facts on ALA

[Paige]

Anon writes:You are correct, however, that things should be solved without dragging the kids through it. Unfortunately, the other woman, not the girl's mom, has choosen to post personal family information, as well as the girl's name, all over the web. This alone indicates that the woman is not thinking of the girl, but rather of herself.


Paige writes: What you do not know is that the children where being dragged through it long before I got involved. The parents systematically removed the girl from the rest of the family including Grandparents and Aunts and Uncles at the same time that they were removing her from being able to see or have contact with her brother. the fact that the two children were adopted by different people was an issue in the beginning but does not change the fact that ehy are brother and sister.We all made an agreement in front of the judge that we would abide by his statements that they would always be able to be in touch with each other. Unfortunately the parents have chosen to go a different road against all of the family not just me and I did not get involved until She was sequestered from everyone in the family and the family started calling me to help them with this. So you can pick on me all you want too it makes no difference to me. Bottom line is that her brother still has not heard from her and still cannot communicate with her due to the parents and again I will say how Christian of them and how selfish of them that they cannot see the damage they are doing to a 14 year old boy who has lost his sister due to their actions. Is this supposed to be a punishement to her and to him? what purpose does this serve? Has it occured to you that she does deserve to be able to speak and communicate with her brother regardless of where she is? Do they not have any compassion for this child or is it strictly for themselves and their own selfishness. It also weems that they are behaving a bit childish on this.

The biggest mistake we all made was believeing the parents and not having the agreement written in a decree with a court order. But then again WE ALL believed them and trusted them only to be dismayed by their behaviour.

By the way I asked for a compromise that her brother would be able to communicate with her and I would not. That he could visit her but I  would not since they do not want her in touch with me. There has been no response at all. Again how Christian of them. Oh yes - it isn't just me who cannot communicate with her. it is the grandparents the great grandmother, her brother, the Aunts and Uncles and many others. Why is that? Sounds to me like ISOLATION. what do you call it?

[Anonymous]

what do you call it?


Up to her parents.
For now, for whatever reason, this is how it is.

[Anonymous]

HER PARENTS MUST BE MONSTERS
WHAT ARE THEY HIDING :flame:

[Anonymous]

Everyone has an opinon prior to a child going into a program.  They all say "you've gotta do something, and have all kinds of advice.  Once you DO something, they are all over you for doing it.  I suspect her parents are doing what they feel is best.  If it turns out it's not, then they are free to make another choice.  They are the parents, they have the right to make this choice until the girl is 18.  Legally, the girl can leave and do whatever she wants.  You can either spend your energy on something that isn't going to happen prior to that, or wait and see what she decides to do, and be with, once she of legal age.  It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-18 16:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Everyone has an opinon prior to a child going into a program.  They all say "you've gotta do something, and have all kinds of advice.  Once you DO something, they are all over you for doing it.  I suspect her parents are doing what they feel is best.  If it turns out it's not, then they are free to make another choice.  They are the parents, they have the right to make this choice until the girl is 18.  Legally, the girl can leave and do whatever she wants.  You can either spend your energy on something that isn't going to happen prior to that, or wait and see what she decides to do, and be with, once she of legal age.  It is what it is.  "

Anon, surely you are aware that just like troubled teens, there are troubled adults? Second, just because a parent has the right to make decisions in the best interests of their child, doesn't mean their child needed to be sent away or that sending them away was the "right" choice.  That is a matter of opinion and one that should be determined by an independent adolescent behavior healthcare specialist, not someone who works (or volunteers) for a program, or one of these dime-a-dozen ed cons and/or independent referral agents who make a living recommending programs for so-called troubled teens.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-18 08:17:00, Paige wrote:

"Bottom line is that her brother still has not heard from her and still cannot communicate with her due to the parents .






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To refresh the memories of one and all, you yourself posted on a discussion thread that arrangements had been made for the brother to contact the sister through the grandparents.  

Which is it?  Were arrangements made or not?  A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will not go free.  Proverbs 19:5

Do you really think favor will be gained with anyone involved in the situation by continuing to bad mouth the parents?  Like it or not, they are her parents.  What has gone on here is nothing short of slander.  He who guards his lips guards his life, but he who speaks rashly will come to ruin - Proverbs 13:3.  

As far as the comment on the Christianity of the parents, only God almighty has the ability and the right to judge them. All a man's ways seem right to him, but the Lord weighs the heart.  To do what is right and just is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.  Proverbs 21:2,3.

I really can't decide which is worse, the blantant attempts to interfere with the parental choices (how did the meeting go with the attorney?) or the ungodly support that has been shown to you.  He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm.  Proverbs 13:20.

[Anonymous]

Could you please come up with an intelligent response instead of throwing bible verses at us? :roll:

[Paige]

Anon writes:
To refresh the memories of one and all, you yourself posted on a discussion thread that arrangements had been made for the brother to contact the sister through the grandparents.

Paige writes:
The arrangement was made and we have sent emails with no response and no knowledge of the girl actually receiving them. They have not fulfilled their word.

[Paige]

Anon writes:All a man's ways seem right to him, but the Lord weighs the heart. To do what is right and just is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice. Proverbs 21:2,3.

Paige Writes;

I am doing what is right sorry if oyu don't like it.

[Anonymous]

Don't worry Paige......the God Squad always thinks that it knows what God's will is.  Who's to say you're NOT doing God's will?  Maybe this is God's way of helping out this girl......by sending Angel Paige. :grin:

[Paige]

On 2004-04-19 06:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Don't worry Paige......the God Squad always thinks that it knows what God's will is.  Who's to say you're NOT doing God's will?  Maybe this is God's way of helping out this girl......by sending Angel Paige. :grin: "

Thank you. My faith in God, my love for these two children, and the support of the family are what keeps me going. Thank you for your support it helps and I appreciate it.

[Antigen]

On 2004-04-19 03:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

As far as the comment on the Christianity of the parents, only God almighty has the ability and the right to judge them.

Not too long ago, someone made the argument that it's OK for the parents to trick and/or force these kids into the Program and to keep them incommunicado because "these are Christian kids" who have just lost their way (or something to that effect).

I rarely get into the nitty-gritty debates on issues of religious dogma because there's usually no end to it. Everyone usually believes that their argument is right from the Bible and, therefore, inviolate.

But when I was a kid attending Christian school and Bible study, this was a frequent point of discussion. The above sentiment is prety much the way I learned it. No one but God, including the parents, has the right or ability to judge whether or not these kids are Christian. That is a sacred, private issue that can only exist between the individual and God. The parents' belief that the kids are Christian does not justify force or fraud against them.

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[Anonymous]

I am reading through this site and find it very strange. Those of you who question ALA's integrity, have you been involved with them? Just wondering? Has ALA done something to you personally that is bad? Have you any evidence that ALA has harmed any of the young people that have been involved in the program? I need to know because I am considering ALA for my child.

[Antigen]

Well, just look through the posts here. They give very, very little information. Talk w/ Paige. She'll probably answer a PM if you send one. Look over the student manual and run it past a qualified professional who deals w/ adolescants.

I ask questions, I rarely get a straight answer. Don't know why the ALA people take offense at the questions. I have yet to ask Craig if he's still beating his wife (so to speak) I just want to know whether or not they take kids against their will. Karen and Craig alternately tell me "no, of course not!" or "Well, some kids NEED to be held against their will."

In case you missed it, here's a thread Craig started:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... orum=9&264

There's another one or two under the names "Words of Wisdom" and "Word of Wisdom"

But, if you're still considering placing your kid w/ these people AFTER reading over some of the school director's rants, none of this probably matters to you.
 

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[Anonymous]

TO PAIGE.   NOT A REGULAR READER BUT WHY CAN NO ONE TALK TO OR VISIT THE CHILDREN ? WILL THEY TELL THE FACTS ABOUT ALA OR THEIR PARENTS.WHY DOES THE US EMBASY NOT CHECK THIS OUT ?