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[Marina]

I agree 100%.

[The Butcher]

I agree 420%.  :lol:

[Pete]

I agree too.  If Imclone and Pfizer competed over cannabis production, a quality, reasonably safe product would be available and the underworld would be crushed.

But it needs to happen over time to eliminate the street trade.  That's why one should start with marijuana and move on.

[SyN]

It is definetly the longest prohibition in the U.S.  Maybe if we had tommy guns and fedoras we could work it out better.
SyN

[Antigen]

On 2004-03-15 13:46:00, Peter Moore wrote:

"I agree too.  If Imclone and Pfizer competed over cannabis production, a quality, reasonably safe product would be available and the underworld would be crushed.



But it needs to happen over time to eliminate the street trade.  That's why one should start with marijuana and move on.



"

I don't follow your reasoning. Why would it take time to eliminate the street trade? When Alcohol prohibition ended, the bars opened and the bootleggers were out of business overnight. It was a real problem for the distributors, especially, who then had to unionize in order to compete for work in a licit market. That's where the Teamsters originally came from.

And I can't see Imclone or Pfizer (or even GW and Eli Lilly) competing to grow cannabis. It's just too easy to grow and it's not patentable. There would be no more profit in legal cannabis than there is in tomatos. Now, cannabis preparations are another story. GW has already completed very successful patient testing on a sublingual spray made from whole herb estract for treatment of MS and/or Epilepsy (I'd have to look it up, it's been awhile since the news broke)

There's profit in that, but not like Prozac where the compounds are patented and licensed. More like the profit in Bayer Asprin. Sure, you could strip some bark from a willow tree, boil it down and drink the decoction. But that's a lot of trouble and you'd never know exactly what dose you were getting or if it were contaminated w/ compounds other than the asprin you want.

There is not a "fragment" in all nature, for every relative fragment of one thing is a full harmonious unit in itself.
-- John Muir

[Anonymous]

Hey Sheik, until its legalized why don't your dumb ass friends find some legal work to feed their families then they won't have to worry about the FEDS raiding them and taking their kids. To put your family in that type of unsafe situation is foolish and selfish.

[Antigen]

On 2004-03-15 15:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hey Sheik, until its legalized why don't your dumb ass friends find some legal work to feed their families then they won't have to worry about the FEDS raiding them and taking their kids. To put your family in that type of unsafe situation is foolish and selfish."

Holy sheep shit, Batman!  :eek:

Did you just try amd play the Sheik on the "you did the necessary things" scam? Why not just throw his ass on the floor and have about 5 guys sit on him for a few hours. Then he'll surely come around to your way of thinking.

To what notion of this country do you consider yourself a patriot? John Ashcroft's and John Poindexter's?
A vote for Büsh is a vote for America's Führer!
Heil Büsh!

[I think we need a Nazi gremlin]

Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.

--Mark Twain

[Marina]

Why do I get the feeling that as soon as the conversation is actually getting productive, there must be  some freak making offensive comments? Please, let's ignore the jabs and get back to the subject. You guys were making rather interesting points and I want to hear them.

Peace!

[Marina]

Right on, Mrs. Antigen! :nworthy:

[ This Message was edited by: Marina on 2004-03-15 18:47 ]

[Marina]

Thanks yo! I just corrected it.

[Antigen]

Hell, just don't call me late for dinner. :wave:

Freedom has a thousand charms to show, That slaves, howe'er contented, never know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1840300051/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> William Cowper, a British Christian poet & hymn writer (18th century)

[Marina]

::noway::  OK, I'm embarrased now. Sorry about that, Ginger.

[Antigen]

Huh? How come?

Since you [US "drug tsar" McCaffrey] control a federal budget that has just been increased from $17.8 billion last year to $19.2 billion this year, is asking people like you if we should continue with our nation's current drug policy like a person asking a barber if one needs a haircut? --
                                                              Orange Country, California
                                                                  Los Angeles Times
                                                                    29 March 2000
--Judge James P. Gray

[Pete]

Ginger,

Re. ImClone/Pfizer question: More of a brainstorm than anything.  I guess they wouldn't make much more than the occasional derivative -- and maybe not even that.  The company more likely to manufacture cannabis is probably located somewhere near Lynchburg, Tennessee.

But re. anything stronger than marijuana being immediately legalized.  Unlike alcohol, bad batches are rampant.  The street shit is all over.  We need to sit back and study these things first.  Think of the backlashes.  I'm not saying there may not be benefits to legalizing cocaine, heroin, etc.  But it might not be all good either.  I don't pretend to have all the answers.

[Antigen]

On 2004-03-16 09:06:00, Peter Moore wrote:


 We need to sit back and study these things first.  Think of the backlashes.  I'm not saying there may not be benefits to legalizing cocaine, heroin, etc.  But it might not be all good either.  I don't pretend to have all the answers.

First, real kudos to you for having the sack to breach these difficult questions. As a local public office holder, that really does show some courage.  :nworthy:

But re. anything stronger than marijuana being immediately legalized.  Unlike alcohol, bad batches are rampant.  The street shit is all over.

Sure, now! But when alcohol was illegal, bathtub gin was a real problem. People routinely went blind or even died from drinking hooch boosted w/ wood alcohol or just accidentally contaminated in the manufacturing process. That problem was solved when we reopened the market to legal manufactore and trade.

Same thing is going on with opiates and stimulants. No one ever gets a "bad" batch of Oxy or Addaral. Only the black market stuff hits the retail purchaser w/o proper dose and content labeling or contaminated w/ foreign matter.

Now, I'm not saying that opiates and stimulants, or even benzodiazepines and other drugs are as safe as marijuana. They're not. But I am saying that prohibition of them does nothing to make them either safer or less availaible. In fact, it goes a long way toward making them less safe and more available to those we most don't want to have them; children.

Your beer distributor will not sell beer to your child. The dope dealer will. In fact, it's less risky that way cause kids can't be prosecuted like adults so the law has less leverage to get information out of them.

There is no drug so dangerous that it can't be made more so through prohibition.

Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind...it doesn't matter!
--  Chuck Gauran