my understanding is that Miller and Ruth Ann are definetly affeliated with a church. I also believe that the members of the group who live near him [Kristi and the Mosses] are active in the church. He also still has his fingers on the pluse of all his followers who get advise from him about everything. You know, we aren't talking about kids who are fragile because they haven't been straight for long.....we are talking about adults 30's and 40's, who have been "straight" for as long as 15 or more years. I really can't understand the whole thing. I know that everyone will say " cult", but it still makes me wonder. Please, anyone who can do something to stop Newton, do so, before he becomes old and feeble, and it won't matter any more. :wave: