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Spots you said...
« on: May 18, 2004, 01:27:00 PM »
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In personal experience, a single mother for 10 years wants desperately to have a normal family life, finally marries, and will turn a blind eye to blatant coercion from her new husband to fix the kid problem...hers, not his. He sits at home (permanently disabled by a bad back) while his new wife rakes in mega-bucks, scans the laptop computer from his Lazy Boy, and...BINGO...finds a beautiful web site with all the answers to his prayers. New step-daughter (whom he physically abuses while mom is at work) is "disappeared" into La-La Land for "behavior modification". Said child finally is allowed home, is sentenced to permanent grounded situation in her room for 4 months. Finally is allowed to join relatives, and lives (somewhat) happily ever after.

Federal law needs to be in place to disallow such "whisking off" of American citizens without due process of any kind.
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and I ask...Spots is that what happened to your granddaughter? If so, are you, on the childs behalf, pressing charges against her step father for the abuse and against her mother for neglect? Sure seems like the parents bare responsibility.
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Spots you said...
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2004, 07:29:00 PM »
SPOTS, ?
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Spots you said...
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2004, 09:51:00 PM »
Spots does the cat have your tongue?
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2004, 07:09:00 PM »
Spots what is the problem?  Is there a reason why you don't want to answer the questions asked of you?  It is important for everyone to know the the whole story, not just the parts you want to tell.

Was your granddaughter abused by her stepdad?  Did your daughter neglect to protect her from that abuse?
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2004, 11:18:00 AM »
What an asinine post.
What kind of self absorbed idiot are You?
It is not at all important that everyone know the whole story; and it is outrageous to suggest it is.
Its none of your fekken business.
How about telling the internet all about your family? How's your kids? Who abused them and have you filed charges against those accountable? Or is it You who'd be charged with abuse if people knew the truth? Is that what keeps you so silent about your kids and their situation? It's important Everyone know All the details; Come on now; Spill it out.
That Spots, or anyone, is willing to tell anything, is to be commended; because its nobody's business but their own; and what ever is shared is meant to inform and help educate; So thank you Spots for speaking out as firmly and openly as you do.
As for you; You Weird Whinning Absurd Stupid Person, Crawl back in your hole.
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2004, 01:59:00 PM »
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So thank you Spots for speaking out as firmly and openly as you do.


But you see, she is not being open.  She is being misleading.  Just like many others.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2004, 04:38:00 PM »
Oh, but you never are, huh?
Misleading, I mean.
Yeah, Right.

So how 'bout some answers from you:

How about telling the internet all about your family? How's your kids? Who abused them and have you filed charges against those accountable? Or is it You who'd be charged with abuse if people knew the truth? Is that what keeps you so silent about your kids and their situation? It's important Everyone know All the details; Come on now; Spill it out.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2004, 06:21:00 PM »
Somebody is mad   :flame:

If my son or daughter neglected one of my grandkids letting their spouse abuse one of them, I most definetly would hold them accountable.  But they have not done so.

So, asking Spots if she is holding her daughter and her spouse accountable for abusing and neglecting her grandchild is not at all out of line. If parents were held accountable, maybe there would be a whole lot less abuse going on in this world.

You just seem to be worried about the fact that she has stated that fact.  You also seem to be worried about the fact that I am asking about it.  Why?
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2004, 06:23:00 PM »
I guess Spots quit talking.  Maybe she just wishes should would not have said what she said.
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2004, 08:23:00 PM »
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On 2004-05-21 15:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I guess Spots quit talking.  Maybe she just wishes should would not have said what she said.  "


Nope.  Just feel absolutely no need to share any of my personal private life with a Bag Lady.  It is absolutely not important to my mission to remove the option of private gulags for teens for you to know anything about the dynamics of my family.  Providing you with the information you brazenly (and obnoxiously) demand is not important, because you are unable to provide benefit to me and my cause if you were to have such information.  As is pretty obvious to the Internet world reading your posts, you are not asking a question.  You are stridently demanding something, not asking a question...more like a spoiled brat stamping her feet as the World continues walking on by.  What would you do with this information?  Get private jollies, vicariously re-live abuse, send me money with which I can pursue a legal battle aginst abusers?  Try watching more soap operas or make a clipping file of Iraqi prisoners naked and humiliated to fulfill yourself.

Besides spending a lot of your time attacking me for unknown reasons, what is your purpose on this forum?  Are you a proponent of behavior modification techniques as currently practiced?  If so, why don't you champion your beliefs?  Somehow I personally have really gotten under your skin, and it pisses you off bigtime.  As said recently, what an assinine poster!  No wonder you hit and run from the shadows.  To sign with a name (even a coded ID) seems to make you uncomfortable.  

There will always be secret vicious haters who simply hate anything and everything around them.  I, however, will continue to voice my experiences in order to throw some more bright light onto the darkness of WWASPS.  Readers may chose which author they most respect.
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2004, 09:27:00 PM »
Wow, that was interesting.  Do you feel better now?

You said I attacked you.  Where?  I was just trying to find out whether or not you were talking about your own daughter and granddaughter.  Thats all, no more, no less.  You are so willing to share your experience and your families experience, just thought you might want to share the whole story.  You know, make sure everyone understands the dynamics of your situation/experience.

I means Spots think about it, if you want to hold Casa responsible for "abuse" she recieved while there, why do you not want to hold her mother and her ex responsible for the abuse she recieved prior to her admission there.  How can you be so ready to hold those accountable who really have no connection with your granddaughter, no sincere love for her accountable and yet not hold the people who are suppose to love her and protect her accountable?

Maybe you could set a precident for other parents who are negligent.
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2004, 09:28:00 PM »
Wow, that was interesting.  Do you feel better now?

You said I attacked you.  Where?  I was just trying to find out whether or not you were talking about your own daughter and granddaughter.  Thats all, no more, no less.  You are so willing to share your experience and your families experience, just thought you might want to share the whole story.  You know, make sure everyone understands the dynamics of your situation/experience.

I means Spots think about it, if you want to hold Casa responsible for "abuse" she recieved while there, why do you not want to hold her mother and her ex responsible for the abuse she recieved prior to her admission there.  How can you be so ready to hold those accountable who really have no connection with your granddaughter, no sincere love for her accountable and yet not hold the people who are suppose to love her and protect her accountable?

Maybe you could set a precident for other parents who are negligent
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2004, 11:56:00 PM »
Anon, I see where you are going here; in terms that it does appear Spots raised an allegation that her grandchild's stepdad was abusive to her and that the mother (Spots daughter) apparently didn't intervene and/or purposely allowed it to happen. Unfortunately, it can be very difficult for "outsiders" (even relatives and close family friends) to challenge the way a child is raised by their parents at home or while they are in a program (see posts by Paige under ALA threads).

What's troubling to me is the fact this child, like so many others, may have been sent to a program as the answer to "bad" or even as alleged by Spots, "abusive" parenting.

Judging by information Spots has shared about her grandchild's experience at this program, it sounds like the child (again like so many others) was clearly NOT thriving in an environment that is anything but geared toward supporting the individualized needs of young people.  How much thought went into the selection process, who knows?  Most of these parents are not as concerned with important features and benefits like *safety and efficacy* as they are *controlling* the attitude and behavior of a child -- at any cost.

Now that she is out of the program and living with her grandparents, it sounds like she is getting a lot of love and is being well-cared for.  Does it matter why she is there instead of with her parents?  I don't think so because as far as I'm concerned, this is really a private, family matter AND it sounds like the child is doing just fine.

Whatever lessons it is you think Bad Parents need to learn should not be at the expense of a minor child's right to privacy.  If a teen who is now an adult wants to sue their parents, that's a different story, and I agree that they have every right to do so, though a compelling case could be made that the parents were only doing what they thought was best.  

The best scenario I can think of is for children not to be institutionalized without due-process.  In other words, parents must not be allowed to lock their kids up in an institutionalized-style school or program without an independent evaluation (meaning someone who does not work for the institution or has a conflict of interest such as an ed con or independent referral agent).

Bad parents are why these programs exist and are full of mostly white, middle-to-upper-class teens.
Making an example out of any of them won't change the need for these programs, which is why activists are pushing for federal regulations mandating children be entitled to the same protection as adults from institutionalization without due-process.  

Getting rid of the ed cons and independent referral agencies is another top priority, along with abolishing the teen escort (transport) business.  Parents who put their kids in programs will have to escort their children themselves, not pay strangers to yank these kids out of their beds and haul them off in the middle of the night to God knows where.
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2004, 01:14:00 AM »
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On 2004-05-21 15:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Somebody is mad   :flame:



If my son or daughter neglected one of my grandkids letting their spouse abuse one of them, I most definetly would hold them accountable.  But they have not done so.



So, asking Spots if she is holding her daughter and her spouse accountable for abusing and neglecting her grandchild is not at all out of line. If parents were held accountable, maybe there would be a whole lot less abuse going on in this world.



You just seem to be worried about the fact that she has stated that fact.  You also seem to be worried about the fact that I am asking about it.  Why? "

I'm not mad or worried, you goofy skank; just disgusted.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2004, 09:32:00 AM »
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Now that she is out of the program and living with her grandparents, it sounds like she is getting a lot of love and is being well-cared for. Does it matter why she is there instead of with her parents? I don't think so because as far as I'm concerned, this is really a private, family matter AND it sounds like the child is doing just fine.


Who said anything about it mattering where she now lives?  The question asked had to do with holding the childs mother and step dad accountable for abuse and neglect.  No one has questioned where the child now lives.

And yes it very well could be a private matter, however Spots has made it a public matter by posting the numerous posts she has posted about her grandchild.  Wanting to clarify that the original post in this thread was truely about her granddaughter is really not at all out of line.  It is a matter of wanting to understand the dynamics of her long standing arguments made on this site.

I suppose if she would have simply answered the question when first asked, everyone reading here would know that she was actually talking about a real situation and not some made up senario.

If parents are held accountable for protecting and for the wellbing of their children and other parents see so, then demand for these types of programs may deminish and when demand deminishes so will the supply.
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