Abundant Life Academy at Lake Chapala

[Anonymous]

Prayer is NOT #1.  

ACCOUNTABILITY is #1.

Serious allegations have been raised and the notion that ALA is somehow not accountable is patently ridiculous.

ALA should issue a public statement, either on their own website or here, on Fornits, where the allegations have been posted.  

ISAC is not the DEFINITIVE word on anything or anybody.

[Anonymous]

I'm new to this. Could you please specifically state what the allegations are?  Not generally but specifically?  Who is making them?  What authorities have been notified?  What newspapers are covering this story?  The only thing I have seen here is some stuff from a disgruttled employ.

[Anonymous]

Anon, I got news for you. A person (whether they are a parent, student, employee or ex-employee) can be "disgruntled" and have a LEGITIMATE complaint at the same time.  In fact, the 2 usually go hand-in-hand ...

  :idea:

[Antigen]

On 2004-03-08 10:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Try doing some research.  There is a watchdog organization for teen programs.  Go to http://www.isaccorp.com and see if there are any complaints or pending litigation.  This step should be taken prior to any placement.  But prayer is still #1!"

I have personally never heard one single complaint based on firsthand experience about Al Queda. They do offer a faith based training program for teenaged boys. And I understand they're expending their mission to include teenaged girls, too. I've never heard anything bad about them, except for from the liberal media. ISAC doesn't have them listed as potentially bad so then they must be good, right?

Here's a novel (or maybe arcane) idea. Don't ship your kids off to strangers who will restrict their ability to leave or to contact friends and family outside of the facility. It's a bad idea from bottom to top. If you even have to as "Oh, btw, did you happen to hear of any alleged rapes or beatings or other kinds of torture?" then you do NOT know enough about them to trust them w/ your kid!

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-- Dick Cavett

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[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2004-03-08 13:33 ]

[Kiwi]

If you even have to as "Oh, btw, did you happen to hear of any alleged rapes or beatings or other kinds of torture?" then you do NOT know enough about them to trust them w/ your kid!

 :nworthy:

[Anonymous]

again, where are the news stories?  In what state were the charges filed?  Post the names and phone numbers of the parents that have first hand knowledge of this abuse.  What court is handling the case?  Where is the proof?

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-08 16:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"again, where are the news stories?  In what state were the charges filed?  Post the names and phone numbers of the parents that have first hand knowledge of this abuse.  What court is handling the case?  Where is the proof?"

Perhaps Anon needs to re-read this post to ascertain exactly what has been alleged and by whom rather than asking questions that are not particularly relevant to the issues at hand.
Posted: 2004-03-03 17:43:00  
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TO THE PARENTS

AS LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA S. DE RL.? WE FEEL IT IS OUR MORAL DUTY TO INFORM YOU THE FOLLOWING.

THE CORPORATION CALLED ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? (?ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY AT LAKE CHAPALA?) WAS CONSTITUTED WITH A HUNDRED PER CENT MEXICAN CAPITAL, ON APRIL 30th OF 2003, UNDER PUBLIC DOCUMENT NO. 8,286, VOLUME 184, IN HERMOSILLO, SONORA, BEFORE NOTARY NO. 46, ATTORNEY ROMELIA RUIZ CAZARES AND IT WAS REGISTERED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE OF CHAPALA, JALISCO, ON MAY, 7th, 2003, WITH THE NUMBER 173 OF THE SECOND TOME OF THE FIRST BOOK OF THE RECORDS COMMERCE, AND AT THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE, WITH THE FEDERAL REGISTRATION (RFC) AVA030430TE9, BEING PARTNERS, THE ATTORNEY PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ AS THE SOLE ADMINISTRATOR, MRS. IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT AS THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CORPORATION AND MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO GOMEZ AS GENERAL MANAGER.

THE IDEA OF HAVING OUR ?ACADEMIA? IN THE COMMUNITY OF AJIJIC, JALISCO, AS WELL AS RENTING THE REAL STATE AND THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ITS OPERATION WERE NEGOTIATED IN THE MONTH OF MAY. SUBSEQUENTLY, IT WAS AGREED WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS, VERBALLY, TO RECEIVE THE YOUNGSTERS THAT HE WOULD SEND FROM THE ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY UTAH. THE CHARGE WAS TO BE $2,000.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT (MONTHLY) WHO WOULD GET ROOM AND BOARD IN THE HOUSE AT 94-?A? CONSTITUTION STREET IN AJIJIC. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, MR. ROGERS DIDN?T PAY THE AGREED AMOUNT OF TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS, THE AGREED UPON AMOUNT. INSTEAD HE PAID ONLY $500.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT. THE CONTRACT WAS NEVER FORMALLY LEGALIZED WITH THE UTAH ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY. WE WAITED FOR HIM TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION, BUT HE DID NOT RESPOND.

FOR THAT REASON AND REQUIRING MORE PERSONNEL TO PROVIDE BETTER CARE FOR THE YOUNGSTERS, MR. CRAIG ROGERS WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AS TO THE INCOME IN UTAH AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTS THAT HE MADE WITH THE PARENTS. HE DIDN?T PAY ATTENTION TO OUR REQUEST AND THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO THE YOUNGSTERS. VARIOUS CONSULTANTS VISITED THE INSTITUTION IN JUNE AND JULY AND WILL CONFIRM THE EXCELLENCE OF OUR SERVICE.

THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ASSOCIATION OF VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE STAFF THAT MR. CRAIG ROGERS HIRED FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THE YOUNGSTERS, THEY WERE PEOPLE WITHOUT EXPERIENCE IN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, SPECIALLY MR. JOHN NIELSEN WHO HAS A BAD RECORD IN HIS PREVIOUS JOBS. THIS IS DOCUMENTED IN THE ARCHIVES OF A WORLD KNOW ASOCIATION CALLED ?YOUTH WITH A MISION? A.R. IN CHAPALA, JALISCO (YWAM, JALISCO) WITH A WEB SITE http://www.ywamguadalajara.com.

FOR THESE REASONS, WE INFORMED MR. CRAIG ROGERS AS TO THE SITUATION ABOVE MENTIONED WAS DAMAGING THE IMAGE OF THE SCHOOL AS WELL AS THE SUBSTANCE HE WAS PUTTING AT RISK THE EDUCATION OF THE YOUNGSTERS. MR. ROGERS DIDN?T RESPOND TO THIS AND INSTEAD HE FOCUSSED IN FINDING AN INVESTOR FOR ?HIS? BUSINESS. HE NEVER LET US KNOW ANY OF THIS. HE ASKED FOR THE BOOKS OF OUR CORPORATION, WHICH WAS DENIED BECAUSE WE HAD NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO DO THIS. THEREFORE MR. ROGERS DECIDE TO GO TO THE ACCOUNTANT?S OFFICE AND WITH THREATS TRIED TO GET THEM (THERE ARE WITNESSES OF THIS FACTS). BEING ANNOYED BY NOT GETTING THE RECORDS HE ORDERED MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO TO GO FROM THE PROPERTY RENTED BY OUR CORPORATION SLANDERED AND THREATED HIM.

WHEN THE SITUATION GOT TO THIS POINT WE DECIDED FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR CHILDREN, TO PUT OUR CORPORATION ON SALE TO MR. ROGERS BUT HE COULDN?T PAY. THAT IS WHY THE MEMBERS OF ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? HAVE TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY WE HAD RENTED AND PROCEED LEGAL ACTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN AN ILLEGAL MANNER.

WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS NOT AND THERE WAS NEVER WAS DURING THE FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS OF OPERATION ANY CONTRACT WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS TO PROMOTE OUR SERVICES THROUGH THE INTERNET, A WEB PAGE ?ABUNDANT LIFE ACEDEMY? WHERE HE APPOINTS HIMSELF AS THE DIRECTOR OF OUR SCHOOL IN MEXICO AND THE ACADEMY OF ABUNDANT LIFE OF UTAH. BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT NEVER EXISTED ANY CONTRACT WITH HIM FOR HIS SERVICES. EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY COMMON AGREEMENT, HOPING THAT HE WOULD CLEAR OUT THE FINANCING STATEMENTS OF HIS BUSSINES IN THE UNITED STATES.

SOME OF THE PARENTS, AS WELL AS SOME AMERICAN RESIDENTS THAT ARE NEIGHBORS OF THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? HAVE SPOKEN TO MR. JOSUE APARICIO TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT AND ALSO TO EXPRESS THEIR DISATISFACTION WITH MR. JOHN NIELSEN?S ATTITUDE AND THE LACK OF MORALITY AND ETHICS FROM MR. CRAIG ROGERS. THEY HAVE ALSO ASKED HIM TO SUPPORT US IN ANY SITUATION THAT WILL CARRY ON IN THE FUTURE.

WE ARE REALLY SORRY FOR WHAT UNFORTUNATELY IS HAPPENING NOW, HOWEVER WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUIRED OR DESIRED.
abundantlifeacademyatlakechapala@yahoo.com.mx


SINCERELY,
ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA, S. DE R.L.


ADMINISTRATOR
ATTY. PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ


GENERAL MANAGER
CPA JOSUE R. APARICIO GOMEZ

AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE
IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT

[Anonymous]

On 2004-01-30 18:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"TO THE PARENTS

 

AS LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA S. DE RL.? WE FEEL IT IS OUR MORAL DUTY TO INFORM YOU THE FOLLOWING.

 

THE CORPORATION CALLED ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA?  (?ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY AT LAKE CHAPALA?) WAS CONSTITUTED WITH A HUNDRED PER CENT MEXICAN CAPITAL, ON APRIL 30th OF 2003, UNDER PUBLIC DOCUMENT NO. 8,286, VOLUME 184, IN HERMOSILLO, SONORA, BEFORE NOTARY NO. 46, ATTORNEY ROMELIA RUIZ CAZARES AND IT WAS REGISTERED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE OF CHAPALA, JALISCO, ON MAY, 7th, 2003, WITH THE NUMBER 173 OF THE SECOND TOME OF THE FIRST BOOK OF THE RECORDS COMMERCE, AND AT THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE, WITH THE FEDERAL REGISTRATION (RFC) AVA030430TE9, BEING PARTNERS, THE ATTORNEY PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ AS THE SOLE ADMINISTRATOR, MRS. IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT AS THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CORPORATION AND MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO GOMEZ AS GENERAL MANAGER.

 

THE IDEA OF HAVING OUR ?ACADEMIA? IN THE COMMUNITY OF AJIJIC, JALISCO, AS WELL AS RENTING THE REAL STATE AND THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ITS OPERATION WERE NEGOTIATED IN THE MONTH OF MAY. SUBSEQUENTLY, IT WAS AGREED WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS, VERBALLY, TO RECEIVE THE YOUNGSTERS THAT HE WOULD SEND FROM THE ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY UTAH.  THE CHARGE WAS TO BE $2,000.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT (MONTHLY) WHO WOULD GET ROOM AND BOARD IN THE HOUSE AT 94-?A? CONSTITUTION STREET IN AJIJIC.   FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, MR. ROGERS DIDN?T PAY THE AGREED AMOUNT OF TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS, THE AGREED UPON AMOUNT. INSTEAD HE PAID ONLY $500.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT. THE CONTRACT WAS NEVER FORMALLY LEGALIZED WITH THE UTAH ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY. WE WAITED FOR HIM TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION, BUT HE DID NOT RESPOND.

 

FOR THAT REASON AND REQUIRING MORE PERSONNEL TO PROVIDE BETTER CARE FOR THE YOUNGSTERS, MR. CRAIG ROGERS WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AS TO THE INCOME IN UTAH AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTS THAT HE MADE WITH THE PARENTS.  HE DIDN?T PAY ATTENTION TO OUR REQUEST AND THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO THE YOUNGSTERS. VARIOUS CONSULTANTS VISITED THE INSTITUTION IN JUNE AND JULY AND WILL CONFIRM THE EXCELLENCE OF OUR SERVICE.

 

THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ASSOCIATION OF VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE STAFF THAT MR. CRAIG ROGERS HIRED FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THE YOUNGSTERS, THEY WERE PEOPLE WITHOUT EXPERIENCE IN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, SPECIALLY MR. JOHN NIELSEN WHO HAS A BAD RECORD IN HIS PREVIOUS JOBS. THIS IS DOCUMENTED IN THE ARCHIVES OF A WORLD KNOW ASOCIATION CALLED ?YOUTH WITH A MISION? A.R. IN CHAPALA, JALISCO  (YWAM, JALISCO) WITH A WEB SITE http://www.ywamguadalajara.com.

 

FOR THESE REASONS, WE INFORMED MR. CRAIG ROGERS AS TO THE SITUATION ABOVE MENTIONED WAS DAMAGING THE IMAGE OF THE SCHOOL AS WELL AS THE SUBSTANCE HE WAS PUTTING AT RISK THE EDUCATION OF THE YOUNGSTERS.  MR. ROGERS DIDN?T RESPOND TO THIS AND INSTEAD HE FOCUSSED IN FINDING AN INVESTOR FOR ?HIS? BUSINESS.  HE NEVER LET US KNOW ANY OF THIS. HE ASKED FOR THE BOOKS OF OUR CORPORATION, WHICH WAS DENIED BECAUSE WE HAD NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO DO THIS. THEREFORE MR. ROGERS DECIDE TO GO TO THE ACCOUNTANT?S OFFICE AND WITH THREATS TRIED TO GET THEM (THERE ARE WITNESSES OF THIS FACTS). BEING ANNOYED BY NOT GETTING THE RECORDS HE ORDERED MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO TO GO FROM THE PROPERTY RENTED BY OUR CORPORATION SLANDERED AND THREATED HIM.

 

WHEN THE SITUATION GOT TO THIS POINT WE DECIDED FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR CHILDREN, TO PUT OUR CORPORATION ON SALE TO MR. ROGERS BUT HE COULDN?T PAY. THAT IS WHY THE MEMBERS OF ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? HAVE TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY WE HAD RENTED AND PROCEED LEGAL ACTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN AN ILLEGAL MANNER.

 

WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS NOT AND THERE WAS NEVER WAS DURING THE FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS OF OPERATION ANY CONTRACT WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS TO PROMOTE OUR SERVICES THROUGH THE INTERNET, A WEB PAGE ?ABUNDANT LIFE ACEDEMY? WHERE HE APPOINTS HIMSELF AS THE DIRECTOR OF OUR SCHOOL IN MEXICO AND THE ACADEMY OF ABUNDANT LIFE OF UTAH. BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT NEVER EXISTED ANY CONTRACT WITH HIM FOR HIS SERVICES. EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY COMMON AGREEMENT, HOPING THAT HE WOULD CLEAR OUT THE FINANCING STATEMENTS OF HIS BUSSINES IN THE UNITED STATES.

 

SOME OF THE PARENTS, AS WELL AS SOME AMERICAN RESIDENTS THAT ARE NEIGHBORS OF THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? HAVE SPOKEN TO MR. JOSUE APARICIO TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT AND ALSO TO EXPRESS THEIR DISATISFACTION WITH MR. JOHN NIELSEN?S ATTITUDE AND THE LACK OF MORALITY AND ETHICS FROM MR. CRAIG ROGERS.  THEY HAVE ALSO ASKED HIM TO SUPPORT US IN ANY SITUATION THAT WILL CARRY ON IN THE FUTURE.

 

WE ARE REALLY SORRY FOR WHAT UNFORTUNATELY IS HAPPENING NOW, HOWEVER WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUIRED OR DESIRED.

abundantlifeacademyatlakechapala@yahoo.com.mx

 

 

SINCERELY,

ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA, S. DE R.L.

 

 

ADMINISTRATOR

ATTY. PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ

 

 

GENERAL MANAGER

CPA JOSUE R. APARICIO GOMEZ

 

AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE

IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT

 

 



 

"

Craig, any truth to the allegations made about the staff, specifically, Mr. John Nielson?  Who is this guy and why would these people allege he has a bad record in the industry if they didn't have documentation to support such a claim? Second, Karen Burnett has made many posts (since erased) on this forum many of which were aimed at disparaging the character and reputation of Carey Bock.  These posts were vicious and served no better purpose than to try and intimidate Ms. Bock into silence.  Why?  What did Bock know that Ms. Burnett did not want revealed on a public forum?  Back-biting is not the way to boost one's reputation and credibility. The truth is what counts, for better or worse.

[Word of Wisdom]

March 27, 2004  
Dear Concerned Citizen,
On Wednesday Dr. Michael Newdow, a non-practicing lawyer and emergency room doctor, went before the United States Supreme Court to argue for the removal of ?under God? from our Pledge of Allegiance.

 Dr. Newdow is concerned that his daughter is being traumatized when school officials lead her through the Pledge each morning. He believes her school district is violating the First Amendment?s Establishment Clause by requiring schools to lead even willing students in the Pledge.

His 9 year old daughter doesn?t report being traumatized. She and her mother, Sandra Banning, are Christians. Sandra Banning wants ?under God? left in the Pledge. Dr. Newdow is an atheist activist. He and Sandra never married. She has been battling the tenacious Dr. Newdow for years in a series of legal skirmishes over custody of the child.

So if we are being accurate we would say that it is Dr. Newdow who is traumatized that his daughter agrees with her mother and gladly says the words ?one nation under God? every morning in school. If anything is traumatizing Dr. Newdow?s daughter it would most likely be his repeated legal harassment of her and her mother.

He was more honest when he told the court that, ?when I see the flag and I think of pledging allegiance, it?s like I?m getting slapped in the face every time, bam, you know, ?this is a nation under God, your religious belief system is wrong.??

A bit of history is needed lest we become trapped inside Dr. Newdow?s sensibilities.

The separation of church and state does not mean yielding cultural control to the state. In fact, it means the exact opposite. If individuals do not posses inalienable rights based on ?God or God?s nature?, history has taught us that individuals end up under the authority of a powerful few.

Even William of Ockham, that great defender of the individual, a full four hundred years before our forefathers signed the United States Constitution, insisted that our individual liberty comes from God or nature. Our natural positive right of use of things or to make laws and sit rulers can not ultimately be taken away. No ruler or state has absolute power because they can not remove these liberties granted to men by God and nature.

Our founding fathers agreed. Their declared rights of liberty and equality come from God, not from government.
If our liberty comes from a government then that same government can take that liberty away. Our founding fathers believed that government is only the custodian of a liberty derived from a source that is beyond the authority of the state.

In short, we are a nation ?under God?, not ?under itself?.

"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis,
a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

Thomas Jefferson

The French revolution took place just after ours. Their source of liberty was the state. That revolution was short lived. It ended in a reign of terror followed by decades of despotic rule.

Our founder?s insistence on the separation of church and state was to sustain, not diminish, the people?s positive liberty to express their faith, whatever that faith is, even Dr. Newdow?s atheism.

But what would happen if we as a nation all agree with Dr. Newdow and no longer believe in God?

Nietzsche predicted the answer. He asserted that western civilization was built on the fiction that God exists and that he gives meaning to our lives.
Belief in God sustains silly notions such as human equality and individual rights. Once God?s death is finally accepted the west would collapse into a great despair. Totalitarian strong men would be welcomed by the common person who is now hungry for meaning and order in a Godless world.

What is so chilling about Nietzsche?s prediction is that he was right. Following God?s funeral in 19th century Europe, the next century will be remembered as the age of atheistic totalitarianism. Nazism and Communism took 100 million lives, both mocking human equality and individual liberty.

So when our good friends, The Knights of Columbus, proposed in 1954 that Congress add ?under God? to our Pledge of Allegiance the vote was unanimous. Not quite a decade out from its horrifying war with goose-stepping Nazis, America was entering a new conflict, this time a Cold War, with yet another atheistic totalitarian regime.

Atheistic totalitarianism was becoming a real pain in the neck.

"[The words 'under God'] will help us to keep constantly in our minds and hearts the spiritual and moral principles which alone give dignity to man, and upon which our way of life is founded."

President Dwight Eisenhower

Today Dr. Newdow and other evangelical atheists seek to undo all of this. It would be a remarkable concession to the power of the state and to exclusive secularism to decide to remove ?under God? from the pledge.

Why would the court do this?

Because Dr. Newdow and his friends are employing a new strategy. They assert that faith statements can be offensive and violate our privacy. Maybe if we eliminate them from prominence we would all get along better?

But beliefs by their definition are worldviews lacking absolute knowledge.
This would include not only theistic beliefs such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but also secular belief systems such as atheism and scientism. They are all worldviews. Even Dr. Newdow admits his atheism is a ?religious belief system?.

Belief is an integral part of what it means to be human, to be limited in our ability to know. We all are people of faith. The question is faith in what?

This fabricated new right, the right to be protected from being offended by what others believe, has the potential of becoming a moral cancer on America. It is also a ridiculous notion.

A recent poll said that 87% of the American public want ?under God? to remain in the pledge.

It is essential for all of our liberties, including those of Dr. Newdow, that the Supreme Court leave it in.
 
 
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[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-28 15:06:00, Word of Wisdom wrote:

 Once God?s death is finally accepted the west would collapse into a great despair.

If Western civilization keeps producing xtian idiots like you, I say "let it fall down"

[Antigen]

Conservative Christians insist that they haven't evolved. I believe them!

Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense...
-- John Adams, (1788)

[Voice of Wisdom]

"THE FORERUNNER- PREPARING THE WAY"
~by Arthur Wallis.


"Behold, I send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me:
and the Lord whom you seek, shall suddenly come to His temple" (Mal.
3:1).

[Word of Wisdom]

EXPECT MY WORD TO BE MADE MANIFEST

Great and Mighty is the Lord your God and I AM doing great and mighty
acts in your behalf! The I AM has been bridging the gaps with all the
unknowns being bridged for you. There is no area of your life or
calling that I have not moved in ... Now you will see each
uncertainty becoming a certainty.

[The Butcher]

You sap. Have you ever felt the pleasure of hacking someone to death with a cleaver? Or squeezing someone's neck until they turn blue and their eyes bulge out of their head? Or feeling the bones in someone's face break as you connect with a solid punch? There is nothing so spiritually gratifying. It's better to regret something you HAVE done than something that you haven't done...

[Anonymous]

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