God's Sure Talking Alot ... And Saying Some Weird Stuff

[Deborah]

Proof indeed that there is more than ONE god.
Stop and Watch this:
http://www.bushflash.com/swf/faith.swf

More specifics, literally thousands of articles, at one of my favorite sites- Seperation of Church and state. Here's a few good ones:

http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsA ... _ctrl=1349

http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsA ... _ctrl=1281

http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsA ... _ctrl=1363

http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsA ... _ctrl=1362

Excellent Article
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15814

[Paige]

Holy Smokes!!!!! that is an eye opener.

[Anonymous]

There are many gods, but there is only one true God.  He is the giver of all that is good.  He is the Father.  Jesus Christ is His Son.  All other gods are bogus.  They cannot give eternal life.  If you believe in other gods aside from the one true God, you are living a lie.

[Janet]

Anon, what makes you so sure.  You only have faith as does everyone else.  What makes your faith better than others?  That is why OUR country has separation of Church and State.  You cannot state that any faith different from yours is a lie and make that statement true because you cannot PROVE it

If you really believed in a loving God, you would logically conclude that He doesn't nitpick on what name He is called, on what prayers are said, on how often He is honored and in what way.  Nor would He care if you thought He was a whole pantheon of gods.

[Antigen]

On 2004-04-10 10:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"There are many gods, but there is only one true God.  He is the giver of all that is good.  He is the Father.  Jesus Christ is His Son.  All other gods are bogus.  They cannot give eternal life.  If you believe in other gods aside from the one true God, you are living a lie."

And how do you come to know this? How do you know God doesn't prefer to be called Alla or Budah or The Great Spirit or to never have his name spoken by mere humans, as the Jewish religion dictates?

You can believe it if you want to and direct yourself accordingly. But my God never gave anyone permission to impose your views on anyone by force.

Raise up a child in the way he should go and in his old age he shall not depart from it. In his youth and middle age, all bets are off!

The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism.


--William Osler

[Anonymous]

I never ceases to amaze me at the ingnorance that continues to surface.  Our great nation was founded on Christian beliefs.  The framers of the Constitution of the United States of America were active in their churches.  The phrase "separation of Church and State" is not contained in the constitution.

And, it does make a difference to God how we worship him.  The Bible is very clear on that.  God gives us free will to make our own choices.  You are free to choose to worship who and what you please, but, that does not make it right.  Only worshipping the one true God is right.  You can believe or not believe as you like, but, only God's way and God's word are truth.  If you choose to live apart from God's word, then you choose to live in darkness.  It is obvious from your response that you are in total darkness.  Your eyes are not open to the truth.  As such, you cannot understand the truth God has to offer.  Our Lord and Savior died for you and me.  Tomorrow will mark the anniversary of his resurrection.  He died, even for you, even if you do not see the need for it.  Have a blessed evening.

[Deborah]

::puke::

If there's anything more ignorant than the notion that 'god' is an actual entity, it's that 'god' has a gender.

[Anonymous]

In the hiierarchy of human intelligence, those who follow dogma are near the bottom.  The lack of human intelligence requires that they believe what they have been taught, rather than coming to their own belief system.  At the top are those whose belief system is as unique and individual as the person who holds it.

Sheep have their place in society.  Some very smart people knew that when they wrote the Bible.

[spots]

Has it ever occured to the Proverbs-quoting Anon that the majority of household in the United States of America #1) don't own a bible and can't read the reference you quoted by title, and #2) don't have phrases memorized from that book any more than especially cogent passages from Catcher in the Rye, To Kill a Mockingbird, or Catch-22?

More on-topic for this forum is the notion that folks who quote "chapter and verse" from a book of questionable validity are the same folks who quote from the cult philosophy of the current guru du jour...whatever floats your boat (or makes you righteous and excuses your behavior).  

From one of Fornits' random quotes, which is printed and taped to my computer:

"Tough Love:  Abuse of a type particularly enjoyable to the abuser, in that it embines the pleasures of sadism with those of self-righteousness."

[Anonymous]

Actually Spots, the majority of homes have several Bibles. This doesn't mean anyone in the house ever reads them, but for the majority, they are there.
I'd also suggest, if you question the validity, you read it first and do a little actual research.
You are assuming wrongly.
The validity of the Bible is astonishing; and the accuracy of events proven precise over and over by increasingly effective and studious archeology.
However, your point isn't with out merit. Most people here are never going to bother to look up scripture; and it wouldn't mean anything to them if they did.

[Timoclea]

On 2004-04-13 08:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Actually Spots, the majority of homes have several Bibles. This doesn't mean anyone in the house ever reads them, but for the majority, they are there.

I'd also suggest, if you question the validity, you read it first and do a little actual research.

You are assuming wrongly.

The validity of the Bible is astonishing; and the accuracy of events proven precise over and over by increasingly effective and studious archeology.

However, your point isn't with out merit. Most people here are never going to bother to look up scripture; and it wouldn't mean anything to them if they did."

I used to be a Christian.  Then I got pious enough to actually read the *whole* Bible, including all the icky bits in the Old Testament that are never quoted in church, and decided that only two mutually exclusive possibilities for truth existed  *IF* the Old Testament was ever true.

1) The God described therein was neither Good nor Loving and was about as moral as Cthulhu.

OR

2) The God described therein *was* "Good" and "Loving" but *only* because the definition of those two words was formed by the circular logic of "whatever God does is Good and Loving, no matter what the action is, because God has the authority to define 'Good' and 'Loving'."

I quit being a Christian because I was unwilling to worship a God, even if said God existed, who was as bad as Cthulhu OR who was "Good" only by virtue of redefining the term out of all normal and ordinary meaning.

However---for the Christians who hold that the Bible is *NOT* 100% literal truth but just has a great deal of wisdom about life if you apply that wisdom with common sense, and who hold that their God trusts us to apply our common sense, well--I'm not a Christian, but I get along just fine with *that* variety of Christian.

Funnily enough, usually after discussion of right and wrong and morals, they usually get along pretty well with me as well, and express the belief that even if their God doesn't find my religious beliefs perfectly accurate, he "would understand."

Anybody who believes that God decreed some of the terrible things the Old Testament says he decreed is a whacko, and quite possibly a dangerous whacko, because they've demonstrated a truly depraved ability to rationalize evil in the name of religion.  

Either that, or they're taking the OT sight unseen and have never sat down and read the whole thing.

It's our goddamn duty to get these people back on drugs so they can think for themselves again!!!
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=4728&forum=7&start=20#40163' target='_new'>RTP2003

[Anonymous]

- Whom Do Men Say That I Am? -
 
Mark 8:27 NKJV: Now Jesus and His disciples went out to the towns
of Caesarea Philippi; and on the road He asked His disciples,
saying to them, "Who do men say that I am?"
 
It was a fair question. After all, by now they had seen Him feed
5,000 men with just five loaves and two fish, had witnessed
multiple healings and the casting out of demons, had seen Him
walking on water and giving sight to blind men, not to mention
had heard teaching that boggled the minds of even the religious
leaders. It was obvious that Jesus was not your run-of-the-mill
itinerant preacher. Yet, for all His wisdom and miraculous power,
there emanated an overriding humility that the people could not
relate to God. Therefore, the answer to His question was not as
easy as it might have seemed.
 
Though the crowds would surely have expected the Messiah to
display the miraculous signs and wonders that Jesus performed,
they would not have expected Him to be born to a lowly carpenter,
have brothers and sisters, and be so meek and humble. His
wisdom was divine, but His gentleness and lowliness were not.
At least not for the Jehovah they had been told about countless
times - the God who shook the mountains with His thunderous
voice, or the God who swallowed up Korah and the other 250,000
Israelites in one quick earthquake because of their rebellion
against Moses.
 
It was definitely an appropriate question and one that has been,
and will be, echoed throughout time until the end of the age. And
it still requires one to rectify his or her own conception of God
with this unique prophet from Galilee who was able to defy all
physical laws, yet submitted to every spiritual requirement of His
own making. The question probes the paradox of the Creator
encapsulated in the creation, the Justice of God offered as the
Lamb of God, Divinity taking on humanity to make a way in
eternity for all who had been separated to be reunited with the
Lover of their souls.
 
The question contains a lesson for us - we must never let God's
gentleness, kindness, and goodness diminish His royalty and right
to be worshiped and obeyed as the King of Kings and Lord of
Lords.

[GregFL]

To the "Anon" religious spamer, you are an idiot sir/mam. Anyone, religious or not, who has the ignorance to claim the bible is archeological accurate is an ass, or as suggested by the poster above, a dangerous whacko.

Go take a hike with your  ::spam:: . Those of us who have read the bible and had the whatsoever to question what we read don't need your juvenile preaching and quoting.

Do something constructive, go build an arc...it looks like rain.

[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-04-13 17:25 ]

[Anonymous]

If God is such hot stuff, how come he doesn't want you to have any gods before him?

--Gene Simmons

[Antigen]

Agreed, Greg. Anon (from the Westinghouse Planned Community), this is close to getting out of hand. As you note, Bibles are available everywhere. Anyone who wants to read the Bible can do so. Please quit flooding these forums w/ pages and pages of stuff that nobody wants to read. If you want to start a Bible study forum, then please do so. I bet Craig would be happy to add it to his phpBB, it only takes a minute.

I didn't intend for this to take on a political tone, I'm just here for the drugs.
--First Lady, Nancy Reagan at a Just Say No rally