SPRING CREEK LODGE - HOW HORRIBLE IT REALLY IS - JUST LIKE O

[Chase08]

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT SPRING CREEK LODGE, OR ANY OTHER W.A.S.P. PROGRAMS ARE PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY HORRIBLE PLACE FOR TROUBLED TEEENS. I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS THERE 9 LONG MONTHS, AND THAT'S A SHORT TIME RELATIVE TO KIDS THAT HAVE STAYED MORE THAN 4 YEARS! THESE PROGRAMS MANIPULATE YOU, AND IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING SENDING YOUR KID THERE PLEASE CONTACT ME AT CDEKKO@HYDE.EDU BEFORE YOU DO FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND I CAN PROVIDE ANY OTHER INFO. *********NOTE: I'VE SEEN THINGS SO GRAPHIC HAPPEN THERE (AND HEARD OF THINGS HAPPENING AT OTHER W.A.S.P. PROGRAMS) THAT ARE PROBABLY TOO EXPLICIT TO POST. TRUST ME, DON'T SEND YOUR KID TO ANY OF THESE PROGRAMS!

[Anonymous]

I feel horrible.. I sent my daughter there two weeks ago and now I am finding out a lot of things over the internet that make me doubt what I have done. If anyone has any information I need to know please email me at dresehand1@aol.com. Thanks

[GregFL]

Post what happened to you, graphic depiction and all, so the mom above can consider giving herself a wake up call and bringing her kid home.

Mom, how will you like it when your kid is posting to some forum 30 years from now, talking about his nightmares and inablility to function in normal society, regretting he has had to keep a horrible secret from his wife, his boss, his children?

Wake up.

[Anonymous]

Thank you so much for being so honest. I had already emailed the individual Chase who posted. I have been on the internet for days researching and what I have found is horrifying. I had no idea.. We were a broken family who reached out for help and of course these scammers came to our "rescue" with all the answers. I knew I had this sick feeling in my stomach for the past few weeks. I've hardly slept. I'm going to get my daughter. she needs me..not abuse..

[Nihilanthic]

THANK YOU!

THANK YOU FOR SAVING YOUR DAUGHTER!

When she gets out, listen to her, tell her you are sorry, BELIEVE EVEYRTHING SHE TELLS YOU.

Tell the story to the people at askquestions.org about the teen help industry. I think its editors@askquestions.org check their thing about the teen help industry. Also, post the story here if you can bare to do so.

Thank you for being a good mom, and not just a program parent!!!

[Anonymous]

Mom waslooking for an excuse to go pick up her daughter.  She could read literally hundreds of positive stories, but she chose to believe the handful of "victim" stories.  Daughter will again be back in control because of mom's guilt and giving her whatever it takes to "forgive" her for doing that to her... :lol:

[Anonymous]

See what we mean by brainwashing?

Or, for that matter, what a 'troll' is.

[Anonymous]

I rescued my own child after a month in an abusive residential program, sometimes you need to trust your God given mother's intuition. I also had a horrible feeling that something was terribly wrong. Those feelings are there for a reason - to protect your offspring from harm.  
I made the right decision. They were messing with her education - preventing her from going to school and isolating her instead (staring at the wall all day long)  8 months later - she has been clean and sober thanks to AA (a FREE program), her AA sponcer, A good family therapist - she has graduated from high school, is working, planning to go to college.  This would not have happenend IF I HAD LEFT HER THERE. It took a lot of my time - but it was worth it.

Don't feel guilty - go and get your daughter out of Spring Creek Lodge - there have been many reports of abuse.

[Deborah]

*** Mom waslooking for an excuse to go pick up her daughter. She could read literally hundreds of positive stories, but she chose to believe the handful of "victim" stories. Daughter will again be back in control because of mom's guilt and giving her whatever it takes to "forgive" her for doing that to her...  :lol:  

Even if your interpretation of this situation were accurate, please explain what you found amusing? I mean, if you truly feel the girl desperately needed 'treatment' the mother was preventing her from getting; why would you find that funny? Or choose to ridicule the mother? Let's face it, you know nothing about this teen or this family's situation.

Even if your interpretation were accurate, please explain what business it is of your's what this mother 'chooses'?

You Waspies are soooo big on 'choices', why can't you 'choose' to accept other parents choices, even if god forbid they were wrong; and lay off the criticism of those who remove their children?
What's the payoff for you?

Your interpretation of parent/child relationships is really whack. Kids are never 'in control', although they might desperately want to be. They are and always will be at the mercy of their parents choices and/or the laws of society. And, one who exhibits destructive, disconnected, distressed behavior is NOT someone who is 'in control'. In fact, quiet the opposite.

You are 'choosing' to be a nosey control freak. Choosing to think you know better than this mother what is in the best interest of HER child. Bad, bad choices!! My goodness, would you be attempting to 'control' this mother by influencing her choice? In effect suggesting she not allow her daughter to control her, but to defer to your control?
I'd go a step further and say that your comment was also designed to influence other parents choices who may be riding the fence, questioning their choice to incarcerate their teen. I mean, no parent wants to feel a 'victim' of their kid, or that they are failures if they choose to remove them.

There are many 'success' stories that don't include having one's teen isolated from the world and BM'd into a passive stupor. Your attitude toward teens and parents should be a big red flag for anyone considering this option.

[Anonymous]

I was not looking for an "excuse" to go get my daughter. I took her there with the intention of letting her stay a year because I was lied and manipulated into believe this would "save" my child. It has been two weeks and I thought I had made the right choice. It was only just the other day when I was checking into their "seminars" to sign up for did all this came out. I came across your forum as well as other people who have told me horror stories and one is from a sick, and I mean, in a health way who was there. She is plagued by nightmares, has developed an eating disorder and a national magazine has published her story. She is struggling hard and has begged me not to do that to my child. I believed this program was to be academically based, not mind control. I dont want someone "breaking her down" so they can reprogram her mind. I loved her mind, just not her choices. I dont want a little mindless robot doing everything I wanted. I like her spunk and who she is. I didnt want to change that. I wanted her to finish school since she was struggling with that. I never wanted this. I see now that all these programs want are money and they have education consultants aka recruiters who stand to gain a lot of money by convincing you that this will your answer and you are saving your child. The only thing I want to save my child from is them...We plan on setting my child up with a great therapist, which is what she needs and they do not offer..I'll do anything to protect my child. Thanks again.. and for the cynic..you are brainwashed..

[cherish wisdom]

You are doing the right thing. I faced a similar situation several months ago.  There are other less drastic measures. We started independent study - which removed her from any negative peer influence. Completely screened all friends and dates. Instituted a strict curfew and had to know exactly where she was and who she was with.  Literrally told those who were a negative influence to stop contacting her.  Therapy and daily AA meetings helped.
I can say this about the abusive program - as I always try to find something postive about a negative experience. She did learn that people who use drugs and alcohol get no respect and no one cares what happens to them - and this was a major reason for HER desire to change.  
Best Wishes to you and your child.[ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2004-07-06 10:56 ]

[Anonymous]

Thanks for all the encouragement. As the other person said, you should listen to your mother's intuition. I have never been lead wrong before, and I think your instinct is to protect your child. When I was feeling that strange vibe at SCL while dropping my daughter off I just tried to dismiss it as a normal parent's anxiety. At that point, I still believed in everything. Once it all came out and I learned about this program, I knew it wasnt just the normal anxiety, my heart was telling me to help her and fast.. I know there are good programs out there but I'm not convinced this was the right choice for me. I say to any parent looking into a "boarding school" do your homework before you take your child..not after.. There is so much out there good and bad on the internet to sort out but at least you'll know you made an informed decision. All I had were "consultants" telling me what an excellent decision I was making to "save" my child and how going into debt, taking out second mortgages etc.. was all worth it.. Easy for them to say, we're paying their bills while we're going bankrupt..No thanks.. Best wishes to all parents seeking the right choice for their child.

[Anonymous]

http://www.wwasprebuttal.com/ -

Pay close attention to Case 1 and Case 2 regarding internet postings.

[Anonymous]

I guess what I am supposed to believe is that all of these people who have come forth are just in fact made up and do not exist. Hmmmmmm

[Anonymous]

If the program is so honest, forthright and justified; Why is it there is no way what-so-ever for any critic to rebut their claims on their site?
Why is it that you must so blindly trust the Program?
Why is it that anyone questioning whats going on in the program gets booted from their BBS?
What is it they are so afraid of?

If they are as bathed in the light of truth as they claim, why must the critics be ejected to the wide open internet to voice their concerns?

Could it be, that in this way, they can claim the critics have no credibility and have agendas; Where-as if they remained on the BBS, or were allowed access to rebut the rebuttal, their obvious credibility and lack of an agenda would be to difficult to refute?

I think so.