facts on ALA

[Anonymous]

Neither one of you appear to be able to read and comprehend a simple question, yet Paige has repeatedly bashed the girl's parents for the girl not getting an education.  Let me type real slow so you can get it:  What did your attorney tell you about your efforts to get the girl?

Also, as far as the name calling and the lack of intelligence as demonstrated by the profanities, it is apparent that you have some deep rooted anger and emmotional problems.

[Anonymous]

What did your attorney tell you about your efforts to get the girl?

Here is your answer you Dumv ASS Simpleton.

I was advised that she would probably be home before it ever got into the court system.

Now let me paraphrase for you.  Paige's attorney advised (this is what her attorney told her) that she (the child) would probably be home (out of ALA) before it (her case, Paige's case against the placement of the child in ALA, if she were to file one) ever got into the court system.

If you still don't get it Craigonian, you probably never will.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-07-14 03:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Neither one of you appear to be able to read and comprehend a simple question, yet Paige has repeatedly bashed the girl's parents for the girl not getting an education.  Let me type real slow so you can get it:  What did your attorney tell you about your efforts to get the girl?



Also, as far as the name calling and the lack of intelligence as demonstrated by the profanities, it is apparent that you have some deep rooted anger and emmotional problems."

I don't know if you've ever known a kid who was committed for truly trivial reasons or not, but when I knew one, I found out that it's very common that even when there's a fairly good case for another family member to pursue custody, it takes so long for the legal process to work that in many cases even if the kid were in the equivalent of Bergen Belsen or Ravensbruck it would take more than six months to a year to get the custody case through the court process.

I'm *not* saying any particular school is anywhere near that bad, I'm just saying that even in the absolute worst case imaginable, the legal system moves slowly.

And, of course, custody fights are expensive.

So it can come down to a choice of do you spend tens of thousands of dollars so that the kid only goes through six months of trauma instead of seven, and still come out with PTSD (presuming for the sake of argument your fears are justified), or do you wait that extra month and spend the same money on the kid's after-care therapy and college?

In most cases, it's more cost effective in caring for the kid to spend the money on after-care rather than a custody battle.

My point is that even in cases where a custody suit has 100% legal merit, the best interests of the child may be to spend the same amount of money  a custody case would cost in fixing the damage to the child afterwards.

Which is sad.

I'm not jumping to conclusions about whether a particular case has merit or not, I'm just saying that just that the fact that a legal action wasn't pursued doesn't tell us anything about whether it has merit or not.

Timoclea

[Anonymous]

from what i have read it wasn't pursued due to the lack of money, not the lack of heart or want, but simply the lack of money.

[Anonymous]

I am a mother of a 16 year old boy in Ajicjic Mexico, at ALA. I know without a doubt that Craig Rogers is a spirit-filled Christian pastor, who is driven by the Holy Ghost to help kids. It is a hard road, and I admire his devotion to it. My son is coming home tomorrow. He has been there for 8 months. He was on a path of death and destruction. It had little to do with parenting. Kids from ALL types of homes do terrible things to themselves and others. My son was drinking, smoking pot and cigarettes, and skipping. He was also into crime, I didn't know about it. The day before his intervention, he told me later on the phone from Mexico, that the day before he left, he had a gun held to his head. He was 15! See what I mean? I haven't been down there, but my ex-husband has, and he is a pastor himself. And having good discernment as a gift of the Holy Spirit, he told me that the place was awesome. My son will always have as a point of refernce in his heart, that he can go to God. He has had the opportunity to learn who God is. It is something that God says a child will never depart from when he is
old. So, I say to you, why don't you go down there yourself if you're worried. It's always a hard thing to do something so drastic to another persons' life, especially a child of your own.It was the hardest day of my life, but I knew it was right, I'd been praying about it for 3 months. I am so happy that he went, it saved him. Tell me if you'd like what you are upset about. By the way, they did move twice, but it was on account of acquiring property, and moving them in to more suitable living conditions.(space, etc.)

[Troubled Turd]

garshdarnit I been tellin yew peeps t' send them kids t' ME cuz NOBODY knows how t' git kids strate like me! NOBODY!!! Yew dumb sunsabitches keep fukkin' around w/  this Mr. Rogers fella n' I'm about sick of it!!! I got a fine shack down in VA and I'll WHIP 'em!! I'll whip their fukkin' little asses RED until those dumb mutherfukkers git STRATE!!!!  :flame:

Send 'em to me! T' hell w/ this Craig guy. He's a phony bastard w/ alla his book larned bullshit! Send 'em to me, DAMMIT!!! Yew bunch o' cairds!!!

turd@wizdumb.net

[spots]

On 2004-07-14 13:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
 I know without a doubt that Craig Rogers is a spirit-filled Christian pastor, who is driven by the Holy Ghost to help kids...  

My son was drinking, smoking pot and cigarettes, and skipping. He was also into crime, I didn't know about it...

I haven't been down there, but my ex-husband has, and he is a pastor himself. And having good discernment as a gift of the Holy Spirit, he told me that the place was awesome."

I cannot argue with, nor dissuade, this mother from her conviction, because that conviction is based 100% of a belief in blind faith (which I do not share).  However, some points may be impressive to other readers more gifted with critical thinking and analytical skills.

-Mr. Rogers appears to be no more capable of loving persuasion than anyone else, and many would consider his methods and "gifts" of The Holy Ghost to be more like The Holy Terror.

-This boy was removed from his home for a pivotal year of his life for smoking cigarettes, skipping class, some unnamed "criminal" behavior that never even made it to the noticeable stage from his parents nor the judicial community in his hometown. These actions are called "growing up" where I come from, not crimes worthy of prison or banishment from his family.

-The conclusion that ALA is an "awesome place" is from a pastor who, in spite of his alleged Holy Spirit of discernment, was unable to stay married to his wife, keep his son within the family unit, work with the Chrisitan ethic himself to teach the child about God's love.  What on earth does he tell his congregation regarding his dismal failure to even secure his own family as a unit, mentor his son with his own values in a home environment, instill the love of God in this boy so that he doesn't have to be shipped off for someone else to do it?  

-And the mother says all these "shortcomings"
>>had little to do with parenting.<<  Gimme a break!  Parents are the example by which their children learn how to live as an adult in society.  To any young woman who may want to marry this kid in a few years, look to the father to see how the son will behave.  This kid has learned that God's Love can quickly be pulled like a velvet curtain around fear, isolation, abandonment, and despair...for this is the way this boy has "learned" how to treat his own children of the future.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-07-14 04:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

Now let me paraphrase for you.  Paige's attorney advised (this is what her attorney told her) that she (the child) would probably be home (out of ALA) before it (her case, Paige's case against the placement of the child in ALA, if she were to file one) ever got into the court system.

You obviously do not understand the question.  The question is not about the girl being out, the question is, what did the attorney tell Paige - was Paige told she had a good case, or was Paige told to drop it because she did not have a case?

This is not rocket science.  Either the attorney said she had a case or told her she did not have a case.  

Name calling is demonstrative of lack of intelligence.  It would also appear, you have an anger problem.  Profanity is also a sign of lack of intelligence.  Maybe that is why the question is not being answered.  You are not able to comprehend a simple question.

So, again, did the attorney say (A)  You have a good case  or (B)  you do not have a good case.

Also, were any other family members present when the attorney was met with  (A)  Yes   (B)  No

If so, what did the family members say?
(A)  We agree with you for your trying to interfere or (B)  We do not agree with you.

These are very simple, concise questions.  Profanities, name calling, and deflecting the issue  does not answer the questions.  It does, however, lead one to believe that there is something to hide.  Paige had no problem airing her dirty laundry on the web when she thought she was going to get what she wanted.  Now, by the very fact that a straight answer to the questions is being avoided, any person of reasonable intelligence would be able to conclude that the attorney told her she did not have a case.  

Also, is she now denying the name she has been plastering over the web is indeed the name of the girl?  It would appear we are dealing an honesty issue, an integrity issue, and an anger problem.

Paige, you have stated in other postings that you are a Christian.  Then you are aware of the Biblical admonition to go to your brother in private if there is an offense.  If that doesn't work, then you are admonished to take a witness.  If that doesn't work, then you take it to the church.  This venue you have chosen (Fornits) is out of line with the Biblical admonition of how to deal with those in the body of Christ who have offended you.  You are very obviously offended by the choices the parents have made with the girl.  However, bad mouthing them to the unsaved via the internet is not the way to handle it.  Is your Pastor aware of what you have been doing, how you have been bearing false witness where your brothers and sisters in Christ are concerned?

[Anonymous]

So, again, did the attorney say (A) You have a good case or (B) you do not have a good case.

Also, were any other family members present when the attorney was met with (A) Yes (B) No

If so, what did the family members say?
(A) We agree with you for your trying to interfere or (B) We do not agree with you.

The attorney answered with (C)none of the above.  The attorney told her:

attorney advised that she would probably be home before it ever got into the court system.

(C) is the final answer.

[Anonymous]

There was not (C) choice.  And, since you were not there, you really do not know.  Paige is the only one who can answer this.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-07-13 15:31:00, Paige wrote:

"Apparently you are not knowlegeable in this area. There are no grounds for filing any types of suits, slander or otherwise. Thank you for your opinion. There are sufficient grounds for a person to file for custody of "AMANDA" However it takes money, alot of money that I do not have so that is the end of that story. Also I was advised that she would probably be home before it ever got into the court system. A sad statement on our society. Also if you have such opinions in matters that do not concern you, you have the right as anyone to post them. Until you come on with a name though I will disregard anything you have to say. Again thank you for your opinion. By the way  how do you know that Amanda is her real name. You don't. And I do pray for her parents as well as for the "GIRL" and for all of those who love her and have been robbed of her wonderful presence. You are out of line and the bible has alot to say about people like them and like you, go look in the mirror."

2004-04-10 19:53:00  
Ginger, thank you so very much for your help and your input. I would like to thank all of you for information and opinions that you have contributed and I would like to thank Butcher and Turd for not being offensive. I appreciate it. I will be signing off. We have received some very valid and helpful information. The family will be meeting in the next few days and will be proceeding with our plans to file a custody suit and other suits that I will not name on this site because I am sure that Karen is telling the parents.
(No offense Karen)The filing date will be at a future date at the advice of our attorney.
Ginger, thanks for offering the verification it may come in handy. Keep up the good work and best wishes to all of you. I will let you all now the outcome. Of course court battles can be somewhat lengthy but I will log back on when the results are in.

Posted: 2004-04-10 10:31:00  
But again thank you for your concern and by the way. If I was going to abandon Amanda why would I be consulting with attorneys and getting ready to take this into a court room. I am committed to this family and to this child and I am not going away though I believe that once the law suit is filed there will be no more conversing on this site.



Well Paige, these are cuts from two previous postings you have done.  

"...proceeding with our plans to file a custody suit and other suits..."

"...I believe that once the law suit is filed..."

These are your own words.  You posted about law suits (more than one), and now you say "Apparently you are not knowlegeable in this area. There are no grounds for filing any types of suits, slander or otherwise."

Apparently, you are the one who does not know of what she speaks.

It is obvious you did think you had grounds, or else you would not have posted that you were seeing an attorney to do just that.  Again, this flip flop only serves to confirm the logical conclusion that your attorney told you that you did not have a case.

Also, to help you save money and aggrivation, there is no grounds for custody dispute.  Not today, not tomorrow.  There never has been and there never will be.  Even if there was, what makes you think that the girl would ever want to have anything to do with you, after she reads for herself how you have bad mouthed her family and plastered her name on the web?

[Anonymous]

Hey knit wit, read the posts. I believe it says that there are no grounds for her to be sued for slander. There was for the custody case but it would cost alot of money that she didn't have and the kid would probably be home before it got in the courtroom. You just showed how stupid you are.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-07-14 16:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hey knit wit, read the posts. I believe it says that there are no grounds for her to be sued for slander. There was for the custody case but it would cost alot of money that she didn't have and the kid would probably be home before it got in the courtroom. You just showed how stupid you are."

I have read them.  They say that people who call names are demonstrating a lack of intelligence.  The more you call names, the less intelligent you prove you are.  

Are you getting help for your anger problem?

[Paige]

Dear Anonymous,

You seem awfully interested, almost tooo interested in this situation. In fact it almost appears that you are very emotionally involved in this and are very close to the players. HMMMM!! Gee, I wonder who that could be?

You know you have stated that I am throwing a tantrum because I didn't get my way. It almost appears to me that you are the one in the throws of a tantrum. You are every emotional about this and vey venemous about this. Interesting for someone who is not involved.

Apparently I am really upsetting you. Sorry.
You seem to be much more upset about things than I am. Hope you have a good evening oh and by the way, read the posts again, you got everything wrong as usual.

[spots]

On 2004-07-14 15:30:00, Anonymous wrote:


Also, to help you save money and aggrivation, there is no grounds for custody dispute.  Not today, not tomorrow.  There never has been and there never will be.  Even if there was, what makes you think that the girl would ever want to have anything to do with you, after she reads for herself how you have bad mouthed her family and plastered her name on the web?

"

OK, can't stand it anymore.  Gotta reply.

Been there, done that.  We tried to gain custody of our grandaughter, in strikingly similar circumstances as Paige and family is facing.  Attorneys gave us the same advice/answer as they did Paige. Also, same advice as several people have capsulized in trying to get through to this thick Anonymous' head.  

CUSTODY MAY BE GRANTED TO RELATIVE.  STOP. THERE **ARE** GROUNDS FOR LEGAL CUSTODY BEING PLACED WITH RELATIVES OTHER THAN PARENTS.  PRECENDENCE OF ABUSIVE ATMOSPHERE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. STOP.  CUSTODY FIGHT WILL BE EXPENSIVE. WE WERE ADVISED TO SET UP A $25,000 INITIAL FUND TO GET A GUARDIAN AD LITEM APPOINTED BY THE COURT TO REPRESENT CHILD, EVEN BEFORE CASE IS ACCEPTED.  EVENTUAL COSTS WERE ESTIMATED TO BE IN EXCESS OF $125,000. RELATIVE IN FAMOUS TRANQUILITY BAY COURT CASE LOST HER HOUSE PAYING FOR THE COURT COSTS.  STOP. COURT BATTLE WILL TAKE LOOOTTTSSS OF TIME...LIKE A YEAR+, MORE TIME THAN THIS CHILD MAY BE IN ALA.  STOP. IT CAN BE DONE.  WHETHER IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS UP TO THE PLAINTIFF, AND NOT UP TO ANY ANONYMOUS POSTER ON AN INTERNET FORUM.  STOP.  

As to whether this child (whose name may or may not be Amanda...who cares?) will forever hate the relative trying to wrest her from a world of hurt and hate, I can speak from our experience and say that she will never hate you.  You love her, and you are showing it by your distress for her.  What you say about her parents is a tiny ripple in a large pool of misery her parents are largely responsible for.  She is separated from her brother, her aunts, her friends, her teachers, her community, her world, because of her parents.  If you are trying to reconnect her with this world, she will not hate you.  Only a small mind would give all credit/rights to the biology of a non-loving, non-involved parent over a relative who loves this girl.

Trust me, she will come home eventually, and when she learns of your efforts and anguish, she will not hate you.  She will forever wish for a more loving parent and probably forever distrust her biological parents, but she will not hate you.  Been there, done that.