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« Reply #210 on: June 11, 2005, 11:37:00 AM »
Girl - (1) the reason I do not use your name, is you are still a minor.  It was not appropriate for your name to be used to start with.  Just because someone else chose to throw your name out in the open, does not mean others have to do the same.

(2) Your parents have not used profanity as described by you in response to the insurance issue.  
Since you are almost 18 and a legal (though not emmotional) adult, this will no longer matter.

Your parents love you very much, in spite of how hateful you have been to them.  Just as the Lord loves us, even though we don't appreciate all He has done for us.

The Soap Opera only began as a result of the direct actions of someone who claims to have your best interest at heart.  Had that person not aired the "dirty laundry", there would be no soap opera, so give credit where credit is due.

When your parents placed you in Mexico, I am sure they acted upon what they felt was in your best interest and the best information they had available to them at the time.

In your eyes, and the eyes of the other hateful people, they made a mistake in a choice concerning your upbringing.  News flash:  There is not a parent, other than God the Father, who has not made a mistake in raising their children.  Life is all about making mistakes and hopefully learning from the mistakes of others so you don't have to make them  yourself.

The question is, since you obviously feel they made a mistake, are you mature enough to forgive them, or will you carry and nurture a grudge?  Your response and your heart will show the depth (or lack thereof) of your maturity.  You want to be an adult, well then start acting like one.  It is not hard to tell from your postings, you are very very immature.  You have been playing with fire and you will get burned if you don't make some serious changes in your life style and the choices you make.

I truly feel sorry for you.  You are a very angry young woman.  You have the world ahead of you.  You are bright.  You could be or do anything you want, but instead of choosing to live a positive life, you are bitter and hateful.  You can blame it on your parents all you want, but when it all comes down to it, and you are standing one on one with the Lord to give an accounting of your life, He is not going to listen to you make excuses and blame them.  

You want out of life what everyone wants, to love and to be loved.  But you will not find what you are looking for, as long as you look in the wrong places.  Until your life is right with the Lord, your life will not work.  You were raised to know the truth, whether you like it or not, you know the truth.  

God is not mocked.  He is not fooled.  You have fooled many people through this forum.  It doesn't matter.  The only one that matters is Him.
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« Reply #211 on: June 11, 2005, 02:40:00 PM »
Wow! You get all that out of ...

"Thanks for the good words!

Im doing good.

  Talk to you guys soon,

   Amanda

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Amazing! You must be psychic or have some very special gift!  :rofl:

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« Reply #212 on: June 11, 2005, 04:00:00 PM »
Or a psycho religious freak.
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« Reply #213 on: June 12, 2005, 12:56:00 AM »
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On 2005-06-11 08:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Girl - (1) the reason I do not use your name, is you are still a minor.  It was not appropriate for your name to be used to start with.  Just because someone else chose to throw your name out in the open, does not mean others have to do the same.



(2) Your parents have not used profanity as described by you in response to the insurance issue.  

Since you are almost 18 and a legal (though not emmotional) adult, this will no longer matter.



Your parents love you very much, in spite of how hateful you have been to them.  Just as the Lord loves us, even though we don't appreciate all He has done for us.



The Soap Opera only began as a result of the direct actions of someone who claims to have your best interest at heart.  Had that person not aired the "dirty laundry", there would be no soap opera, so give credit where credit is due.



When your parents placed you in Mexico, I am sure they acted upon what they felt was in your best interest and the best information they had available to them at the time.



In your eyes, and the eyes of the other hateful people, they made a mistake in a choice concerning your upbringing.  News flash:  There is not a parent, other than God the Father, who has not made a mistake in raising their children.  Life is all about making mistakes and hopefully learning from the mistakes of others so you don't have to make them  yourself.



The question is, since you obviously feel they made a mistake, are you mature enough to forgive them, or will you carry and nurture a grudge?  Your response and your heart will show the depth (or lack thereof) of your maturity.  You want to be an adult, well then start acting like one.  It is not hard to tell from your postings, you are very very immature.  You have been playing with fire and you will get burned if you don't make some serious changes in your life style and the choices you make.



I truly feel sorry for you.  You are a very angry young woman.  You have the world ahead of you.  You are bright.  You could be or do anything you want, but instead of choosing to live a positive life, you are bitter and hateful.  You can blame it on your parents all you want, but when it all comes down to it, and you are standing one on one with the Lord to give an accounting of your life, He is not going to listen to you make excuses and blame them.  



You want out of life what everyone wants, to love and to be loved.  But you will not find what you are looking for, as long as you look in the wrong places.  Until your life is right with the Lord, your life will not work.  You were raised to know the truth, whether you like it or not, you know the truth.  



God is not mocked.  He is not fooled.  You have fooled many people through this forum.  It doesn't matter.  The only one that matters is Him."


Oh Please ... quit preaching to the choir ... the universe is unfolding as it should.  Let the children be heard ... God is listening.

JMHO

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« Reply #214 on: June 12, 2005, 01:15:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-11 08:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Girl - (1) the reason I do not use your name, is you are still a minor.  It was not appropriate for your name to be used to start with.  Just because someone else chose to throw your name out in the open, does not mean others have to do the same.




You're a fucking moron.  Amanda *is* 18.  She is no longer a minor, and the people who adopted her no longer have any legal control over her.

She turned 18 early this year.

She's a legal adult, get over your personal issues with your own life, whatever they are, that you're projecting on to her and leave Amanda alone.

Free Clue--People do not stay the same age, they get older.  We've been talking about all this for a long time and in that time Amanda reached her majority.

Which you should have asked about, instead of just ASSuming.

I don't know what your major childhood damage is, but go fix your own life.

If you truly want to get biblical:

"Remove the log from your own eye before you seek to remove the mote from your brother's eye."

This young woman's life is no longer anyone else's business but her own.

Jesus would be appalled at you.

What you're doing is basically saying:

(Luke 9:11-12)

11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

   12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

You ARE the Pharisee in the parable of the Pharisee and the publican.

What would Jesus do?

Jesus would have simply said, "You're grown now.  Go and sin no more."

That's *it*---he wouldn't have kept harranguing her, he would have just left it to her to follow the advice or not, and he would have only given it once.

The *only* specific people Jesus harangued in his entire life were, "Scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites."

That's you, in case you missed it.

Other than that, he preached against sins, not specific people.

But you've been told this before.

You refuse to do what Jesus would have done, you refuse to follow the precepts of your own religion.  

Why should Amanda listen to you, when you're so blatantly a hypocrite?

I'm not a Christian---my family is, which is why I know your book (Better than you, apparently--or, at least, I know following the spirit of Jesus for what you do is more important than searching through all the versus until you find a couple that say you can get away with being cruel and hateful *instead* of Christlike).

You look in your religion for excuses to tell you it's "right" to be as hateful as you want to be, in the darkness of your own heart.

But you *know* what Jesus would do---and it isn't what you are doing.

You have, unwittingly, demonstrated my biggest problem with Christianity.  It's too easy to abuse the religion by cherry-picking verses so that you can draw the inference that it's not only *okay* to be hateful to people, but is what you *must* do to be a Good Christian.

Your holy book is too long---and it gives people driven by malice and spite and self-righteousness in their deepest hearts too much wiggle-room to say they're really only being *true* to their religion when they're hateful to others, and that God *expects* it of them.

But Jesus didn't follow the Samarian woman around haranguing her for her ongoing behavior after he moved on.  He didn't send his followers to go follow her around and harrangue her and either check up on her or just *assume* that she was behaving wickedly.

He told her *once* what he disapproved of---which you've already done over and over ad nauseum---and he didn't read her a catalogue of *all* the sins in her life.  He told her to go and sin no more.  And then he left her alone.

That's what *you* could do if you weren't getting such personal satisfaction off of being hateful to Amanda.

If God didn't think Jesus was sinning to say it *once* and leave it, he wouldn't find it sinful in *you* either.

You are hateful to Amanda because you *LIKE* being hateful.  You wouldn't do it if you weren't getting a charge out of it--because your religion *clearly* doesn't require it, and Jesus disapproves of being hateful to people.

It wasn't hateful to say it *once*.

Harping on it *is* hateful.  And it's not what Jesus would do.

*YOU* repent.

And I'm telling *you* this more than once for the very same reason Jesus told the Pharisees more than once---because what they were doing to others in using their supposed piety to beat on others was a more serious sin, being more harmful to others, than the Samarian woman's.

Get the log out of your own eye, Lady.

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« Reply #215 on: June 12, 2005, 01:42:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-12 10:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-06-11 08:37:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Girl - (1) the reason I do not use your name, is you are still a minor.  It was not appropriate for your name to be used to start with.  Just because someone else chose to throw your name out in the open, does not mean others have to do the same.







You're a fucking moron.  Amanda *is* 18.  She is no longer a minor, and the people who adopted her no longer have any legal control over her.



She turned 18 early this year.



She's a legal adult, get over your personal issues with your own life, whatever they are, that you're projecting on to her and leave Amanda alone.



Free Clue--People do not stay the same age, they get older.  We've been talking about all this for a long time and in that time Amanda reached her majority.



Which you should have asked about, instead of just ASSuming.



I don't know what your major childhood damage is, but go fix your own life.



If you truly want to get biblical:



"Remove the log from your own eye before you seek to remove the mote from your brother's eye."



This young woman's life is no longer anyone else's business but her own.



Jesus would be appalled at you.



What you're doing is basically saying:



(Luke 9:11-12)



11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.



   12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.



You ARE the Pharisee in the parable of the Pharisee and the publican.



What would Jesus do?



Jesus would have simply said, "You're grown now.  Go and sin no more."



That's *it*---he wouldn't have kept harranguing her, he would have just left it to her to follow the advice or not, and he would have only given it once.



The *only* specific people Jesus harangued in his entire life were, "Scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites."



That's you, in case you missed it.



Other than that, he preached against sins, not specific people.



But you've been told this before.



You refuse to do what Jesus would have done, you refuse to follow the precepts of your own religion.  



Why should Amanda listen to you, when you're so blatantly a hypocrite?



I'm not a Christian---my family is, which is why I know your book (Better than you, apparently--or, at least, I know following the spirit of Jesus for what you do is more important than searching through all the versus until you find a couple that say you can get away with being cruel and hateful *instead* of Christlike).



You look in your religion for excuses to tell you it's "right" to be as hateful as you want to be, in the darkness of your own heart.



But you *know* what Jesus would do---and it isn't what you are doing.



You have, unwittingly, demonstrated my biggest problem with Christianity.  It's too easy to abuse the religion by cherry-picking verses so that you can draw the inference that it's not only *okay* to be hateful to people, but is what you *must* do to be a Good Christian.



Your holy book is too long---and it gives people driven by malice and spite and self-righteousness in their deepest hearts too much wiggle-room to say they're really only being *true* to their religion when they're hateful to others, and that God *expects* it of them.



But Jesus didn't follow the Samarian woman around haranguing her for her ongoing behavior after he moved on.  He didn't send his followers to go follow her around and harrangue her and either check up on her or just *assume* that she was behaving wickedly.



He told her *once* what he disapproved of---which you've already done over and over ad nauseum---and he didn't read her a catalogue of *all* the sins in her life.  He told her to go and sin no more.  And then he left her alone.



That's what *you* could do if you weren't getting such personal satisfaction off of being hateful to Amanda.



If God didn't think Jesus was sinning to say it *once* and leave it, he wouldn't find it sinful in *you* either.



You are hateful to Amanda because you *LIKE* being hateful.  You wouldn't do it if you weren't getting a charge out of it--because your religion *clearly* doesn't require it, and Jesus disapproves of being hateful to people.



It wasn't hateful to say it *once*.



Harping on it *is* hateful.  And it's not what Jesus would do.



*YOU* repent.



And I'm telling *you* this more than once for the very same reason Jesus told the Pharisees more than once---because what they were doing to others in using their supposed piety to beat on others was a more serious sin, being more harmful to others, than the Samarian woman's.



Get the log out of your own eye, Lady.



Timoclea"


Wow, that was an awesome post.  

Well said!

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« Reply #216 on: June 12, 2005, 08:52:00 PM »
Amanda is NOT 18, but will be soon.
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« Reply #217 on: June 12, 2005, 09:28:00 PM »
In Tehas, 17 is the default age of imancipation for most purposes. Go Tehas!!!

That which does not kill you can make you stronger, but I really never needed to be this strong.



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« Reply #218 on: June 13, 2005, 09:36:00 AM »
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"Amanda is NOT 18, but will be soon."


Well, last I heard she *is* 18, and I don't know you from Jack.

Regardless, there comes a point at which harping on another woman's life is unconscionable and just hateful, because one's gotten long past the time for shutting up.

Anyone still harping on Amanda's life is past that point, long since.

I can walk up to a woman at a party and say, "Oh, I love your dress, it's so *slimming*!" in the sweetest voice you please, and it's still being hateful as hell.

I can say, "Oh, Judy can't stick to a diet to save her life, bless her heart, the poor thing's gained 10 pounds, looks like." And it's hateful gossip---I just covered it in saccharine.

There comes a point in talking about another woman's life when the only thing polite and non-hateful to do is to finally shut up about it.

Y'all are way past that point.  Way past.

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« Reply #219 on: June 15, 2005, 09:50:00 PM »
How middle schoolish to think that everyone has to share your beliefs.  Based on your lack of education, as demonstrated by the constant use of profanities, you were most likely the school yard bully.

The girl will not be 18 for several weeks.  

News flash:  I am as entitled to my opinion of the girl and the situation as you are to your's.

You have a deffinate anger issue.  There are professionals out there that can help you with that.

Is this how you deal with your children?  When they say something that differs from your opinion, you lash out and swear at them?   Based on the anger outbursts you have displayed, hitting is probably not far behind, if behind at all.

Real mature.  

At least the girl has somewhat of an excuse.  She is only 17.  What is the excuse for the rest of you?
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« Reply #220 on: June 16, 2005, 12:42:00 AM »
Children! Now I ask ya' Can't ya' just feel the love of the Lord...

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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« Reply #221 on: June 16, 2005, 02:16:00 PM »
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"How middle schoolish to think that everyone has to share your beliefs.  Based on your lack of education, as demonstrated by the constant use of profanities, you were most likely the school yard bully.



The girl will not be 18 for several weeks.  



News flash:  I am as entitled to my opinion of the girl and the situation as you are to your's.



You have a deffinate anger issue.  There are professionals out there that can help you with that.



Is this how you deal with your children?  When they say something that differs from your opinion, you lash out and swear at them?   Based on the anger outbursts you have displayed, hitting is probably not far behind, if behind at all.



Real mature.  



At least the girl has somewhat of an excuse.  She is only 17.  What is the excuse for the rest of you?"


Actually, I was the schoolyard victim.  And like a lot of them, I was usually pretty nice to other people.

I'm a professional writer, with a bachelor's degree from a top ten post-secondary institution (in its category, as rated by US News).

I don't use profanity towards my child, or others' children, because they're children.  I use it towards *you* because you are an obnoxious idiot.

Anger issues?  Yes, I get angry at obnoxious idiots like you.  So I tell you off.  And then I don't have to feel angry anymore.  That's *healthy* anger.  If you don't know the difference between healthy anger and pathological anger, then you're the one who needs help.  I've *got* help---I've got a doctor's report to *prove* I'm stable and functional.  How 'bout you?

No, I don't hit my child, or anyone.  Well, except in referreed sparring matches at my dojo.  And I have a great reputation for keeping my cool in the ring.  We tend to use grounding from television, on the rare occasions we have to discipline beyond a stern look or a good talking-to.

Your willingness to jump to outrageous conclusions about me, just like your willingness to jump to outrageous conclusions about Amanda, is a *lovely* feature of your sweet personality.

The only excuse I need is that you are obnoxious.

And you shouldn't be patting yourself on the back over your own supposed maturity.  Didn't your mother ever teach you that if you don't have something nice to say about somebody you shouldn't say anything?

Everybody here is entirely ready to leave *you* alone if you would just leave Amanda alone---but you for some reason think you have to keep coming back and being nasty to or about her.

That makes it okay to make you an exception to the "if you don't have anything nice to say" rule and tell you off.

You're bullying Amanda, even though you don't see it.  The rest of us are just standing up to you.

No, you *don't* have the right to come on here and bully Amanda.  You have the ability to do it, because Ginger doesn't censor people, but that doesn't make it right.

It's not wrong for you to *privately* have your own opinion of her, but coming on here and stating it over and over again is *not* something you "have the right" to do.  It's just plain wrong.

I'm not swearing at you and telling you off for having a different opinion from me about Amanda.  I'm telling you off for having a nasty opinion of someone and not just saying it once and dropping it (or keeping it to yourself), but instead bringing it up over and over and over again every time she posts to let us know she's doing alright.

I'm telling you off for "throwing the first punch" in being rude, obnoxious, and nasty over and over and over again.

I'm telling you off because you deserve it, and if nobody makes it just as painful for *you* as you make it for Amanda, you've demonstrated that you just won't quit.

You avoiding "dirty words" doesn't make up for your being a nasty person.

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« Reply #222 on: June 16, 2005, 02:34:00 PM »
Tell you what.  You obviously think very little of me.

So why don't you start following *me* around on Fornits and saying nasty things to or about *me* and leave Amanda alone.

I invite you to.  I'm 38, I've got a middle-aged mom's level of experience in this world, and I can handle you just fine.

I absolutely promise not to try to find out who you are or take it beyond words.  Strictly verbal exchange, just on Fornits.

I'm somebody who, verbally, is "your own size."

Then again, that's exactly why you *won't* transfer your need to say nasty things about someone to me, even though you probably think even less of me than you do of Amanda.

Because I am "your own size."

Animal rights fanatics don't throw paint on leather-clad bikers because it's safer to harass rich women in furs.  In that, they're just like you.

So you're not just nasty, you're a coward, too.

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« Reply #223 on: June 16, 2005, 04:41:00 PM »
BRAVO! :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
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« Reply #224 on: June 17, 2005, 08:17:00 AM »
I agree with Tim.  This needs to stop, but those of us who know Amanda and know her parents know the truth of how this soap opera got started and how it continued.  Continuing this thread does nothing but rub salt in the wounds of the parents as well.  It is my hope that they have quit reading this thread all together.  They are good decent people that have always opened their home to anyone who wanted help.  Amanda chose to leave.  She has made her choice.  Let everyone heal.  You talk about Amanda's pain and want to discount the parents, okay, but there are other children that were harmed by Amanda's choices.  They are still trying to resolve that pain.  They too, truly love Amanda.  The family's friends should rally around the family and Amanda's supporters should encourage her.  Just let the sides separate and heal.  Basically...drop it.  Tim. with all the love you and Ginger have for the girl....have you ever tried to bring her into your home and truly provide for her love and the other neccessiities of life?  Until you have, or have watched that in action...you really don't know the whole story.  Amanda's parents have never rejected anyone or closed the door in anyone's face that was seeking help.  They never did that to Amanda.  Amanda left.  Let her leave and let the family heal.
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