Rich Dumbass Parents, so she says

[Anonymous]

Anon,

No heat here. Just incredulous at the hypocrisy and lack of self respect.

How can one woman scream abuse of the teen help industry .Slander individuals (who have visited sites,have talked with hundreds of parents and kids who have had positive results),and then accept legal representation from a major player in promoting their cause.Remember this guy left his child at TB for yrs.He gives postive feedback of the program.

Is that not blantanly obvious to you?
Where is the integrity for what she says she stands for?

BTW  The "garbage" put on the net by an individual who is being sued by the organization was/is TRUE.

It has been substantiated many, many,many times over.

 They know it,it is about time you accept the truth. Stop hiding behind the lies.

[Anonymous]

Who cares? :silly:

[Carey]

How can one woman scream abuse of the teen help industry .Slander individuals (who have visited sites,have talked with hundreds of parents and kids who have had positive results),and then accept legal representation from a major player in promoting their cause.Remember this guy left his child at TB for yrs.He gives postive feedback of the program.

Let me help you to understand...I have learned a lot about the people involved on both sides of the fence.  I also have more information on all of the players involved and I now know more than I ever did before.

Let me add, sometimes we get caught up in the hysteria of the moments and situations we find ourselves in.  It is only when we can step back and remove ourselves from that hystaria and look at all of the facts in that given situation that we can find the truth.

I think I have a clearer understanding of what is and has been going on.  I have heard what WWASP has to say, I have heard what PURE and the trekkers have to say, and I have heard from my own two sons.

I will say this, even though it will make a lot of people very mad, I have found WWASP and my own two sons to be far more credible than anyone associated with PURE.  

I did have a terrible experience with Dundee.  My boys rights and my rights were violated while at Dundee.  Things did happen to them that should not have.  But you know, I don't feel the need to over exagerate what they experienced just to protect PURE and just for revenge, as do trekkers.

[Anonymous]

Who provided this detailed informatin?  

Sounds like you have drunk the kool aide.

 SAP!   You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Carey]

Anon you asked:

Who provided this detailed informatin?

Here is what has been provided by each party.

PURE/Trekkers have provided accusations, no proof.
Their accusations are thrown at anybody and everybody that questions them.  Look Anon, you are even accusing me of drinking the "koolaid."  Isn't that Trekkers term for being brainwashed?  How have I been brainwashed?  In a seminar, have I suffered diet deprivation, what?  No, I have never been to a seminar and my diet has not changed, it is simply another accusation made that is false.

WWASP has provided sworn testimony from people who have lied.  These people who have lied are the same people who are making the accusations against them(WWASP) and against me.  I know I am innocent of any wrong doing.  All I have ever done is tell what I know.  I am being sued by PURE for that.  I am being sued for telling about PURE and what was said in Sue Scheff's sworn statement.  And believe you me, what I was telling had nothing to do with her children, it had to do with her lack of ethics and her lack of professionalism.   I was sharing HER own WORDS.

MY BOYS have provided me with their experience, the truth, the good and the bad.



[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2004-02-15 08:49 ]

[Anonymous]

You "sound" like you've been at the kool aid, Carey.

There is more than one way to skin a cat (or alter a person's thinking)and it isn't Always nesscarry to have them in a large group, stressed and hungery.


Your spilling out the same speil that the "stepford" parents do, in defence of their beloved Program; Its a little harsh; maybe; but does not rise to the level of abuse or neglect.
At least this is what it "sounds" like your saying.

LOTs of post program kids, would strenioulsy debate this with you.
LOTS of Post Program kids, claim to be victims and witnesses of clearly, seriously, abusive acts; and neglect.

You seem to be calling them all lying manipulators; based on what you've been told by the Program; and the fact your boys weren't personaly battered.

 Kool Aid drinkers is an unfortunate term. I prefer the legions of Faithful. But there is a reason for it. Over and over, When folks who are unaffiliated with the Program, and so unaffected by the seminars, encounter a group or even an individual, who have done a seminar; the thought pops in their head; "They sound brain washed". People frequently think of the Stepford wives; and Jones Town, after an encounter with well programmed parents.

You are sounding the same.

Makes me think of Animal Farm.

The last page.

[Carey]

You seem to be calling them all lying manipulators;

There you go, making things up. I have never said anything of the sort.  However, if that is what you read into it, well not much I can do about that.

I am talking about PURE/Trekkers and those I have had experience with.  All they have is each other and the stories they have come up with.  If you are not either and you and your child have a case of abuse against WWASP, then do what you need to do.  But if your case is wrapped up in with theirs, I feel sorry for you.  They are not honest and truthful people.

[Anonymous]

So, its just the Trekker's kids that are liars; according to you.
Being as Trekkers is a group of Parents who chose to believe their childern are telling the truth and so have chosen to try and do something about it; Your saying all their kids are lying; but the others aren't.
This -Seems- to be what your trying to say.
I'm sure you'll have yet another snappy comment.
Lets hear it. . .

[Carey]

So, its just the Trekker's kids that are liars; according to you.
Being as Trekkers is a group of Parents who chose to believe their childern are telling the truth and so have chosen to try and do something about it; Your saying all their kids are lying; but the others aren't.

I am saying that Sue/PURE/Bozak/Amberly are liars.  

If you stand by them then you stand by liars.  That leads me to believe that the truth does not matter to you.  If you can stand by these known liars who you have no strong bond with, at least not a bond like a parent has with a child,  then I believe you could stand by your own child who may be lying.

[Anonymous]

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[Antigen]

Carey, never attribute to malice that which can be readily explained by ignorance*.

I know some of these folks very well. They do not condone lying, especially lying about important things. They're good ppl, the ones I know. They just don't seem to believe what you're trying to tell them. I have to say that you sound just about the same when you allude to a distinction between WWASP and Dundee. We all know that Narvin and WWASP go way back. I hope you don't sincerely believe that Dundee was just a fluke.

* This definition: " lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified ", not any of the more insulting ones.

Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.
--James Madison

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American drug war P.O.W.
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Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous

[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2004-02-16 06:14 ]

[Carey]

Ginger, I know what I have experienced.  I know what I know about Dundee, Trekkers, PURE, Scheff, Bozak, Amberly, Martha, Marti, the Colburns, Reese, et al, based on my own experience.  That is what I know and that is what I can speak about.  

I don't like the industry as a whole.  Do I have the answers, NO.  I don't claim to.

What I do know is, I am not the bad guy...although Trekkers would like to make me out to be.  I have said from the beginning that I don't think the end justifies the means.  Well, that holds true for Trekkers...THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS.  If the means means lying, then something is not right about what they are doing.  However, they would like to cover that part up.  HMMM...haven't they accused others of trying to cover things up?

[Anonymous]

Gee Carey -

You've hurt my feelings.
Left me off your little list of liars.

I wonder...
Are you able to list anybody who is critical of the program; Anyone who is declaring it abusive and neglectful; that is telling the truth?

[Carey]

Gee Carey -

You've hurt my feelings.
Left me off your little list of liars.

I wonder...
Are you able to list anybody who is critical of the program; Anyone who is declaring it abusive and neglectful; that is telling the truth?

Do you know what et,al means?  Well let me help you out...it could mean you.  Given your posting as Anon, and given your comment, it probably does include you.

Hey, just post as Anon, then you don't have to worry about what you say, truthful or not. Hey you don't even have to worry about being looked at as being ignorant for some of your very own decisions.  Well you have heard the saying "ignorance is bliss."  Maybe so for you, but not for those you are hurting and/or protecting.

Keep that bag over your head, you are safe that way, protected from the truth.  Oh yeah and protected from any public scrutiny.

Ginger, all of the Trekkers you have talked to and gotten to know...when did that take place?  Have they been emailing you behind the scenes?  You have not been able to talk to me because of the case, until of course your recent post, referencing those Trekkers who you know.  Just curious incase you are wondering why I ask.

[Anonymous]

Seems Ginger is finally getting it, your hatred of the so call trekkers and your obseession with pure sue is your real beef. Why else dont you get that Dundee and WWASPS are one in the same? Your lawyer with the resources is the resources of WWASPS, nothing else. Floirda is HUGE, why pick the lawyer that assists WWASPS?  Why pick a lawyer that had his own child at TB/WWASPS for 3 years!!!!!  He obviouslyt isgned the contract. What is your opinion there?  Yup, I am another dumb ass paernt, but seems you cant decide who your loyalty is with, as long as your hatred is satisfied.  Hey survivors, Carey could care less about the programs, she only cares that she hurts the one she thinks hurt or exploited her.