Rich Dumbass Parents, so she says

[Anonymous]

Carey, does your attorney know what you think about him?  Are you going to be Honest with Him? Tell him the Truth? Demand that he be held accountable?


Ginger, maybe you should know that Alan Kipnis Dumped his son at TB for 3 Years. He is one of those Rich/Dumbass parents that Carey so quickly condemns.  Alan Kipnis currently helps WWASP with any potential WWASP legal problems in South Florida. He has communicated and supported WWASP to  parents that are having doubts. He represented Lynne Pretzfeld, a WWASP witness, at a deposition a few weeks ago.

But, as she does need an attorney, I am sure when she was offered  legal help from the Program, she took it.  In time, we?ll know who?s paying for it. I do a little doubt, that Carey is footing the bill.

I?m sure his assocation with the Program is of little concern to Carey. Carey, is Carey?s only concern, as far as I have ever been able to tell.


Take Heed.

A Rich (not) Dumbass (so some say)
(also, stupid, gulliable, wish washy, lying, so she says)
Post Program Parent

[Anonymous]

I don't blame anybody in danger of a default judgement from taking any lawyer they can get.

A default judgement isn't justice unless the person found in default is being deliberately obstructive of the legal process.

If they're just poor and stuck in another state, a default judgement is a travesty of justice and our system shouldn't allow it.  In cases like this, indigence or near indigence on the part of the defendant should be grounds for a change of jurisdiction to the county of residence of the defendant----especially in cases where the laws don't vary too much from state to state, like defamation law.

However, justice and the law frequently barely have a nodding acquaintance.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-02-12 08:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Carey, does your attorney know what you think about him?  Are you going to be Honest with Him? Tell him the Truth? Demand that he be held accountable?





Ginger, maybe you should know that Alan Kipnis Dumped his son at TB for 3 Years. He is one of those Rich/Dumbass parents that Carey so quickly condemns.  Alan Kipnis currently helps WWASP with any potential WWASP legal problems in South Florida. He has communicated and supported WWASP to  parents that are having doubts. He represented Lynne Pretzfeld, a WWASP witness, at a deposition a few weeks ago.



But, as she does need an attorney, I am sure when she was offered  legal help from the Program, she took it.  In time, we?ll know who?s paying for it. I do a little doubt, that Carey is footing the bill.



I?m sure his assocation with the Program is of little concern to Carey. Carey, is Carey?s only concern, as far as I have ever been able to tell.





Take Heed.



A Rich (not) Dumbass (so some say)

(also, stupid, gulliable, wish washy, lying, so she says)

Post Program Parent



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Anon, what's it to you who Carey hires or doesn't hire?  You mention he represented a Lynn Pretzfeld
in some deposition, but fail to mention the deposition was related to PURE and the lawsuit filed against them by WWASPS. (See PACER system for court record). Is THIS what bothers you? That Carey has an attorney that is not clueless?

 :rofl:

[Anonymous]

Anon,

Do you not reconize the hypocricsy?

Out of all of the attorneys available in Florida ,the woman has aquired an attorney who is a wwaspie.

Hellooooooo. Where is the honesty,integrity,the truthfulness.?

Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY?

[Anonymous]

Anon,

Do you not reconize the hypocricsy?

Out of all of the attorneys available in Florida ,the woman has aquired an attorney who is a wwaspie.

Hellooooooo. Where is the honesty,integrity,the truthfulness.?

Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY?

HONESTY   When did she lie?  This has been an accusation made by many....yet no one has been able to provide an answer.

INTEGRITY  Where and how has her integrity been lost?   She has hired an attorney who is familiar with Sue and PURE....that tells me that she is not stupid.  Remember this is is not a case invovling WWASP and survivors.  This is a case that involves freedom of speech. From what I have gathered the depositions she was posting had not been sealed by the courts.

ACCOUNTABILITY  Carey is all for accountability, she has said that over and over again.  She has said that she is not for substituting one set of unregulated programs for yet another set of unregulated programs. She seems to have learned a lot about those that claim they are PURE and that their programs are not any better than those who they oppose.

[Anonymous]

Anon,

Do you not reconize the hypocricsy?

Out of all of the attorneys available in Florida ,the woman has aquired an attorney who is a wwaspie.

Hellooooooo. Where is the honesty,integrity,the truthfulness.?

Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY?

HONESTY   When did she lie?  This has been an accusation made by many....yet no one has been able to provide an answer.

INTEGRITY  Where and how has her integrity been lost?   She has hired an attorney who is familiar with Sue and PURE....that tells me that she is not stupid.  Remember this is is not a case invovling WWASP and survivors.  This is a case that involves freedom of speech. From what I have gathered the depositions she was posting had not been sealed by the courts.

ACCOUNTABILITY  Carey is all for accountability, she has said that over and over again.  She has said that she is not for substituting one set of unregulated programs for yet another set of unregulated programs. She seems to have learned a lot about those that claim they are PURE and that their programs are any better than those who they oppose.

[Anonymous]

Anon,

You neglected to mention the woman's HYPOCRISY!!!!

You are so uniformed.

If this wasnt so bad it could be funny!   NOT!

[Anonymous]

I thought your comments about honesty, integrity and accountability were the reason you were saying she is a hypocrit.

Elaborate then, how is she a hypocrit?  Did she hire someone who has abused children?  It seems to me she just hired someone who knows what is going on.

[Anonymous]

My experience of Carey is:
She frequently lies by practicing Data Drop out.
She admits to bits and pieces, but not the meat of the matter, until nailed to the wall.
She frequently lies by expressing her opinion of how something took place, as if it where a fact.
She frequently lies about individuals by expressing her opinion on their thoughts, actions and motives as if it is fact. She gets ideas in her head that immediately take the form of fact in her mind; and she expresses these thoughts as if  they are truth; when all it often is, is her paranoid imagination at work.
If you want examples, just go back to last spring, and read over her posting. If you pay attention; and aren't to terribly determined to never find fault with the lady; you'll see plenty of proof for yourself.

Carey has been very adamant on this board that the parents who've sent their kids to wwasp programs ought to be held accountable. Just as accountable, as those who are guilty of the actual acts of brutality and neglect that she knows and admits take place in these programs.
She has been very demeaning toward these parents; calling them by various insulting names and accusing them of stupidity and selfishness.
As her lawyer is among those most committed to the program, one can't help but wonder how honest she intends to be with him.
Is her commitment to total honesty (yeah right) absolute enough for her to speak her mind when it might cost her something?
She has no concern when it might cost others dearly. Does she hold herself to the same standard she tries so hard to impose on others?
I think these are valid questions.

It also seems possible, *maybe* , she might encourage Ginger to hire the same attorney.
She might, *possiably* not tell Ginger the whole truth about who he is and how she found him.
Seems like Ginger *might* like to know.

As for me being bothered: Not at all. Doesn?t trouble me in the least; or even surprise me at this point. But it is a bit interesting and I think worth bringing up for discussion.

[Anonymous]

This is pathetic!  PURE sues Ginger (Fornits) and Carey Bock and now their supporters have the audacity to cry FOUL because they don't like Ms. Bock's choice for an attorney?  Oh boo-hoo-hoo-hoo.  You'all should mind your own business and stop whining about G & C's kick-ass attorneys.

[Anonymous]

Whoz whining?

Just you Pal.

I personally, am not associated with PURE; nor any of the various legal entanglements.

As you point out, and I agree, Carey needs an attorney, and may "hire" whom she wishes.

There are people who might like to know just how entangled with the program various people are; as the program is a problem, in the view of many users on this board.

And it will do Mz Bock no harm to put herself in the shoes she has so often tried to force on others feet.

The questions put to her are valid; if the questions she has so hounded others with are; and in her view, they are; SO, the questions are valid.

If Ginger chooses to hire this same attorney, then that is her absolute right. She did ask, on another thread, just how the man was affiliated with wwasp; and so its reasonable to surmise she would like to know.

Nothing about any of this is whining; except you Pal.

[Anonymous]

My experience of Carey is:
She frequently lies by practicing Data Drop out.
She admits to bits and pieces, but not the meat of the matter, until nailed to the wall.
She frequently lies by expressing her opinion of how something took place, as if it where a fact.
She frequently lies about individuals by expressing her opinion on their thoughts, actions and motives as if it is fact. She gets ideas in her head that immediately take the form of fact in her mind; and she expresses these thoughts as if they are truth; when all it often is, is her paranoid imagination at work.

You must be talking to the man in the mirror.

The questions put to her are valid; if the questions she has so hounded others with are; and in her view, they are; SO, the questions are valid.

What questions are you refering to that you say are valid?

[Anonymous]

Ginger would *never*  *ever* *ever* hire a WWASP-linked attorney.

She's got one famous for successfully suing programs like WWASP.

Why on earth would she want one who defends them, when she herself was a victim of treatment abuse?

[Anonymous]

Sounds like Pure wasn't expecting Carey to hire an attorney that is SO FAMILIAR with the garbage the PURE began to defame WWASP on the internet forums.  Now the tables have been turned.  I don't know for sure, but the posters that oppose her attorney choice COULD be PUREists that are feeling the heat, big time.   :wink:

[Froderik]

So why don't we all just shut up, and wait and see? Do you people ever stop speculating?  
We'll find out when we find out..ain't nothing anyone can do about it...