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« Reply #105 on: March 03, 2004, 12:42:00 AM »
alternate childrens poem.


God is god
god not bad
don't believe
others sad

we are right
you are wrong
doubt is sin
burn all days long

Stop your brain
it is bad
believe instead
ancient fad

god hides
you can't find
you dont see
god myth unkind

god myth plays games
society makes you play
you don't bite
inject some fright

look and learn
read and explore
expand your mind
speak from the floor

fuck the system
fuck tradition
open your eyes
stop the lies

superstition will halt
knowledge will grow
religion has fault
learn and grow

mankind must change
shed its lies
move forward
open its eyes

as we move forward
anchors from the past
drag us down
knowledge drown

speak your mind
advance mankind
reject supernatural
embrace factual
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« Reply #106 on: March 03, 2004, 01:06:00 AM »
Posted: 2004-03-02 22:05:00  
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 'Biblical' locust plague threatens Mideast
Ahead of Passover, U.N. agency warns of potential devastation

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Posted: March 2, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

With the Passover celebration just weeks away, a locust plague of biblical proportions could threaten parts of the Middle East and Africa, according to a United Nations agency.

An outbreak that potentially could darken the sky and consume everything in its path is "in progress on the Red Sea coast in Saudi Arabia where swarms are forming," the Rome-based U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization said.

Despite intensive control operations, swarms are expected to move into the country's interior where a further generation of breeding could occur in the spring. Some could reach areas in Jordan, southern Iraq and Western Iran later in the spring, the agency said, according to the JTA news service.

The U.N. agency is appealing for $9 million to stave off outbreaks in desert parts of northern and western Africa, including Mali, Chad and Mauritania.

"If control operations have to slow down or be interrupted, more locusts added to those already there could contribute to eventually transforming the current situation into a plague," the organization warned.

According to the book of Exodus, a locust outbreak was one of the 10 plagues inflicted on the Egyptians prior to Israel's flight from captivity, commemorated by Jews and many Christians in the Passover celebration.

"The Bible and talmudic literature describe the plague of locusts as one of the worst visitations to come upon the country," the Encyclopedia Judaica says. "Its gravity and extent varies from time to time."

Another plague of locusts in the Bible was recounted by the prophet Joel, who said they made the fig tree "clean bare; the branches thereof are made white," JTA notes.

The U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization says the desert locust, a form of grasshopper, can quickly multiply into massive swarms capable of moving hundreds or even thousands of miles.

"When the locusts find ideal conditions in a sequence of seasonal breeding areas, upsurges can develop and lead to rapid multiplication and increasingly large swarms," said the U.N. organization, which has a special Locust Group to coordinate operations against any threat.

"If an upsurge is not controlled, a plague can occur in which swarms invade countries outside the traditional breeding areas," the agency said, according to JTA. "Crop damage by swarms can be devastating."
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« Reply #107 on: March 03, 2004, 01:10:00 AM »
And this plague proves what?  That the bible is true?
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« Reply #108 on: March 03, 2004, 05:50:00 AM »
Greg took the time to search this thread, find the questions we asked that went unanswered and, I thought, put together a very intelligent post.  He, and others of us, are asking some relevant, thought provoking, honest questions and this is the best you come up with??  OK, so there's a huge plague of locusts coming, this is supposed to mean...............what???????  Please provide me with some proof that this is somehow related to God.

Greg has asked some direct questions that I would like to hear some direct answers to.
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« Reply #109 on: March 03, 2004, 05:51:00 AM »
It's WAY too early and I'm WAY too tired.  The above was me. :smokin:

I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure.

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« Reply #110 on: March 03, 2004, 06:45:00 AM »
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On 2004-03-02 12:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I'm not a bible scholar or a religious zealot, but I think the "flood" is a myth/tradition that is in lot of different religions, some in fact many older than christianity.   Same thing with the scape goat thing of Jesus.   I think I remember this stuff from religion classes in my college days."


College professors and educators are PAID to teach evolution rather than creation, to discredit the Bible as non-scientific.  But that's just not true.  If we grant that a great flood could have happened, why have scientists found no trace of it? Perhaps they have, but they interpret the evidence some other way. For example, orthodox science teaches that the surface of the earth has been shaped in many places by powerful glaciers during a series of ice ages. But apparent evidence of glacial activity can sometimes be the result of water action. Very likely, then, some of the evidence for the Flood is being misread as evidence of an ice age.



Similar mistakes have been made. Concerning the time when scientists were developing their theory of ice ages, we read: ?They were finding ice ages at every stage of the geologic history, in keeping with the philosophy of uniformity. Careful reexamination of the evidence in recent years, however, has rejected many of these ice ages; formations once identified as glacial moraines have been reinterpreted as beds laid down by mudflows, submarine landslides and turbidity currents: avalanches of turbid water that carry silt, sand and gravel out over the deep-ocean floor.?  (Quotes from Compton's Encyclopedia)

Another evidence for the Flood appears to exist in the fossil record. At one time, according to this record, great saber-toothed tigers stalked their prey in Europe, horses larger than any now living roamed North America, and mammoths foraged in Siberia. Then, all around the world, species of mammals became extinct. At the same time, there was a sudden change of climate. Tens of thousands of mammoths were killed and quick-frozen in Siberia. Alfred Wallace, the well-known contemporary of Charles Darwin, considered that such a widespread destruction must have been caused by some exceptional worldwide event. Many have argued that this event was the Flood.

An editorial in the magazine Biblical Archaeologist observed: ?It is important to remember that the story of a great flood is one of the most widespread traditions in human culture . . . Nevertheless behind the oldest traditions found in Near Eastern sources, there may well be an actual flood of gigantic proportions dating from one of the pluvial periods . . . many thousands of years ago.?20 The pluvial periods were times when the surface of the earth was much wetter than now. Freshwater lakes around the world were much larger. It is theorized that the wetness was caused by heavy rains associated with the end of the ice ages. But some have suggested that on one occasion the extreme wetness of the earth?s surface was a result of the Flood
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« Reply #111 on: March 03, 2004, 06:53:00 AM »
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On 2004-03-02 15:06:00, GregFL wrote:

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Post your evidence that the flood happened, that the world was covered completely by water and two of every species was on one boat, and that all life is descendent from same. Better still, post your evidence that the flood of noah is an original biblical story and not lifted almost verbatim from a different, earlier religion.
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I know this is lengthy, but you asked for proof of the flood.  I have copied and pasted the research for you so that I don't miss anything.

The Flood of Noah?s day was such a devastating cataclysm that mankind could never forget it. Over 2,400 years later, Jesus Christ spoke of it as a fact of history. (Matthew 24:37-39) This awesome event left such an indelible impression on the human race that it has become legendary all over the world.

In the book Myths of Creation, Philip Freund estimates that over 500 Flood legends are told by more than 250 tribes and peoples. As might be expected, with the passing of many centuries, these legends have been greatly embellished with imaginary events and characters. In all of them, however, some basic similarities can be found.

As people migrated from Mesopotamia after the Flood, they carried accounts of the catastrophe to all parts of the earth. Thus, inhabitants of Asia, the islands of the South Pacific, North America, Central America, and South America have tales of this impressive event. The many Flood legends existed long before these people were exposed to the Bible. Yet, the legends have some basic points in common with the Biblical account of the Deluge.

Some legends mention violent giants living on the earth before the Flood. Comparably, the Bible indicates that before the Deluge disobedient angels materialized fleshly bodies, cohabited with women, and produced a race of giants called Nephilim.?Genesis 6:1-4; 2 Peter 2:4, 5.

Flood legends usually indicate that one man was warned about a coming deluge of divine origin. According to the Bible, God warned Noah that He would destroy wicked and violent ones. God told Noah: ?The end of all flesh has come before me, because the earth is full of violence as a result of them; and here I am bringing them to ruin together with the earth.??Genesis 6:13.

Legends concerning the Flood generally indicate that it brought about global destruction. Similarly, the Bible says: ?The waters overwhelmed the earth so greatly that all the tall mountains that were under the whole heavens came to be covered. Everything in which the breath of the force of life was active in its nostrils, namely, all that were on the dry ground, died.??Genesis 7:19, 22.

Most Flood legends say that a man survived the Deluge along with one or more other persons. Many legends have him taking refuge in a boat he had built, and they have it land on a mountain. Comparably, the Scriptures say that Noah built an ark. They also state: ?Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark kept on surviving.? (Genesis 6:5-8; 7:23) According to the Bible, after the Deluge ?the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat,? where Noah and his family disembarked. (Genesis 8:4, 15-18) Legends also indicate that Flood survivors started to repopulate the earth, as the Bible shows that Noah?s family did.?Genesis 9:1; 10:1.

With the foregoing points in mind, let us consider some Flood legends. Suppose we begin with the Sumerians, an ancient people who inhabited Mesopotamia. Their version of the Deluge was found on a clay tablet unearthed in the ruins of Nippur. This tablet says that the Sumerian gods Anu and Enlil decided to destroy mankind with a giant flood. Being warned by the god Enki, Ziusudra and his family were able to survive in a huge boat.

The Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh contains many details. According to it, Gilgamesh visited his ancestor Utnapishtim, who had been granted eternal life after surviving the Flood. In the ensuing conversation, Utnapishtim explained that he was told to build a ship and take cattle, wild beasts, and his family into it. He built the ship as a huge cube 200 feet [60 m] on each side, with six floors. He tells Gilgamesh that the storm lasted six days and six nights, and then he says: ?When the seventh day arrived, the hurricane, the Deluge, the shock of battle was broken, which had smitten like an army. The sea became calm, the cyclone died away, the Deluge ceased. I looked upon the sea and the sound of voices had ended. And all mankind had turned to clay.?

After the vessel grounded on Mount Nisir, Utnapishtim released a dove that returned to the boat when it could not find a resting-place. This was followed by a swallow that also returned. A raven was then released, and when it did not return, he knew that the water had subsided. Utnapishtim then released the animals and offered a sacrifice.

This very old legend is somewhat similar to the Biblical account of the Flood. However, it lacks the graphic details and simplicity of the Bible account, and it does not give reasonable dimensions for the ark nor supply the time period indicated in the Scriptures. For instance, the Epic of Gilgamesh said that the storm lasted six days and six nights, whereas the Bible says that ?the downpour upon the earth went on for forty days and forty nights??a continuing heavy rain that finally covered the entire globe with water.?Genesis 7:12.

Though the Bible mentions eight Flood survivors, in Greek legend only Deucalion and his wife, Pyrrha, survived. (2 Peter 2:5) According to this legend, before the Flood the earth was inhabited by violent individuals called the men of bronze. The god Zeus decided to destroy them with a great flood and told Deucalion to build a large chest and get into it. When the flood subsided, the chest came to rest on Mount Parnassus. Deucalion and Pyrrha descended from the mountain and started mankind again.

In India there is a Flood legend in which Manu is the human survivor. He befriends a small fish that grows to a large size and warns him of a devastating flood. Manu builds a boat, which the fish pulls until it is grounded on a mountain in the Himalayas. When the flood subsides, Manu descends from the mountain and with Ida, the personification of his sacrifice, renews the human race.

According to the Chinese flood legend, the thunder god gives a tooth to two children, Nuwa and Fuxi. He instructs them to plant it and to take shelter in the gourd that would grow from it. A tree promptly grows from the tooth and produces a huge gourd. When the thunder god causes torrential rainfall, the children climb into the gourd. Though the resulting flood drowns all the rest of earth?s inhabitants, Nuwa and Fuxi survive and repopulate the globe.

Indians of North America have various legends that carry the common theme of a flood that destroys all but a few people. For example, the Arikara, a Caddo people, say that the earth was once inhabited by a race of people so strong that they ridiculed the gods. The god Nesaru destroyed these giants by means of a flood but preserved his people, the animals, and maize in a cave. The Havasupai people say that the god Hokomata caused a deluge that destroyed mankind. However, the man Tochopa preserved his daughter Pukeheh by sealing her in a hollow log.

Indians in Central and South America have flood legends with basic similarities. The Maya of Central America believed that a great rain serpent destroyed the world by torrents of water. In Mexico the Chimalpopoca version tells that a flood submerged the mountains. The god Tezcatlipoca warned the man Nata, who hollowed out a log where he and his wife, Nena, found refuge until the water subsided.

In Peru the Chincha have a legend of a five-day flood that destroyed all men except one whom a talking llama led to safety on a mountain. The Aymara of Peru and Bolivia say that the god Viracocha came out of Lake Titicaca and created the world and abnormally large, strong men. Because this first race angered him, Viracocha destroyed them with a flood.

The Tupinamba Indians of Brazil spoke of a time when a great flood drowned all their ancestors except those who survived in canoes or in the tops of tall trees. The Cashinaua of Brazil, the Macushi of Guyana, the Caribs of Central America, and the Ona and Yahgan of Tierra del Fuego in South America are among the many tribes that have flood legends.

Throughout the South Pacific, legends of a flood with few surviving are common. For example, in Samoa there is a legend of a flood in early times that destroyed everyone except Pili and his wife. They found safety on a rock, and after the flood they repopulated the earth. In the Hawaiian Islands, the god Kane became annoyed with humans and sent a flood to destroy them. Only Nu´u escaped in a large boat that finally grounded on a mountain.

On Mindanao in the Philippines, the Ata say that the earth was once covered by water that destroyed everyone except two men and a woman. The Iban of Sarawak, Borneo, say that only a few people escaped a deluge by fleeing to the highest hills. In the Igorot legend of the Philippines, only a brother and sister survived by taking refuge on Mount Pokis.

The Soyot of Siberia, Russia, say that a giant frog, which was supporting the earth, moved and caused the globe to be flooded. An old man and his family survived on a raft he had made. When the water receded, the raft grounded on a high mountain. The Ugrians of western Siberia and Hungary also say that flood survivors used rafts but drifted to different parts of the earth.

What can we conclude from these many Flood legends? Though they differ greatly in details, they have some common features. These indicate an origin in some gigantic and unforgettable cataclysm. Despite vivid colorations over the centuries, their underlying theme is like a thread that ties them to one great event?the global Deluge related in the simple, uncolored Bible account.

Since the Flood legends are generally found among people who did not come in touch with the Bible until recent centuries, it would be a mistake to contend that the Scriptural account influenced them. Moreover, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia says: ?The universality of the flood accounts is usually taken as evidence for the universal destruction of humanity by a flood . . . Moreover, some of the ancient accounts were written by people very much in opposition to the Hebrew-Christian tradition.? (Volume 2, page 319) So we can confidently conclude that the Flood legends confirm the reality of the Biblical account.
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« Reply #112 on: March 03, 2004, 06:59:00 AM »
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On 2004-03-02 16:16:00, Reagon Youth wrote:

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Why do people use a cross as a worship symbol? "


Good question, Timmy.  Here's what I found:

THE cross you see on the steeple of a neighborhood church, on its altar and as pendants around the necks of many of your neighbors is actually a pagan religious symbol. It was revered throughout the pagan world long before the advent of Christianity. This is admitted by many religious and historical authorities, as we shall see.

In its edition of 1908, The Catholic Encyclopedia states in volume 4, page 517: ?The sign of the cross, represented in its simplest form by a crossing of two lines at right angles, greatly antedates, in both the East and the West, the introduction of Christianity. It goes back to a very remote period of human civilization.? The book The Ancient Church by clergyman W. D. Killen concurs by saying, on page 316: ?From the most remote antiquity the cross was venerated in Egypt and Syria; it was held in equal honour by the Buddhists of the East; and, what is still more extraordinary, when the Spaniards first visited America, the well-known sign was found among the objects of worship in the idol temples of Anahuac. It is also remarkable that, about the commencement of our era, the pagans were wont to make the sign of a cross upon the forehead in the celebration of some of their sacred mysteries.?

If you belong to one of Christendom?s churches, did the church ever tell you that the cross is a pagan symbol? If it did not, it withheld the truth from you. It has encouraged you to hold in reverence an admittedly pagan symbol. ?But,? you may say, ?did not the early Christians regard the cross as a symbol of Christianity?? No, they did not. It was not until about the middle of the third century of our Common Era that professed Christians began to use it as such. An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words by W. E. Vine states on page 256 of volume one: ?By the middle of the 3rd century A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the cross of Christ.?

At the beginning of the third century Minucius Felix wrote to the pagans in Octavius and revealed the attitude that early Christians had toward the cross up to that time. He said: ?Crosses, moreover, we neither worship nor wish for. You, indeed, who consecrate gods of wood, adore wooden crosses perhaps as parts of your gods. . . . Your victorious trophies not only imitate the appearance of a simple cross, but also that of a man affixed to it.? (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 4, p. 191) True Christians never revered the cross or regarded it as a symbol of true Christianity.

Many persons contend that the cross is used by the churches because Christ died on one. That is what the churches say, but it is not the truth. Admitting uncertainty as to whether Christ died on a cross, the church paper of the Evangelical-Lutheran State Church of Schleswig-Holstein, Die kirche der Heimat (The Church of the Homeland), remarked in its issue of August 2, 1951: ?Whether the cross on Golgotha had a crossbar or not or whether it was just a plain stake, whether it had the T-form or whether it had a crossbar placed across the upright stake is hardly possible to determine now.?

That the word ?cross? appears in many English translations of the Bible does not prove that Christ?s death instrument was in the shape that the churches claim. The word ?cross? stands for a number of shapes. There is the simple upright stake, called in Latin crux simplex; the crux commissa, which was shaped like the letter ?T?; the crux decussata, which was shaped like the letter ?X,? and the crux immissa, which was like the letter ?T? but with the crossbar lowered. So when the English word ?cross? is used in Bible translations made by the churches, how are you to know which of these forms is meant?

The Greek word from which the English word ?cross? is translated by the churches is stauros´, but to the Bible writers it did not stand for the cross that churches display as the symbol of Christianity. It meant a plain upright stake. On this the book An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words by W. E. Vine states on page 256 of volume one: ?Stauros denotes, primarily, an upright pale or stake. On such malefactors were nailed for execution. Both the noun and the verb stauroo, to fasten to a stake or pale, are originally to be distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed cross. The shape of the latter had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz.?

Note also what is stated in The Companion Bible, published by the Oxford University Press. On page 186 in the ?Appendixes? it says: ?Homer uses the word stauros of an ordinary pole or stake, or a single piece of timber. And this is the meaning and usage of the word throughout the Greek classics. It never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle, but always of one piece alone. Hence the use of the word xulon [which means a timber] in connection with the manner of our Lord?s death, and rendered tree in Acts 5:30; 10:39; 13:29; Gal. 3:13; 1 Pet. 2:24. . . . There is nothing in the Greek N.T. even to imply two pieces of timber. . . . The evidence is thus complete, that the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed at any angle.?

The cross used by the churches has not the remotest connection with Christianity. It is instead a sacred symbol belonging to ancient pagan religions, religions that the God of truth abhorred and against which he warned the nation of Israel. (Deut. 7:16, 25, 26) It was a recognized symbol in the religion of ancient Egypt.

The Egyptian cross, known as the crux ansata, was surmounted by a circle. This combination represented the male and female procreative organs. Referring to the female symbol on this cross?the circle?by the Hindu term yoni, the book Sex and Sex Worship by O. A. Wall states on page 359: ?The crux ansata (cross with a handle) was used all over the world from India, Assyria, Babylon, Egypt, to Sweden and Denmark (old Runic) and in the Western Continent. . . . It is the ankh of the Egyptians, the symbol of life, because it represents the feminine yoni in union with the masculine tau cross.?

Again, I know this is lengthy, but I didn't want to leave out any pertinent information.
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« Reply #113 on: March 03, 2004, 07:38:00 AM »
I equate wearing a cross with wearing a small electric chair on a chain.  Kinda gives me the creeps.  Some Christians believe that the most important thing is the life after death and that Christ rose and don't concentrate on the execution of Christ as being the most important thing.
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« Reply #114 on: March 03, 2004, 09:10:00 AM »
The "empty" cross is a symbol of Victory -that when the enemy thought he had killed the Christ- he rose as it was prophisied...and now is alive -waiting to intercede for us sitting at the right hand of the Father
--the cross says- we won..and Jesus is alive and is not on the cross he is King of Kings and Lord of Lords- and also for many symolizes the heavy sacrifice that Jesus went through for us...the cross is a bridge to cross the great divide.

sometimes the Word says ...the foolish things of the world will confound the wise.
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« Reply #115 on: March 03, 2004, 09:15:00 AM »
The cross is a symbol of execution.  That is why I don't wear one.  That other mumbo jumbo is just christian brainrinsing crap.
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« Reply #116 on: March 03, 2004, 09:34:00 AM »
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« Reply #117 on: March 03, 2004, 11:19:00 AM »
Lets stick to the subject for just a second. I asked for evidence that the flood story was an original, and that it actually happened. We get in response Huge cut and pastes from religious sites. The whole diatribe boils down to this.

Starting again with basic logic, the person making the claim has the burden of proof. The claim is laid out, there was a flood that covered the entire earth approx 2000 years before christ, and the story is original to the bible. If this really happened, archeological evidence would be present througout the world, on every continent, in every stratafied layer of rock. It isn't there. It doesn't exist.

1)your evidence of the flood: the cut and paste discredits archeologist and say they MAY have misinterpreted data. NO EVIDENCE THE FLOOD HAPPENED WAS POSTED, ONLY SUPPOSITIONS AND RELIGIOUS WISHFULL THINKING and of course, the retelling of the story.WE ARE LOOKING FOR EVIDENCE.

 If you disagree, cut out the fat and post only the evidence here. So far, we have none. you posted this: "Thus, inhabitants of Asia, the islands of the South Pacific, North America, Central America, and South America have tales of this impressive event."



2) your evidence the flood is an original bible story.  NONE.  Only a long cut and paste from a religious apologist site that attempts to retell the stories from a christian slant. The discovery in the ninteenth century of tablets that predate the bible by about two thousand years in a different language tell a story amazingly similar to Noahs ark. The problem is it spells the almost exact myth using different people.. This has been a big problem for christianity to explain so they have resorted to attempting to discredit earlier writings.STILL NO EVIDENCE THE FLOOD HAPPENED, BUT PLENTY OF EVIDENCE THE MYTH PREDATES THE BIBLE AND WAS LIFTED ALMOST VERBATIM. Links available to the source upon request.


Dear people, floods are not unusual events. The ancient people thought the world was defined by the horizon. During the  time the flood supposedly occured, Egypt was prospering and writing down their history. They apparently stayed dry througout this event. NO MENTION OF THE FLOOD FROM EGYPTION HISTORY.There is NO credible evidence of a worldwide flood and plenty of evidence the story of the bible flood was a plagarism of an earlier myth. The sheer foly of claiming two of every species on the planet fit into a ship with only one door,were fed and kept alive(all with very unique dietary needs..imagine the food stock),  survived and mated is unreal, especially in light of all the animals, insects, primates and other life that are unique to areas far far away from the Ark. Did the people who wrote this fable know about this?  Nope. but if there was a god, he sure would. More evidence this was a man fable.

Now, we still, 12 pages later into this thread, are left with not a shred of evidence this ever happened. The burden of proof is the purveyor of the story. We don't even have a shred of evidence, let alone proof.

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« Reply #118 on: March 03, 2004, 11:26:00 AM »
"Some legends mention violent giants living on the earth before the Flood. Comparably, the Bible indicates that before the Deluge disobedient angels materialized fleshly bodies, cohabited with women, and produced a race of giants called Nephilim.?Genesis 6:1-4; 2 Peter 2:4, 5."


Great Story!  Now, if a race of giants lived, there should be archeological evidence.  Provide it please....
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« Reply #119 on: March 03, 2004, 11:30:00 AM »
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Today the geological (and historical) evidence for the non-occurrence of a worldwide flood is simply overwhelming....... The first concerns the sequence of the sedimentary deposits. There are two kinds of sediments: high energy and low energy sediment. Based on simple laboratory tests and field observations of actual floods, it can be shown that high energy sediments, such as gravel, are deposited during the height of floods. Low energy sediments, such as siltstone, mudstone and claystone, are deposited during the waning of the floods. Thus if there is a worldwide flood we would expect that there would be a uniform worldwide sedimentary formation with the high energy sediments (ancient gravel, sands) at the bottom and the low energy sediments at the top. Yet this is not seen on anything close to a global scale. As Professor Plimer pointed out, if this is to be seen on a global scale, oilfield geologists would have an easy job since all sedimentary formation would invariably have sandstone at the bottom and siltstones, mudstones and claystones at the top!The second concerns the evidence of the environment of the sediments during its time of deposition. Chemical and fossil evidence shows that some sedimentary rocks were formed in freshwater environments while others were formed in a saline (salty-seawater) environment. Clearly the waters that was sent by God during the deluge was either fresh or saline; it couldn?t be both!
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