and not make up false testimony so you can get people on your side.
Thank you for reading this and hopefully you will apply this in the near future.

[Nihilanthic]

Wow, Anon, you did it *AGAIN!*

You have us a bunch of meaningless buzzlines and vague generalities that mean absolutely nothing:

You give the usual bullshit about consequences and 'respect', and nothing else. Bullshit!

You give no indication about HOW these consequences and respect are taugtht, for two.

You then don't answer jack shit about why we hate it, that is, abusive methods, and instead only say they act bad beforehand. BTW, even if a kid is bad, outright bullshit abuse is NOT ever acceptable. You dont learn respect or 'consequences' when people abuse you and break laws and get no consequences yourself. All you learn is to hate them, and to avoid punishment. And, how to manipulate and suck up to get out without being hurt anymore.

GOOD lessons, arent they? It doesnt mean a god damned thing either way what the kids did BEFORE TLC, what matters is HOW TLC operates and what they do.  

Hot, juicy, scandalous, unbeliveable, whatever, you have given nothing to rebut what was said about TLC or its methods. You have given NO information about how it DOES work, but instead you use the same tired excuses and defences.

"the accusations are lies" "they are awful kids before they show up" "they have to learn to RESPECT AUTHORITY and CONSEQUENCES" doesnt cut it. Try to show how it ACTUALLY WORKS or get the hell out.

Dont let the door hit your ass.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
--Bruce Lee

[Antigen]

On 2005-01-31 21:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

Adult prisoners die every year and you would be suprised how long the medics have to wait until having to get into the cell where the prisoner lays dead!!!

Yes! This is very, very true. Just check into http://november.org/

But you deserve better! You always did! And us old yuppies? Ya' know, the ones who partied too much in the late `80's while trying to raise you? Well, we fucked up big time! We should have been watching the news and voting habitually like our stodgy old fathers told us to.

But we didn't take their avice. And so we allowed the prison industrial complex to grow out of control on our dime and on our watch.

Some of us are sorry. You kids should never have had to choose between the second most harsh form of punishement our society has in stock and Thayer. It's our mistake, and some of us are doing all we can afford to set it right.

Hunker and watch, jump in when you're confident to do so. But don't worry. We're really OK.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for your input MS. Willa. Do you really think that we're that stupid. Come on lady. I hear your crazy voice in my sleep.When I read this all I heard was your crazy voice. It's like this.When your around somebody enough you get to know the language they use. This letter stinks of Willa. All the kids out there know what I'm talking about. And adults that don't know her, well trust me I'm a master manipulator and I know this shit like the back of my hand. If you are a Willa impersinator BRAVO! You even fooled me and that's not easy to do. At least have the guts to reveal your identity. NO that won't happen because Ms. Willa has no guts.    :wave:
                                      Bye Willa

[Antigen]

Walla.com belongs to the state of MO. But Timoclea gives good avice. Check ID and, if you're so inclined, give them permission to release your contact info. to other complaintants. Or feel free to set up an anon hotmail or some other email address and post it here. If half of this is true, you folks really need to group up, lawyer up and go to war.

for nothing can keep it right but their own vigilant and distrustful superintendence.

--Thomas Jefferson

[Anonymous]

where do i find information on this incident?

[Anonymous]

why don't you stick it where the sun doesn't shine!!! You arrogant asshole!  Were you in TLC?  Did you have a family member who went to TLC?  I did and if you were not there or did not have a relative there you don't have a clue what you are taling about. Go peddle your Bullshit someplace else!!!! All kids aren't bad, or druggies you did not live my life before or after TLC - most of us had a life before TLC now we have nothing except more nightmares.

[Anonymous]

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascit ... 103.htm?1c

reporter email: Steve Rocks at noneof@yerbiz.com
Password: nonono1

Courtesy of http://www.bugmenot.com

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It looks like the paper in Columbia picked up the AP story: http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Nov/20041111News008.asp


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from the other site where I forward Fornits news:

Nobody will do anything until the State investigative report is finished,
Julie. They might be getting a whitewash, but the St. Joe paper and tv
stations don't sound like they are going to let it go.

What would be a good thing to do is for people (I already have) to write to
the St. Joe paper and tv stations and thank them for the coverage, and
encourage them to proceed. The tv station, KQTV Channel 2, is an ABC
affiliate, and if they make enough noise, ABC will pick up the story.
Copying the News Director at ABC News is a good idea.

After the report comes out next week (so they say), it will be another
opportunity to make noise.

This is a horrible example of this problem.
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(still from other site)
I found this in the Kansas City Star's article: Ruth Ehresman, policy director of Citizens for Missouri's Children, a nonprofit child advocacy group based in St. Louis, doesn't like that there are six or more unregulated homes throughout Missouri.

?We require places where animals are kept to be inspected,? she said. ?And yet we're willing to allow children to be placed for 24 hours a day, away from their parents, in a place that doesn't require any oversight.?

It sounds like you have allies...

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Timoclea

[Anonymous]

Oh, and to the Anon others who might know think is probably Ms. Willa:

No teenagers should be dying in bootcamps.  They're young, they're relatively healthy, they're not going to be dying unless they're being abused or neglected.

When I was a kid, telling my momma what the other kids did bad didn't get me out of trouble for what I did, it doesn't work for my child, and it won't work for TLC.

Teenage kids we expect to do wrong.  They've got no experience, no judgement, and loads of hormones.  And they mostly grow out of it.  Society, and parent, hold teenagers accountable at  the stage of development they are---as teenagers.

When adults do wrong, we have to hold them accountable at the stage of development they are---as adults.

Lots of people out there do wrong in the name of good intentions.  They're still doing wrong.  When they're children, we hold them accountable as children.  When they're teens, we hold them accountable as teens.  When they're adults, we hold them accountable as adults.

Adults are held to a higher standard.  And they should be.

These boot camps go out and try to hold teens accountable at *higher* standards than any adult has to live to, and then they don't want to be accountable themselves to the normal standards society holds all adults to.

They think their "good intentions" make them exempt.

Well, they are not exempt.  When they do wrong as adults, we in society will hold them accountable as adults.  They may not like it, but they're going to be held accountable.

When you do wrong, you have to take the consequences.  And doing wrong as an adult has harsher consequences than doing wrong as a teen.

When a teen leaves a wrinkle in a bed at Thayer, look at the consequences Thayer puts on that teen, as a teen, and says that teen is being held accountable.

Now compare that wrinkle in a bed to a teen that's been medically neglected and not gotten care and actually dies.

That's a lot more than a wrinkle in a bed, and that's an adult, not a teen.

Just imagine, just imagine if that adult was set proportional consequences for the dead child for what they gave the kids for a wrinkle in a bed.

There is a dead kid, and now there are going to be some serious consequences, *serious* consequences for those adults responsible.

And there should be.  There should be.

Timoclea

[Anonymous]

When did you get promoted to the postion where you feel you are in a entitled to comment on what goes on at TLC! Were you there? If not! Shut up! You have no rights or authority to comment on what the children are going through in that dungeon! My only hope is that the ones who survive, the ones who have parents who loved them enough to see through the bullshit and lies TLC was telling them, and get them out before any more harm could come to their children, all get together and kick the shit out of the people who caused them this harm.  Waiting for the opportunity to kick the crap out of the Bundy's and their SS troopers should be motivation enough for some of us to hold on till we find them alone someplace, someday.

[Anonymous]

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