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Re: Desisto....
« Reply #300 on: January 12, 2008, 08:09:56 PM »
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I used to work at Desisto as a dorm parent.  All of the stories, all of the allegations, everything that seems too horrible to believe....it's all true.  I was there.  I witnessed a grown man restrain an 18 year old girl the entire day by laying on top of her, from early morning to THE NEXT MORNING!  She had been sitting in the corner staring at the wall for months.  Anyone would go crazy in those cirucmstances.  Then there was all the dorm parent support group crap and required group therapy sessions.  PLEASE!!!  If I had any problems, I wouldn't be working there, I'd be a client.  If you thought outside the box, or didn't think like they did, you were constantly threatened of job termination, and mentally abused.  I used to work in a lovely little place called "the farm".  It was for the kids that were acting out the most.  This hell hole was located in the basement.  It was the summer time and all of the windows were sealed.  Granted they had air conditioning, but it was only in the main room, not in any of the bedrooms.  There was mold and bugs and spiders.  For the girls who refused to bathe, it made it unbearable.  The children were essentially "closed off" from the rest of society, only doing chores and working around the campus.  There was no leasure time for activity.  The only time they had to sit around was spent in group therapy sessions.  
The incident that sent me packing occured the night I literally walked out without notice.  A girl had seperated herself from the group.  Her punishment for doing that was to strip to her underwear, and lay on a mattress in the center of the room with no sheet, pillows, or blankets.  The door had to remain open at all times, and a staff worker, woman OR MAN, had to sit and watch this child all night.  
I am SO GLAD the school closed.  I get physically ill just thinking about the living conditions, let alone how children AND staff were treated.


what time period did you work there?
Did anyone go to prison, or even be punished in the slightest way?
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« Reply #301 on: January 12, 2008, 08:58:16 PM »
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I WAS THERE DURING THAT TIME TOO, MY NAME IS CARTER MARLOW. IF YOU CAN TALK TO ME I AM BOOTDISK7@MSN.COM PR AIM= BOOTDISK7.........I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO PEOPLE FROM THERE AGAIN. DO YOU REMEMBER JAMAL ROBERTS?

Q. I simply ask, why is PUNISHMENT the solution with regards to the narrow group of behaviors which encompass illegal drug use....?

A.Pharmaceutical Business, both legal and illegal, run by the same people either way, money coming to the middle from both ends.  Bush.
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hi carter your aim doesn't work..is there any other way to reach you?
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« Reply #302 on: January 13, 2008, 06:39:17 PM »
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Michael DeSisto was a caring counselor and to some degree a real psychic.  I worked at DeSisto School for about 1 year.  The reason I worked there was because of Michael.  Michael is obviously not perfect, but he does have the tremedous ability to get through to difficult teenagers.  



DeSisto school has numerous flaws, I must admit.  From the whole 'farming' idea, the cornering and the restraining, it definitely was unconventional disciplining methods.  But strangly enough, some students reacted well to the DeSisto system.  I know because I witness the transformation of some of the kids myself when I was a dorm parent at the 'farm'.  



The unique methods applied at the school, only worked because Michael was personally involved.  Now Michael has died, I do not believe the staff remaining at the school, new or old, could effectively utilize Michael's educational philosophies to benefit the school's students.  I would have to agree that there is no benefit in a parent sending their child to DeSisto School, because DeSisto School is not a special school anymore.  It is now just another school...  


Yes, your master with “psychic powersâ€
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Re: sheeting Desisto School one of the many punishments
« Reply #303 on: January 13, 2008, 10:02:03 PM »
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Hi anonymous staff, curious who you are? I attened Desisto and experienced sheeting on the farm. Yes, the majority of my stay at Desisto I cleaned which did not allow for much free time. Sometimes we were allowed to go to school, but that was a joke. I doubt that half of the teachers were certified to teach the subject they were teaching. Most of our time was spent cleaning. We spent 1 hour in the DR 3 times a day if the dorm was not farmed. We cleaned up after every meal. That was called being a waiter unpaid work. We spent a great deal of time in dorm meetings discussing why people were not following the rules, yelling at students who broke a rule and figuring out a collective punishment for those people. This was called therapy. Yelling and being mean to students, when they finally cried about it, they were taken care of by other students and friended. Then they paid $2. per day for being friended. It took the student getting everyone's vote to get unfriended. If more than half of the dorm was friended or buddied the dorm because grouped, hand held, or eventually farmed.
Being farmed meant that you did not attend school and that you were in dorm meetings most of the day, later you might do a few hours of work crews manual labor outside. Eating meals in the lobby of the dorm.
There was a special place on campus called the FARM. Kids were sent to the farm if they were causing too much trouble on campus. I was personally sent to the farm 3 times for long stays. I remember being on the farm and I was growing tired of work crews. My girlfriend L and I decided to protest the work and baracaded ourselves in the girls bedroom. This was easy because the windows had been locked already preventing access inside or out. This I am sure was a fire hazard. We pushed the closet in front of the doorm and the bed infront of that. There was not way the door could be opened. The staff member was furious and he eventually broke in through a window only to drag us out of there and push us around. We were yelled at etc. The staff at Desisto around this time were about to go on retreat and this staff was about to have a weekend off or a week off. He yelled at us and then turned us over to the level 3 students for punishment. The students some of which did not like me decided that I was to be sheeted. This meant that my clothes were removed and I was in my underwear. I was given a sheet to wear like a toga. I was dragged into the girls room for privacy while the 5 or 6 girls held me down and removed my clothes. This was a terrible experience. That being said it only got worse. I was told to stand in the corner of the lobby, silenced, restricted of food and water until someone deciced I deserved it. I rebelled and refused to stand and was held up in the corner. This resulted in a physical tassle and eventually I was allowed to lay on the floor. I was sobbing on the floor for many days. Eventually I was given a chair to sit in and was yelled at for not sitting properly. The level 4 in charge said he would bash my fucking head through the wall if I did not sit the right way. My feet had to be on the floor. My back hurt and my pride from embarrassment. I physically was exhausted. I think I was allowed to eat a peanut butter and jelly sand witch and water. I was taunted by other farmers and made fun of. My therapist, Dorthoy later decided to visit me on the farm and I was made fun of by her. She called me a mule and was no help what so ever. She was a new ineffective therapist that did not last long at Desisto.
I made a superficial cut on my arm out of anger about having been sheeted and a level 4 came down held me down and cut all of my finger nails so short my fingers hurt. That hurt more than anything as I was used to having long fingernails. I was wake shifted at night in my sheet by staff members and eventually one of the supervisors decided to unsheet me. I believe I was sheeted for 5 or 6 days possibly longer. That week was a blur. After that I was eventually sent to a psychiatric facility and I believe after this traumatic incident I quit talking for a long period of time. I was in schock from what happened and did not believe anyone cared about me. I asked to call my parents and I was denied access to a phone because I was on the farm. I asked if I could speak to the police because I felt that my rights had been violated. No luck with that either.
There were other things that happened I believe just as harmful to a teenager. We had sitting meetings if someone took something or moved something with out admitting it. We would not be allowed to attend school and were made it sit in the dining room in a large circle. No one was allowed to talk and you had to sit all day long until bedtime. 7am-9pm sometimes 10pm. Sitting in chairs like this is terrible for most bodies but especially teenagers. Most teens and children have a tremendous amount of energy so it is really hard to sit all day, not talk, and wait patiently until Michael and the staff agree that the sitting can stop. Eventually enough people would run away and we would stop. Usually this time was a great time to do your turn ins and admit the things you have done wrong. Breaking group friend, not doing homework, normal sexual activity such as holding hands and kissing were forbidden. Knowing that someone would run away and helping them... Staff occasionally would do their turn ins and admit to using drugs or alcohol etc. That was really amusing to hear your 20 year old dorm parent admit to the stuff that most of the kids had been sent there for. THese were the people taking care of us. Desisto normally hired young staff barely out of college people Michael could manipulate. Staff frequently were fired which would mean that they would have to work on their issues and recieve half the pay or no pay. Now that in my opinon goes to show how much control michael had. I bet the staff followed along for fear of losing their jobs. I also think that most staff got off on the power that they had and enjoyed the drauma of it all. Why would you work at a place like that? Did you really think you were helping children? I believe that staff were not trained properly because if you had been trained you would know there are ethics and laws protecting children and children's rights. Never should other children hold down other children yet this was encouraged at times. Often the person in the limit structure would be purposely provoked so they would feel their intense feelings of anger and helplessness which would further cause them to freak out even more. Limit structures lasted hours and we got in trouble if we did not hold down the kids that were going to run away or hurt someone etc.
I will never forget a specific incident that happend after I had been at Desisto about 2 weeks. I was in the new girls dorm. My dorm parent was an 18 year old former student of Desisto. She herself had been there for years. One of the students was refusing to clean during mandatory saturday cleanup. This special cleaning day happened on Saturdays and many times lasted until Sunday where you deep cleaned the already clean down. Also you recieved new bed sheets at this time. The girl was put in an empty room where she was told to stay. She laid down on the bed and that caused the dorm parent and other girls to feel angry. She was told to sit up in the bed. This quickly escalated into a power struggle where she and the dorm parent got into a physical fight. The dorm parents hair was pulled and the student was harmed and then the dorm parent punched the door of her apartment and stayed in her apartment to cool down. Then the girls took over and someone decided to throw the aggressive student into a limit structure yet the dorm parent was equally aggressive. Staff were not put in limit structures even when they looked like they needed one. This girl had a history of abuse and the girls held her down only to taunt her about her history of abuse. The girls said specific cruel things to the girl to purposely remind her of her rapes. She freaked out even more and was held down longer. This was a terrible day for all of us but especially this young girl. That incident still haunts me. Now this was considered therapy at the school. I am serious. That was considered therapy that I guess was supposed to improve peoples emotional state and behavior. Therapy was actually harmful most of the time. It was mean, cruel, and in some cases psychological torchure.
I remember once during the later part of my stay at Desisto I was in regular Girls dorm and I was a level 2 or 3. I was not friended or buddied which meant that I was a trusted student and that I was to carry more responsibility. Many of the other dorms on campus were not doing well. The NG dorm was farmed and the NB dorm was farmed. I think that Reg. Boys was also farmed. We got a new boy admitted to the school and staff and kids feared that he was a runaway risk. The new boys dorm could not be trusted to watch and shift this boy so the other students around campus had to do it even during the night time. This lasted many days and nights more than 3. I was told that I had to wake up in the middle of the night to do one or two hours of waking shifting this new boy. I protested because sleep has always been important for my self care. Also I was afraid to enter a boys dorm and did not want to get harassed or raped. I was told that if I did not do it, I would be expelled off from campus which meant I would lose many priveleges etc. I agreed to wake shift this new boy though I was scared to death. I was woken up by another student around midnight or one to walk across campus in the middle of the nigght and relieve the other student. I had to do this 2 or 3 nights in a row or else be expelled. The things that I had to do there were not safe. I was possibly 17 or 18 years old. My parents told me I had to graduate which meant not getting expelled off. I knew this so I agreed to waking shifting in the middle of the night.
Eventually we had a sitting meeting in our dorm and we were farmed as well. That was a terrible year for me. And the story continues to get worse.
I was told by my parents that I had to graduate from Desisto. I was about to turn 18. Many kids left at 18 because they can not keep you as easily. Eventually Michael, the owner got fed up with his level 4 graduating dorm and he walked all the level 4's and threw them out of the school. This was the graduating class. They had worked hard to be where they were. Michael just threw them out and the whole school was sitting at that time and we elected a new student body called Stewards. I was elected Head Steward with my friend, S. We were to run the new stewardship but had to live in Reg. kids dorms which meant that we did not get the perks that the level 4's had. That was too bad. It was considered a luxury to be in the level 4 dorm away from campus and closer to Michael.
Michael kept telling me to come by his house more and more at night as he wanted me to report on the dorms I was in charge of. I often told him I was busy with chores or asked if I could come by during the day time. I tried to take another student with me because going to his house was creepy. On several occasions he was not fully dressed. Once he told me to come by early in the morning. I knocked on his front door. He yelled come in. I entered and stood in the kitchen and he came out of his bed room to greet me in his blue calvin klein underwear and was buttoning his shirt. I looked away and told him he should not have had me come in if he was not dressed. Once a friend of mine, L. begged me to go with her to his house at night because she needed his permission to go home on vacation. We knocked on his door and he said come in. He was in his bed in his bedroom not dressed. He was angry at this student for bringing me along and angry at her telling her he would not give her a vacation. He wanted us to sit on the bed with him but I refused and we left.
Once Michael asked me to escort him and another new boy to the mall for clothes shopping. Michael insisted on buying me some clothes despite my insistance that I did not want or need them. He bought me gifts which set me apart from all my friends that were not allowed off campus and did not recieve gifts. Michael frequently did that. He would give some students special priveleges or gifts which caused jealously among the students. I always thought that he was sexually abusing the boys though I never could express that. I have heard other students say that they too witnessed Michael's inappropriate advances and that he was not always dressed. This was the head of the school the master therapist.
And one time I went to Michael's house when I was head steward and he was in his bath robe. He wanted me to sit with him on the couch. He wanted to get to know me and bond with me. I told him that I did not want to sit down and asked why I was there. This was late at night around 9 or 10 when the rest of the school was going to bed. This type of inappropriate behavior led me to believe that I may be abused by the owner of the school and I was in a bind because I was told by my parents that I had to graduate. Graduating meant having a relationship with this troubled man. Eventually I became suicidal and was sent to a psych hospital. Also at that time I was in charge of the farm, a place I knew well. There was a young boy freaking out on the farm. I could not figure out why this boy was so angry, I suspected abuse though I could not prove anything. Eventually the staff member on the farm was caught abusing boys and he was arrested and thrown in jail. This came out when I was in the hospital. Michael visited me when I was at the hospital and I believe to intimidate me and make sure I did not say anything to get him or others in trouble.
I even told the staff of the hospital and my parents about the abuse but I was later sent back to the school for anotehr 2 months before being withdrawn. I can not believe that my parents and the hospital staff did nothing about the abuse. I believe that noone cared what happened to me or my friends. That is the truth. No one cared.
When teens have trouble people believe they deserve the treatment they get when in fact the teens in trouble need help. Usually it is the whole family that needs help but the teen is singled out and sent away thrown out like a bag of trash.
There are more memories and bad times but this is a glimpse of what transpired during the years of 1988 - 1992 and beyond.
I was pretty sure that staff were having sexual relations with friends but could not prove it. I felt it was not my business.
I know this is a long post but it feels good to speak my truth and let others know what happened at The Crazy School, the Desisto School.
I celebrate the day Michael dies and I celebrate it like a national holiday. I am glad that the school closed down.
Still healing. Love to all of you who were there or were in a place that was just as terrible.
If I were a staff member at the school, I would feel really bad that I worked in a place that abused kids every day. I think it is a crime that child services was not called. Almost every day I was there, the child services could have been called about something. Staff should have been intelligent enough to know right from wrong. It just goes to show that staff were not educated or trained to work in a place for troubled teens.
I feel that the students are owed an aopolgy for all the wrongs and harms done to them. I have not recieved an apology for anything that happened.
At this point, all I want is validation that those experiences were wrong and that someone is sorry about it. There are hundreds of kids that are still suffering today because of what they went though at that place.
I know I am not the only one that feels this way.
If anyone doubts the stories I tell, I can find other students to verify that I am telling the truth.
Feeling better from telling part of my story to a group that I know understands. KM
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Re: Desisto School
« Reply #304 on: January 18, 2008, 06:29:37 PM »
This "school" used systematic sexual abuse to keep their captives in line.

Forced public nudity as punishment, and as day to day life (adolescents forcibly bathed each other, "observed" kids who weren't trusted, go to the bathroom and shower, and stripped searched each other) helped break the kids sense of self, right and wrong, and personal integrity. The worst thing? That something was really wrong at the Desisto cult was known within the community. No authorities did anything about it. The number of deaths because of this thought reform soft and hard-torture center is unknown. I hazard a guess of 1000? What is the exact body count, i wonder?
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Re: Desisto School
« Reply #305 on: July 02, 2008, 07:51:48 PM »
what happened to the posts here?

can some one tell me how to get in touch with former desisto prisoners?
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Re: sheeting Desisto School one of the many punishments
« Reply #306 on: July 02, 2008, 09:10:59 PM »
Hi anonymous staff, curious who you are? I attened Desisto and experienced sheeting on the farm. Yes, the majority of my stay at Desisto I cleaned which did not allow for much free time. Sometimes we were allowed to go to school, but that was a joke. I doubt that half of the teachers were certified to teach the subject they were teaching. Most of our time was spent cleaning. We spent 1 hour in the DR 3 times a day if the dorm was not farmed. We cleaned up after every meal. That was called being a waiter unpaid work. We spent a great deal of time in dorm meetings discussing why people were not following the rules, yelling at students who broke a rule and figuring out a collective punishment for those people. This was called therapy. Yelling and being mean to students, when they finally cried about it, they were taken care of by other students and friended. Then they paid $2. per day for being friended. It took the student getting everyone's vote to get unfriended. If more than half of the dorm was friended or buddied the dorm because grouped, hand held, or eventually farmed.
Being farmed meant that you did not attend school and that you were in dorm meetings most of the day, later you might do a few hours of work crews manual labor outside. Eating meals in the lobby of the dorm.
There was a special place on campus called the FARM. Kids were sent to the farm if they were causing too much trouble on campus. I was personally sent to the farm 3 times for long stays. I remember being on the farm and I was growing tired of work crews. My girlfriend L and I decided to protest the work and baracaded ourselves in the girls bedroom. This was easy because the windows had been locked already preventing access inside or out. This I am sure was a fire hazard. We pushed the closet in front of the doorm and the bed infront of that. There was not way the door could be opened. The staff member was furious and he eventually broke in through a window only to drag us out of there and push us around. We were yelled at etc. The staff at Desisto around this time were about to go on retreat and this staff was about to have a weekend off or a week off. He yelled at us and then turned us over to the level 3 students for punishment. The students some of which did not like me decided that I was to be sheeted. This meant that my clothes were removed and I was in my underwear. I was given a sheet to wear like a toga. I was dragged into the girls room for privacy while the 5 or 6 girls held me down and removed my clothes. This was a terrible experience. That being said it only got worse. I was told to stand in the corner of the lobby, silenced, restricted of food and water until someone deciced I deserved it. I rebelled and refused to stand and was held up in the corner. This resulted in a physical tassle and eventually I was allowed to lay on the floor. I was sobbing on the floor for many days. Eventually I was given a chair to sit in and was yelled at for not sitting properly. The level 4 in charge said he would bash my fucking head through the wall if I did not sit the right way. My feet had to be on the floor. My back hurt and my pride from embarrassment. I physically was exhausted. I think I was allowed to eat a peanut butter and jelly sand witch and water. I was taunted by other farmers and made fun of. My therapist, Dorthoy later decided to visit me on the farm and I was made fun of by her. She called me a mule and was no help what so ever. She was a new ineffective therapist that did not last long at Desisto.
I made a superficial cut on my arm out of anger about having been sheeted and a level 4 came down held me down and cut all of my finger nails so short my fingers hurt. That hurt more than anything as I was used to having long fingernails. I was wake shifted at night in my sheet by staff members and eventually one of the supervisors decided to unsheet me. I believe I was sheeted for 5 or 6 days possibly longer. That week was a blur. After that I was eventually sent to a psychiatric facility and I believe after this traumatic incident I quit talking for a long period of time. I was in schock from what happened and did not believe anyone cared about me. I asked to call my parents and I was denied access to a phone because I was on the farm. I asked if I could speak to the police because I felt that my rights had been violated. No luck with that either.
There were other things that happened I believe just as harmful to a teenager. We had sitting meetings if someone took something or moved something with out admitting it. We would not be allowed to attend school and were made it sit in the dining room in a large circle. No one was allowed to talk and you had to sit all day long until bedtime. 7am-9pm sometimes 10pm. Sitting in chairs like this is terrible for most bodies but especially teenagers. Most teens and children have a tremendous amount of energy so it is really hard to sit all day, not talk, and wait patiently until Michael and the staff agree that the sitting can stop. Eventually enough people would run away and we would stop. Usually this time was a great time to do your turn ins and admit the things you have done wrong. Breaking group friend, not doing homework, normal sexual activity such as holding hands and kissing were forbidden. Knowing that someone would run away and helping them... Staff occasionally would do their turn ins and admit to using drugs or alcohol etc. That was really amusing to hear your 20 year old dorm parent admit to the stuff that most of the kids had been sent there for. THese were the people taking care of us. Desisto normally hired young staff barely out of college people Michael could manipulate. Staff frequently were fired which would mean that they would have to work on their issues and recieve half the pay or no pay. Now that in my opinon goes to show how much control michael had. I bet the staff followed along for fear of losing their jobs. I also think that most staff got off on the power that they had and enjoyed the drauma of it all. Why would you work at a place like that? Did you really think you were helping children? I believe that staff were not trained properly because if you had been trained you would know there are ethics and laws protecting children and children's rights. Never should other children hold down other children yet this was encouraged at times. Often the person in the limit structure would be purposely provoked so they would feel their intense feelings of anger and helplessness which would further cause them to freak out even more. Limit structures lasted hours and we got in trouble if we did not hold down the kids that were going to run away or hurt someone etc.
I will never forget a specific incident that happend after I had been at Desisto about 2 weeks. I was in the new girls dorm. My dorm parent was an 18 year old former student of Desisto. She herself had been there for years. One of the students was refusing to clean during mandatory saturday cleanup. This special cleaning day happened on Saturdays and many times lasted until Sunday where you deep cleaned the already clean down. Also you recieved new bed sheets at this time. The girl was put in an empty room where she was told to stay. She laid down on the bed and that caused the dorm parent and other girls to feel angry. She was told to sit up in the bed. This quickly escalated into a power struggle where she and the dorm parent got into a physical fight. The dorm parents hair was pulled and the student was harmed and then the dorm parent punched the door of her apartment and stayed in her apartment to cool down. Then the girls took over and someone decided to throw the aggressive student into a limit structure yet the dorm parent was equally aggressive. Staff were not put in limit structures even when they looked like they needed one. This girl had a history of abuse and the girls held her down only to taunt her about her history of abuse. The girls said specific cruel things to the girl to purposely remind her of her rapes. She freaked out even more and was held down longer. This was a terrible day for all of us but especially this young girl. That incident still haunts me. Now this was considered therapy at the school. I am serious. That was considered therapy that I guess was supposed to improve peoples emotional state and behavior. Therapy was actually harmful most of the time. It was mean, cruel, and in some cases psychological torchure.
I remember once during the later part of my stay at Desisto I was in regular Girls dorm and I was a level 2 or 3. I was not friended or buddied which meant that I was a trusted student and that I was to carry more responsibility. Many of the other dorms on campus were not doing well. The NG dorm was farmed and the NB dorm was farmed. I think that Reg. Boys was also farmed. We got a new boy admitted to the school and staff and kids feared that he was a runaway risk. The new boys dorm could not be trusted to watch and shift this boy so the other students around campus had to do it even during the night time. This lasted many days and nights more than 3. I was told that I had to wake up in the middle of the night to do one or two hours of waking shifting this new boy. I protested because sleep has always been important for my self care. Also I was afraid to enter a boys dorm and did not want to get harassed or raped. I was told that if I did not do it, I would be expelled off from campus which meant I would lose many priveleges etc. I agreed to wake shift this new boy though I was scared to death. I was woken up by another student around midnight or one to walk across campus in the middle of the nigght and relieve the other student. I had to do this 2 or 3 nights in a row or else be expelled. The things that I had to do there were not safe. I was possibly 17 or 18 years old. My parents told me I had to graduate which meant not getting expelled off. I knew this so I agreed to waking shifting in the middle of the night.
Eventually we had a sitting meeting in our dorm and we were farmed as well. That was a terrible year for me. And the story continues to get worse.
I was told by my parents that I had to graduate from Desisto. I was about to turn 18. Many kids left at 18 because they can not keep you as easily. Eventually Michael, the owner got fed up with his level 4 graduating dorm and he walked all the level 4's and threw them out of the school. This was the graduating class. They had worked hard to be where they were. Michael just threw them out and the whole school was sitting at that time and we elected a new student body called Stewards. I was elected Head Steward with my friend, S. We were to run the new stewardship but had to live in Reg. kids dorms which meant that we did not get the perks that the level 4's had. That was too bad. It was considered a luxury to be in the level 4 dorm away from campus and closer to Michael.
Michael kept telling me to come by his house more and more at night as he wanted me to report on the dorms I was in charge of. I often told him I was busy with chores or asked if I could come by during the day time. I tried to take another student with me because going to his house was creepy. On several occasions he was not fully dressed. Once he told me to come by early in the morning. I knocked on his front door. He yelled come in. I entered and stood in the kitchen and he came out of his bed room to greet me in his blue calvin klein underwear and was buttoning his shirt. I looked away and told him he should not have had me come in if he was not dressed. Once a friend of mine, L. begged me to go with her to his house at night because she needed his permission to go home on vacation. We knocked on his door and he said come in. He was in his bed in his bedroom not dressed. He was angry at this student for bringing me along and angry at her telling her he would not give her a vacation. He wanted us to sit on the bed with him but I refused and we left.
Once Michael asked me to escort him and another new boy to the mall for clothes shopping. Michael insisted on buying me some clothes despite my insistance that I did not want or need them. He bought me gifts which set me apart from all my friends that were not allowed off campus and did not recieve gifts. Michael frequently did that. He would give some students special priveleges or gifts which caused jealously among the students. I always thought that he was sexually abusing the boys though I never could express that. I have heard other students say that they too witnessed Michael's inappropriate advances and that he was not always dressed. This was the head of the school the master therapist.
And one time I went to Michael's house when I was head steward and he was in his bath robe. He wanted me to sit with him on the couch. He wanted to get to know me and bond with me. I told him that I did not want to sit down and asked why I was there. This was late at night around 9 or 10 when the rest of the school was going to bed. This type of inappropriate behavior led me to believe that I may be abused by the owner of the school and I was in a bind because I was told by my parents that I had to graduate. Graduating meant having a relationship with this troubled man. Eventually I became suicidal and was sent to a psych hospital. Also at that time I was in charge of the farm, a place I knew well. There was a young boy freaking out on the farm. I could not figure out why this boy was so angry, I suspected abuse though I could not prove anything. Eventually the staff member on the farm was caught abusing boys and he was arrested and thrown in jail. This came out when I was in the hospital. Michael visited me when I was at the hospital and I believe to intimidate me and make sure I did not say anything to get him or others in trouble.
I even told the staff of the hospital and my parents about the abuse but I was later sent back to the school for anotehr 2 months before being withdrawn. I can not believe that my parents and the hospital staff did nothing about the abuse. I believe that noone cared what happened to me or my friends. That is the truth. No one cared.
When teens have trouble people believe they deserve the treatment they get when in fact the teens in trouble need help. Usually it is the whole family that needs help but the teen is singled out and sent away thrown out like a bag of trash.
There are more memories and bad times but this is a glimpse of what transpired during the years of 1988 - 1992 and beyond.
I was pretty sure that staff were having sexual relations with friends but could not prove it. I felt it was not my business.
I know this is a long post but it feels good to speak my truth and let others know what happened at The Crazy School, the Desisto School.
I celebrate the day Michael dies and I celebrate it like a national holiday. I am glad that the school closed down.
Still healing. Love to all of you who were there or were in a place that was just as terrible.
If I were a staff member at the school, I would feel really bad that I worked in a place that abused kids every day. I think it is a crime that child services was not called. Almost every day I was there, the child services could have been called about something. Staff should have been intelligent enough to know right from wrong. It just goes to show that staff were not educated or trained to work in a place for troubled teens.
I feel that the students are owed an aopolgy for all the wrongs and harms done to them. I have not recieved an apology for anything that happened.
At this point, all I want is validation that those experiences were wrong and that someone is sorry about it. There are hundreds of kids that are still suffering today because of what they went though at that place.
I know I am not the only one that feels this way.
If anyone doubts the stories I tell, I can find other students to verify that I am telling the truth.
Feeling better from telling part of my story to a group that I know understands. KM
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Re: Desisto School
« Reply #307 on: July 19, 2008, 01:52:23 AM »
What "code words" do you remember desisto using?

Code words are words that are abstract and have subconscious coercive pressure. You don't react to the actual meaning of the word, but the feelings behind the word. Also, the word means something other than it does in outside of the cult.

Some words I remember:
1)justifying (means not being self hating enough for an action/issue supposedly wrong/insane)
2)manipulating (meaningless word that implied the individual was tricking some target in some way. It was most famously applied to shame youth for telling adults the truth about abuse)
3) trust: ( you "broke" someone's trust. You "gave" someone your trust. Meaning, you broke a rule, and you put your faith that in someone that they would not break rules. This way when someone was disobedient, they were not "rebels"
or simple rule-breakers, they were slimy, untrustworthy scum)

So, my friends: What other thoughts on Desisto's "special" words do you have? What words had "secret" meanings, genuinely "manipulative power," and were used in contradiction of what the word really meant?
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« Reply #308 on: July 19, 2008, 04:12:34 AM »
For those who need to contact other survivors, I can inform you, that the Fornits Wiki article on Desisto School has link a link to a msn and a myspace group of survivors.

The article could use additional information.
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« Reply #309 on: July 28, 2008, 09:32:57 PM »
I'm not sure how I got to this site, but I'm glad to see that people are able to talk/write about their experience at DeSisto.  I have mixed feelings about the place.  The students were absolutely beautiful human beings.  I taught there over 20 years ago and still think about many of them with loving kindness.  Michael, however, was far too egocentric to be doing that kind of work.  Somewhere along the way, he decided that the work of the school was all about him....well, he did name the school after himself.  I do not regret having worked there, but I am glad I ran away!
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« Reply #310 on: August 02, 2008, 02:37:25 PM »
There were no students at desisto, there were captives and captives turned into brainwashed enforcers.
 If we, the "students," tried to leave, the other "students" who acted as guards in return for being abused to a lesser extent and the promise of future freedom, would restrain us (beat us).


This would be followed by some other torture, and an extension of the worst abuses which were lifted in tandem with the degree we convinced our peers, peer/staff, and staff, that we believed Desisto helped us and that we "needed" desisto. You'd have to believe you were addicted to drugs or were a sex addict, whatever they wanted you to believe about yourself, regardless if it was actually true. You had to denounce yourself, and give the appearance you relished being abused and relished abusing others

 Did you not see the abuse when you were there? How did you get involved with the coercive thought reform gulag?
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« Reply #311 on: September 10, 2008, 10:30:08 PM »
I love when people say they have mixed feelings about this place.
I wish my feelings were mixed. Rights were violated for years, kids abused and humiliated, sexually and emotionally. Including my own. Nope, no mixed feelings here. Just still listening to people saying why they stayed on for so many years and who they miss and how it changed and he changed, etc. etc. But no one did anything.

roomed, ghosted, suited, stand-ed, cornered, hand-held, double hand-held, shifted, otr, friended, put on hours, farmed, popped, super cleaning, go to the farm
...its almost too ridiculous to remember, no?



There's a comment far back--a question thatI'll try to answer. Someone had asked about a lawsuit from a student dying in Florida. I may be way off base but there was a lawsuit (early to mid 90's) when a student ran away from the school, was considered OTR. Desisto instructed the family to refuse his phone calls and pleas for help and tell him to return to school--what they always tell parents to say. Anyway, allegedly he hitchhiked down FL and was murdered on the way home. That's one lawsuit regarding FL and probably what you were talking about.  I only remember because during hours outside one day,we found a bag with the kid's shirt stashed in the woods.
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« Reply #312 on: December 20, 2008, 08:38:59 PM »
I went to Desisto from 1983 to 1984. Against my will, of course. I was 16 and 17. I hated it so much. Though it sounds like it got far worse in years after I was there. Lots of verbal abuse. Lots of bizarre things. I remember lots of "sitting" whenever something was missing. We'd have to sit for hours until someone confessed. Often no one did and we sat all that time for no purpose.

I ran away from the place one time. But being on the road with no money and no place to go seemed worse than the awful life at Desisto I ran away from. I returned and was put on "hours" for running away. The schooling was a joke there too. When I returned to my public school after a year at Desisto I had to repeat the junior high school year I supposedly got at Desisto.

Michael himself was truly bizarre. The other high ups were likewise odd and mostly uncaring. Although there was one very nice man to me. The dorm "parents" were also mostly sarcastic and difficult, but there was one very nice woman. And also one man who though difficult and bizarre at times, took a liking to me and we had a certain connection. So I was grateful that there was a few good ones among the craziness there.

The other students could often be mean and abusive. But many had real problems and the Desisto system hardly was adequately and appropriately addressing their needs. And there were a few nice ones among them too, thankfully.

At least they permitted boyfriend-girlfriend relationships there, including openly kissing. And no sex was allowed, which is also obviously a wise policy. Problem is, I never had a girlfriend there. I imagine the students who had someone special like that were really helped a great deal in coping with the rest of the nonsense.

I am thankful I never suffered anything like others have described. But the mental pain the whole experience caused me has continued even to this day, 24 years later, in the form of bad dreams about this place. Ever since I left Desisto, I have at times dreamed I was back there again. What an awful feeling it is to think I am stuck back there, having to wait months for the next week homecoming visit. Then upon awaking and realizing it was just a dream comes relief again. Such dreams were far more frequent at first. Now they are very rare. Yet, once in a while I still have such a nightmare. That is a testament to just how much that place affected me.

I hope my fellow students who were still there after I left were also able to get out soon (by their parents withdrawing them from the school, NOT by running away) and have not been too scarred from the experience there. I hope they were able to get the real help they needed for their particular problems and have been living happy and healthy lives all the years since.
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« Reply #313 on: December 20, 2008, 08:56:03 PM »
Quote from: "Moe"
I went to Desisto from 1983 to 1984. Against my will, of course. I was 16 and 17. I hated it so much. Though it sounds like it got far worse in years after I was there. Lots of verbal abuse. Lots of bizarre things. I remember lots of "sitting" whenever something was missing. We'd have to sit for hours until someone confessed. Often no one did and we sat all that time for no purpose.

I ran away from the place one time. But being on the road with no money and no place to go seemed worse than the awful life at Desisto I ran away from. I returned and was put on "hours" for running away. The schooling was a joke there too. When I returned to my public school after a year at Desisto I had to repeat the junior high school year I supposedly got at Desisto.

Michael himself was truly bizarre. The other high ups were likewise odd and mostly uncaring. Although there was one very nice man to me. The dorm "parents" were also mostly sarcastic and difficult, but there was one very nice woman. And also one man who though difficult and bizarre at times, took a liking to me and we had a certain connection. So I was grateful that there was a few good ones among the craziness there.

The other students could often be mean and abusive. But many had real problems and the Desisto system hardly was adequately and appropriately addressing their needs. And there were a few nice ones among them too, thankfully.

At least they permitted boyfriend-girlfriend relationships there, including openly kissing. And no sex was allowed, which is also obviously a wise policy. Problem is, I never had a girlfriend there. I imagine the students who had someone special like that were really helped a great deal in coping with the rest of the nonsense.

I am thankful I never suffered anything like others have described. But the mental pain the whole experience caused me has continued even to this day, 24 years later, in the form of bad dreams about this place. Ever since I left Desisto, I have at times dreamed I was back there again. What an awful feeling it is to think I am stuck back there, having to wait months for the next week homecoming visit. Then upon awaking and realizing it was just a dream comes relief again. Such dreams were far more frequent at first. Now they are very rare. Yet, once in a while I still have such a nightmare. That is a testament to just how much that place affected me.

I hope my fellow students who were still there after I left were also able to get out soon (by their parents withdrawing them from the school, NOT by running away) and have not been too scarred from the experience there. I hope they were able to get the real help they needed for their particular problems and have been living happy and healthy lives all the years since.

Thank you for posting moe. I was tortured and brainwashed at the desisto “school.” My brain was permanently damaged by it. Hopefully the monsters who did the torturing will be held to account for their criminality in some way, some day.
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« Reply #314 on: December 30, 2008, 03:45:54 PM »
http://desistostudents.multiply.com/   - There's been a group of us for about 7-8 years. Check it out.
Basically Desisto Survivors and some former Faculty.
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