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« Reply #135 on: January 04, 2004, 01:51:00 AM »
Deborah - My son did make a choice, by his behavior and my inability to deal with his choices.  He chose, inadvertantly, to attend a program.  He was not compliant for at least 7 months.  He's a headstrong kid, still is, just in a healthier way.  I really think you are trying to get me to say he was abused, or your definition of abuse.  Not!  He has said that he was abusive to the staff, verbally, on many occasions.  He lost points and priviledges.  Had he been physically abusive, he may have been sent to observation or restrained, but didn't become physically abusive.  What would you expect the staff to do if he were?  If another kid was physically violent I would expect the staff to keep that kid from hurting my son and others.  If they kid was continually causing physical harm, they are told to leave.  These are not programs for physically violent kids.  Any other questions?
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« Reply #136 on: January 04, 2004, 01:56:00 AM »
Deborah - one more thing.  What experience do you have with the "methods of change" at a wwasp school?  Breakdown?  Never heard that one before.
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« Reply #137 on: January 04, 2004, 02:38:00 AM »
I'm not trying to get you to say your son was abused. Leave him out of it.
I asked if you'd continue to support the program if the allegations of abuse were proven.

I noticed you couldn't answer the question without suggesting that abuse is an ocassional occurence.

The allegations, which is what we're discussing, do not support that position, but rather indicate that the BM methods employed on a daily basis are abusive. If you aren't interested in discussing the he said/ she said allegations, then why are you in this discussion, except to defend.

If we only looked at the one common factor to all programs, the isolation/ incarceration of teens who are prevented from communicating with the outside world, they would be considered by many to be abusive. I hear that you don't choose to see that as abuse; but rather a consequence to a child for distressing their parent.

You can twist up the words anyway you choose, but your son did not consciously choose to attend a program- unless he asked to be incarcerated. Given the common definition of choose: to select freely and after consideration; which appears to conflict with the program defintion, I seriously doubt that he chose. I'm more inclined to imagine that his behavior troubled you and you chose to incarcerate him until he was making choices that pleased you.
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« Reply #138 on: January 04, 2004, 02:39:00 AM »
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On 2004-01-03 22:18:00, Deborah wrote:

This is almost pointless to debate as at this point it's heresay, and most likely from a child or children with an agenda of wanting to get out from living with rules, or to get back to their "old life."


No, you're dead wrong here. Much of this info is comming from young adults who are no longer in danger of being shipped back to the program. Or friends of kids who have been through one or more of them.

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« Reply #139 on: January 04, 2004, 03:23:00 AM »
Deborah,

Are you making allegations of abuse?
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« Reply #140 on: January 04, 2004, 03:35:00 AM »
Why can't you answer yes or no? It's a very simple question.
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« Reply #141 on: January 04, 2004, 03:43:00 AM »
Look who's talking,

Why can't you answer a simple no or yes question-

Same to ya-

Are you making allegations of abuse?

Do you have custody?
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« Reply #142 on: January 04, 2004, 04:04:00 AM »
And now you have left the "debate" this thread was intended for and moved into diversion tactics. I'm going to bed on this note: I feel more qualified than you to determine what constitutes "help" and what is and isn't appropriate treatment of minors. Based on the numerous allegations in W and other programs, I believe a caring parent would err on the side of caution and find resources within their community. We will never agree because you have a vested interest in the continuation of your method of choice and the violation of teens rights and humanity. There's nothing further to debate.
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« Reply #143 on: January 04, 2004, 10:54:00 AM »
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/des ... rate.shtml

^explanation of the siminairs; a history lesson

http://www.rockypreps.com/desperate/sit ... ont-pg.htm

^Account of wwasp programs by RockyMt. News

http://archive.salon.com/21st/feature/1 ... ture2.html

hard hitting artical

http://www.csj.org/studyindex/studymind ... lifton.htm

Thought Reform

http://www.rickross.com/reference/brain ... ing19.html

These first articles seem to be from 1998/99. ??

So it's okay to post links for things that are unrelated to wwasp programs, but Deborah wonders why something significant to the process is posted?
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Every one of these links is directly related to the program.
As for your quibbling about dates; if anything has changed since then, I?d like to know what. From my recent experance, it is still exactly so.
AND, I posted links - not the whole long artical; as you did with the greatful under duress statements. That was just plain rude and a waste of space.
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« Reply #144 on: January 04, 2004, 12:39:00 PM »
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On 2004-01-03 23:38:00, Deborah wrote:

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I'm not trying to get you to say your son was abused. Leave him out of it.

I asked if you'd continue to support the program if the allegations of abuse were proven.



I noticed you couldn't answer the question without suggesting that abuse is an ocassional occurence.



The allegations, which is what we're discussing, do not support that position, but rather indicate that the BM methods employed on a daily basis are abusive. If you aren't interested in discussing the he said/ she said allegations, then why are you in this discussion, except to defend.



If we only looked at the one common factor to all programs, the isolation/ incarceration of teens who are prevented from communicating with the outside world, they would be considered by many to be abusive. I hear that you don't choose to see that as abuse; but rather a consequence to a child for distressing their parent.



You can twist up the words anyway you choose, but your son did not consciously choose to attend a program- unless he asked to be incarcerated. Given the common definition of choose: to select freely and after consideration; which appears to conflict with the program defintion, I seriously doubt that he chose. I'm more inclined to imagine that his behavior troubled you and you chose to incarcerate him until he was making choices that pleased you.



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Deborah - I do believe that Ginger asked that attacks be left out of this thread.

I don't get what you are saying about no contact with the outside world?  What program was your child in that he/she didn't have uncensored contact via letters in the beginning?  I also get that you did not agree to the admission and I can emphasize with you wanting to have more than written contact, to be more in control.  For the majority of parents, however, letters are the only way in the beginning.  It is a process to rebuild healthy communication.  The letters in a wwasp school are NOT censored.  The kids can write anything their hearts desire, whether nice, or not.  The family rep also has contact on a weekly basis with the parents. Phone calls follow with your child when it is earned, yes earned, which I agree with, then visits/seminars/off grounds/home passes.  I don't consider this process abusive in any way.  

I see that another anon said her son chose the program by his behavior.  Right on.  No, not consciously, but actions have consequences, and that parent obviously loved her child enough to not lose him to the legal system or other destructive options.  I see that she/he said her kid was headstrong, doesn't sound like it changed his core personality, just helped him use that quality in a more positive way.  

You are assuming way too much - on the negative side. The assumption that a child is admitted because he/she doesn't please the parent is not in the majority, nor do I feel this ANON is a control freak.
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« Reply #145 on: January 04, 2004, 02:36:00 PM »
Here is a sampling of how most parents feel about the so called "smoke" that this small group tries to create-
Parents Outraged at Bogus Smoke

THE FOLLOWING ARE SOME OF THE E-MAILS SENT TO THE WORLD WIDE ASSOCIATION OF SPECIALTY PROGRAMS AND SCHOOLS IN RESPONSE TO KEN KAY'S LETTER.

I am a medical doctor board certified in three specialties. I have published articles in numerous peer-reviewed publications, and I have a son age 16 at Tranquility Bay.

My son spent two years in another program in California before being transferred to Tranquility Bay. He has progressed tremendously in his behavior and his studies since coming to Tranquility Bay. I have visited the facility five times, visiting first before placing him there, each time staying four to five days, and speaking to other students and staff liberally.

Your reporter is fortunate that he works for the New York Times. His article would never pass the muster in a peer-reviewed process. His investigation was incomplete and though he attempted somewhat weakly to give a balanced view, those of us who have been editors in journals can easily see through his mediocre work.

It is unfortunate that your newspaper went through what it did recently. To continue with this type and style of journalism is not in line with your previous reputation.

I have spoken in person and via telephone to numerous parents of children who, thanks to Tranquility Bay, have had their child returned to them whole again.

As a clinician with all the facilities of a major medical center available and which I used to try and help my child, I have done everything a father can for his son. Yet it was Tranquility Bay that has finally given my son what he needed to progress.

I would urge you to counsel your reporter, who may be inexperienced and trying to make a premature name for himself, be more objective and have more solid facts before writing an article. I would then ask you, as an editor, to carefully review what you have been given to approve, and act in behalf of the journalism the New York Times can be proud of.

Andrew C, M.D.

 

My name is Charles B.,  Shylla B. is at Casa by the Sea. Yes you have my approval and permission to use our names on the rebuttal .
Charles B.

 

Please include our names in your rebuttal to Tim Weiner, and the NY Times.

Randy D, AIA

Katherine D, M.T.

Daughter Jacke

 

OK TO USE OUR NAMES.
LEONOR R
MIKE G.

 

Hello,

Please add my name

Dawn S.

 

Recently my husband and I became concerned about our son when we read some of the articles written about the WWASP schools. Since my son was only in the Academy at Ivy Ridge for five weeks we decided the best thing to do was to go up to the school and make a surprise visit. The director of the school had not arrived yet because we intentionally got there very early to make sure that changes could not be preplanned. We were very impressed with the way the school was organized and structured. We saw our son and he looked great! He looked healthy and was smiling and never looked better. He has responsibilities that he is proud of and his school work is excellent. This is a child who had two choices for his future, jail or...I can't even say. No other programs offer the life-changing seminars that our children at the school and their families are getting. Most other programs are more expensive and have less to offer. Putting my son in the Academy of Ivy Ridge has saved his life and it is the best choice my husband and I have ever made. The real problems are the public schools where there is a lack of structure and the drugs run rampant on school grounds.
Signed,
Charlene B

 

I am outraged by the misuse of people's quotes committed by this writer. He knows that he is an irresponsible journalist and apparently doesn't care.

This program is saving my daughter's life. She is moving from not caring about herself and the consequences of her actions to looking forward to a great, productive and happy life. She has moved from an extreme case of negativity and oppositional defiance to really seeing that she is accountable for her choices -- and excited about making good ones. She is at Tranquility Bay and I am thrilled about it.

If this writer wants to make a name for himself through sensational jouranlism, he should consider this: what about the parents who see his articles and, based on his lies and distortions, decide not to put their child into any kind of facility, and the child is subsequently a lost cause in one way or another. There's a sensation for you.

Thank you and I am happy to help in any way I can.

I think a lawsuit is not a bad idea. If a group of parents file the lawsuit, hire an attorney on contingency and sue for lots of money with the stipulation that the award go into a fund to provide tuition for those otherwise unable to pay -- well, then, no one can say we are trying to benefit financially nor is WWASPS -- but it would maybe get the attention of the new york times.

All of us with kids in jamaica -- and even probably the other schools -- are getting the calls from wellmeaning friends and relatives saying, "Oh my God, you have put your child in danger. It has to be bad if the NY Times says so." I am so tired of defending this program. I know it is right for our family. And I am grateful for it --and I am willing to fight for it in the press, the legal system or any other venue.
Thanks,
Mary M

Please add Andrew W. A & Christine A

 

add my name to the list.
Amelia B

 

I have been to Casa by the Sea many times and have always been pleased with the school and staff. I will be going again on Thurs. Thank You for caring about our children.

William and Kim B

 

Jeanna & Lee K

 

Mike and Laurie S

 

Charles and Lynne H

 

James E. and Sandra

 

Mr. Tim Weiner, along with some disgruntled parents have not only misquoted many pro-parents; but he has planted doubts in the minds of many who are in the mist of turmoil with their out of control teens. This is sad. Not only do we as parents run out of options, we have a reporter stirring up a bee hive. This makes me wonder if Mr. Weiner has children, and if he does, what would he do when his son/daughter has exhausted schools, therapists and almost life? For us, we as a family are very grateful for what Dundee and CSA did for our family. I now have my daughter back who will and is experiencing the rest of her teenage years alive, with confidence, self-esteem, and making some very good working choices. Change is good! Perhaps Mr. Weiner could CHANGE the mood he is reporting in and try the honesty, loving, helpful approach!

Debby C, Proud mother

Sarah D, daughter

 

I can only speak from my experience with my daughter Brooke. She was a troubled teen when she went to Casa, and has been a productive student and reliable lifeguard since she returned. I am thankful to WWASP for making that transition possible and returning my daughter to me. Mark W. D

 

John and Koene G

 


My son was a student at Casa by the Sea in Mexico, run by the World Wide
Association, for 15 months. This program totally turned his life around for
the better. He came back from the program with self respect, self esteem,
motivation to succeed, and a true sense of accomplishment. He has qualified
for an academic scholarship at the local university and is currently working
and attending school. He leads a happy, productive life, and has a true
appreciation for family. The program is focused on family healing, and the
benefits that I received from attending the workshops have helped metremendously as well, not only in relating to my son, but in terms of my own
personal individual growth. I support the World Wide Association program
whole heartedly as evidenced by the positive results achieved within my
family.

Maria E. C

I have a daughter at Spring Creek Lodge and am very happy with the program. I had initially been interested in the Costa Rica site, but reconsidered due to the distance and my unfamiliarity with the political situation and rights of an American citizen in a foreign country. Sincerely,

JoAnne K

 

My name is Margaret B and my son, Timothy K, at Academy at Ivy Ridge. He was sent there on April 6 2003. So far I am satisfied with my sons progress.

 

Larry M, Eric and Jessica P

 

To Whom it May Concern:

I absolutely support this program. My daughter, Shanelle F has been in Tranquility Bay since July 2002. After the incident, I was concerned and asked her on one of my "phone calls" with her if everything was all right. She said not to listen to any of the negative things said about the program. She said "I am in a good place, mom-believe me, they are very good people here".

Lets face it, bad news sells. Its a business. This program is the best thing that could have happened to my daughter. I am going thru an extremely hard time financially and they have been more than patient with me. We are all in business to make money, yes, but I have found that these people truly care and want to make a difference in our children's lives. How often do we here that? How about an article on that? Too boring, I guess.

Feel free to contact me. Anyone, about anything.

Beatrice Z

 

I have nothing but positive feedback for Casa. My son has been there almost a year now, and I have seen great improvement and progress.

I have been there twice and have never had a complaint about it.

Even my son, not that he loves it there and would rather be home, but he understands why he is there.

Thank you for the Program

Elaine M, mother of Matthew M ,CBS

 

Ken & Marietta S

 

My son has been at Casa since May 14, 2003. So far I have been very impressed, and I believe in the program. I think they should run our public schools like this and maybe our society wouldn't be where it is

today.

Tammy H

 

Kay Anne G parent of Travis G, 18 1/2 year old choosing to graduate the program at Spring Creek Lodge

 

Patty W

 

Martin and Sylvia B

 

Susan and Wade J

 

I had emailed Mr. Weiner, but evidently there was to
much positive view for him to bother contacting me.

Regards,
Jeff M

 

even though my son has only been in the program 2 months, I know from his letters
that the program is working for him.

Yours Truly,
Barbara W

I contacted Tim Wiener explaining that I would like for him to have a "positive experience" from a SATISFIED WWASP parent - he then contacted me back and said that he would speak to me anytime at my convenience. I received some coaching from Donna Hamel and Dace Goulding and they both mentioned taping the conversations. I felt this was too much of a non-productive way to be in an interview with a NY Times reporter! I come believing everyone is integral until further notice and didn't want to put any more "bad press" our way! I am a happy satisfied family member with this program CASA BY THE SEA has presented us and my family is whole and healthy - finally! I will forever be grateful for the wonderful gifts this program has given me. Because of all the "bad press" my husband's family continues to send us the articles written negatively and will not listen to anything we have to say - they feel we are being brainwashed!

We don't care we are happy!

With warm regards

Todd and LuAnne H - Angela and Joshua W

Chuck and Connie M

 

We love Dundee Academy and give the credit to the staff and
program for saving our son. He would go back tomorrow if it were to open.
This safe place for teens will be missed.

Best Regards,
Eileen F

 

Denise S. P, mother

 

Suellen T

I have personally been to every WWASP related "school," even spent the night at several. On most of my visits I speak with many students. While many of them are students that we have intervened on, some are not. We get constant feedback from kids as well as the parents. I have been very impressed with the "program" as well as the schools themselves

I deal with many schools outside of the WWASP schools and consider these WWASP schools as one of the best when it comes to results and respect towards the students. They are not co-dependent, nor are they enabling with the kids. This is most often NOT liked by the kids during the early part of the process. But then, it's not supposed to be. Recovery is a tough love type of process and these "kids" are entering into recovery. If not for alcohol or drugs, though some are, most definitely for behavior. And behavior can be as addicting as any drug or alcohol that ever came down the pike. The key to any good program is completion. Those that do, generally thrive. It is often difficult; but, the tools, when used, create the atmosphere for change. It is a simple program; but, it is sometimes not easy. But the rewards are great for those that stick it out and allow themselves to be teachable.

As someone who has been in recovery for over six years and spent over twenty years in law enforcement, I can honestly say that I believe in their success and would have no problem sending my 14 year old son to a WWASP school...any of them.

Rick St

Jim and Janet T.

 

IF IT WASN'T FOR CASA MY SON WOULD BE IN JAIL OR DEAD. CASA GAVE HIM HIS LIFE BACK, AND IT ALSO HAS HELPED ME AS A PARENT. THE SEMINARS ARE WONDERFUL. I WISH THE WHOLE WORLD COULD EXPERIENCE THESE SEMINARS. MY SON HAS THANKED ME FOR SENDING HIM TO CASA. HE HAS BECOME A CONFIDENT, RESPECTFUL YOUNG MAN. HE STILL HAS A WAYS TO GO. BUT HE WILL LEAVE CASA WITH DIGNITY.

PARENT

SHARON I

When we sent our son, Duncan Clark, to CSA in October of 2001, I called the State of South Carolina's department dealing with schools such as CSA (possibly all private schools, I don't recall). The case worker I spoke to said they had visited CSA several times, unannounced, and found all was well. She said they had one report of abuse, which they found to be without substance. She mentioned that, when the school opened, there was a licence issue pertaining to, as I recall, a fire exit technicality. Beyond that matter, she reported that all was satisfactory at CSA. Certainly in the 16 months Duncan was at CSA, there were no "licence" issues that we were aware of. Duncan has spoken frankly to us about his experience at CSA and has no issue with abuse. He is doing fine with us, home since March of this year. He is extremely fond and closely connected with several of the staff at CSA (Mr. Gus, Mr. Bo, among others) and talks to "Mr. Rich" with affection.

I mentioned in my email to the NYTimes that I am not totally satisfied with the academic structure at CSA, the inadequate facilities, and the regular confusion between staff and others dealing with meds. However, CSA changed our son for the better, we continue to be a positive reference for CSA, and will continue to support the program.

VTY,

 

Hugh D. C    

 

 

 

Feel free to add my name, Mary Beth M. I support the program 100%!

You have my permission to place my name on the rebuttal. I have also written a personal rebuttal previously with regard to Mr. Weiner's article. Thank you, .Cheryl W. son at Casa By The Sea

 

 

John H.

 

 

You have my permission to use my name in support of the WWASP schools. Nickie L

 

 

Yes, please add my name Laurie and Tony W., daughter at AIR

 

 

My name is Robyn H. and my son Brian is in the program at Casa - PLEASE use my name to support your rebuttal. Thank you. Robyn H

 

 

   Our son was at Academy Dundee ranch for 15 months. We have only the highest regards for the WWASP programs. His time at Dundee allowed him to create a new life for himself, develop maturity and integrity, while looking at our family values. We have absolutely no negative feelings, nor has our son expressed any negative feelings about his time in the program. Please feel free to include our names in any positive rebuttal to the New York times or other media as you should deem necessary. Marland & Paul D.

 

 

I am a mother of a student in the program at casa by the sea based on the results I have seen from parents and students I am nothing but relieved and impressed by the structure of the program I know today that my son is in a safe supportive and well structured environment It is also my experience that the press is not honest in any reports that they have made a decision or judgement about this is a well known proven fact the harm and fear the press stirs up is absolutely criminal. I am more than happy to make these statements in support not only of the program but any other person or institution that is subject their dishonesty and sensationalism. In honor of the press I truly appreciate the honest reporting staff I hope my voice is heard in support of the WWASP  Nicki C.

 

 

You may add our names to the list. Linda & David B

 

 

You have my permission

Steve E.Father of Quinn - Spring Creek Lodge

 

 

Yes you can feel free to use our names in signing the rebuttal. Although we are new to the program we have already seen a change in our daughter since she has been at Cross Creek. I would hate to see some bozo damage this programbecause of some grandstanding and inaccurate reporting.Thanks , Don and Rebecca D.

 

 

Yes! Include me in the protest. The New York times credibility is at an all time low due to stories that were "made up by their reporters". This is another example of the manipulative non sense published by what used to be known as a respected media source. Now, it might as well be a rag like "The Globe", etc. William M.

 

 

Dear Mr. Kay, My husband and I, as parents of a success story from Casa by the Sea, also are disappointed at the lack of integrity that Mr. Weiner demonstrated. This article is in fact so false that the author's persuasion techniques are void. There is a difference between bias, bandwagon phrases, and loaded language and complete lies. By omitting testimonies and changing the context of others, Mr. Weiner can now proudly join those fellow journalists that are plundering the distinguished reputation of the New York Times. Sincerely, Gerry and Katherine C. Please feel free to share this letter with anyone who cares to make a positive difference in this world.

 

 

Dear Ken, Yes, absolutely add my name as a co-signer in support of WWASP, any time to any list/petition you may be writing. I stand behind all the programs 100%. Please use any of the below paragraphs (from my Casa Support Letter) if you like. I have a statement for the Editor at the end. Please use any or all as you wish. Also you have my permission to share/use this letter with other news media or other sources as you see fit. Thank you for including me on the list! I will always be here in support of WWASP. EXCERPTS FROM MY CASA BY THE SEA SUPPORT LETTER: When my son was on an unrelenting path of self-destruction, I began a search for a program that would give him his life back. After receiving information about WWASP, I realized this was an innovative program that not only saved lives, literally, but also promoted whole and healthy families, as well as offering the students a high school and college education.  My son entered Casa by the Sea at the lowest, most dangerous time in his young life, addicted to drugs, a runaway, no direction or goals and extremely low self-esteem. There is no question that he would have died from the lifestyle he led, if he had not been given this opportunity of self-discovery, learning and growth, education, and rebuilding his self-esteem. He has been given life-long tools to use in making positive choices for living a sober, healthy, productive life. I truly know of no other program that offers such opportunities for our teens & families in crisis, as WWASP. Through this program at Casa by The Sea, my son has once again learned to love himself, has positive direction through his choices, and is living a drug free life. He has told me that he would be dead if he was not at Casa by The Sea and he is very thankful I sent him and he intends to learn all he can while he is there. My son has graduated from high school while at Casa By The Sea, and is eagerly taking challenging college courses! He has goals of continuing on in college and getting a degree in business! All this from a young man who was so distraught he was contemplating choosing to end it all. My Statement To The Editor: It is unfortunate that the opinions of the press carry such unrealistic, negative views of these programs, and write out right lies about what goes on in these schools, scaring off young people and their families who are in crisis and would be saved by these programs. It is tragic that the press is misinformed and so easily influenced, and almost exclusively carry the opinions of an unhappy few. The tragedy with this kind of sensationalism is that it has caused severe physical and psychological trauma to families and teens who were already in severe crisis in their lives, with no conscious thought of how it might permanently affect these kids. I absolutely do not want my son's progress to be disrupted because of the press or the negative few.  I am personally asking the State Department to assist in upholding article # 5 and # 18 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Children.  These programs truly SAVE LIVES AND FAMILIES! I am eternally grateful for the constant love, support and guidance from WWASP and all the staff and administration at Casa by the Sea. I would recommend these Programs to any family whose teen is in crisis. I, and all the parents with students in WWASP Programs, thank you for your time. Mandy K. Parent of a son at Casa By The Sea

 

Please do include our name in the letter to the Editor! We cannot say enough good about the program and the fact that after 23 months, our son Louis is home (graduated May 11, 2003) is working a part time job, enrolled in college for the fall semester and is a participating member of our family. He is happy, healthy and alive! He has many hopes and dreams that he knows he can achieve, thanks to the teachings and support from the program. We have all learned and experienced so much through out the seminars and the entire WWASP affiliation. We would do it all over again, without reservation! With Love and Gratitude Lou & Kathleen B.

 

 

Yes you may use my name Giovanna G. in the rebuttal, I support WWASPS 100%. Thanks, Giovanna

 

 

By all means, use my name. And although' this is a difficult time for everyone at WWASP, please be assured that I, as well as many others, appreciate all your organization has done for my family. Let me know if there is anything else I can do. Much love, Susan C.

 

 

Please use my name, you have my full permission. Obviously Mr. Weener oops Weiner doesn't have a child in crisis. Regards, John R.

Cross Creek Step-father

 

 

I sent my son to Carolina Springs Academy, one of the 7 WWASP, on the 27th of December 2002. He was headed for a life of crime and most assuredly to an early death. The program at Carolina Springs created an environment where a miracle could take place inside of him. He is a different child with hopes and dreams and a good dose of self-esteem and worth. I am and will be eternally grateful to the staff of Carolina Springs for giving me a place to send my son where healing can take place in a safe and loving environment.

Chris B  grateful parent

 

 

You have my support, and my permission to add my name to the letter to the editor Of the New York Times. Kathryn M.

 

 

You have my permission to use my name for the letter to the editor. Vickie T

 

 

Jose & Debra M (student: Hector M)You have our permission to add our name to the letter to the editor expressing our support to Tranquillity Bay's program. Regards,

 

 

Yes, you can add my name to the letter you are sending. This whole thing angers me so much. I have had no dealings with Mr. Wiener and I don't care to, but I am now very aware of how someone's statements can be terribly misquoted. I have nothing but wonderful things to say about the Program. My son is at SCL and just came home for his second home pass. It's hard to put into words the gratitude I have for the wonderful people at SCL, the facilitators of the seminars and all of the people that have touched my family's life. My son has such an air of peace about him that I can't remember him having since he was an infant. He is proud of himself, loves himself and has is doing so remarkably well. The Program has been perfect for us and thousands of other families and anyone who makes it his job to distort the facts is terribly distorted himself. I strongly believe in the goodness of this Program and support your efforts to correct the damage Mr. Weiner has done. Thank you.  Janet S.

 

 

To New York Times: I read every day about how your paper distorts the truth to fill an agenda. The recent dismissals may not be enough. Why read a paper that you can not trust. KC T.

You may use our names in the letter. David and Amy S Son: Brandon - Ivy Ridge since June 3, 2002, soon to transfer as an upper level to Midwest Academy.

 

 

Yes, you most definitely may use my name, Cathy J.,  parent, Spring Creek Lodge to support this program, That was the most ridiculous article I have ever read. I was just totally appalled that it ever made it to print.!!! Cathy J

 

 

Dear Ken, I am more than satisfied with our program. I like many others know that our program will be a major factor in my son's success in life. Please, by all means, use my name. I do not know that my story will be of any help. However, here it goes. My son has been in the program 1 year on July 9. He is at level one, zero points. He has never been higher than level one. He did, however, at one point have almost eight hundred points. I have seen him grow and I have seen him go back into old patterns. Until recently, he thought that the world was against him and everything was someone else's fault. He is slowly coming to realize, it is his attitude and his choices; there is not anyone else to blame. That is a very big step. I have done all the seminars, and I look forward to staffing them in the future. I recommend our program to all who will listen. I will also continue to do so. I believe in our program. I hope this helps. Love and strength, Cynthya S.

 

 

Please feel free to add our names to your list of satisfied parents. Thank you. The Best Way to Predict the Future ... is to Create it. Linda & Charlie C.

 

 

You have our permission and support.

Thanks

Christopher and Stephanie Reid

 

 

OK to add my name to list

Lori

 

 

Dear Mr. Kay, I've been keeping up with this on the BBS. I will be more than glad to write a letter of support or you have my permission to use my name in support of the program. My daughter entered Casa 4/13/03 and I believe it has saved her life. Thank you so much. Linda L.C.

 

 

Dear Ken Kay,

You have our permission to include our names on the list of supportive parents of the WWASP program, which will be sent to the letter to the editor of the New York Times.

Sincerely,

Patricia and David K.

 

 

Mr. Kay,  Please add my name to the list of WWASPS supporters intended for the New York Times letter to the Editor. My 16 year old son will soon return home from Casa by the Sea with a new set of values and a purpose in life. When I think of what he was up to when I enrolled him there, I know that this program probably saved his life, and most definitely gave him the tools to realize his potential. Cheryl S

 

 

You have my permission to use my name. Albert N.

 

 

You have our permission to use our name.

Robert & Donna L..

 

 

I just found the New York Times article. I can not judge what happened at Dundee Ranch. Were mistakes made? Maybe. Are these mistakes a detriment to the children's well being? Unlikely. What appears to be happening is a bunch of 'feel good' and 'do good' people that refuse to look at the complete picture stirring up troubles for already seriously troubled teens:- These teens are at Dundee Ranch because they have shown no respect for their parent's authority and very likely for authority in general.- These teens are at great risk to start or already have been using dangerous illegal drugs, showing serious lack of respect for authority, but also lack of respect for their own health and general well being.- These teens are at great risk or have been already, to get in serious trouble with the law either through their drug and/or alcohol use, or the illegal activity that is needed to support their drug or alcohol habits.- These teens are at great risk to end up living in the street, living in jail, or not living at all.- These teens must get the discipline and accountability that they clearly are lacking. What we should never forget is that attempts to undermine the great benefits that programs like Dundee Ranch give will take away for some of these teens the last chance they have to learn the right things and turn their lives around. Is one life or one teen saved worth 'having to sleep with 15 kids in one room' as the article states? Yes. I bet you some of these kids are at Dundee Ranch because they slept in a room with 15 kids, all high on whatever type of drugs or alcohol they could get their hands on! Is one life or teen saved worth living in 'an old hotel on a rutted red-dirt road'? Yes, it is better to live there for a few months than living in the street or in jail for the rest of the teens life, because that's where they'll end up unless they get the help needed to turn their lives around. If the New York Times wants to help these teens, they should use their time and energy on telling these teens how important it is for them to clean up their act, take responsibility for their own actions and become fully participating members of society, instead of undermining the last desperate attempts of their parents to help their sons and daughters. Two and a half years ago our 15 year old son was living in the streets using whatever drugs or alcohol he could get his hands on. It was clear to us that this was not just a 'phase' that he was going through and that he was setting himself up for loads of health and safety related risks and loads of legal troubles. Thanks to the incredible hard work and determination from my wife we were able to send our son to Casa by the Sea.  After 23 months we got back, and he has been home now for 8 months. Without this program I am sure we would have lost our son forever. Now instead I am celebrating his success each time that I see him. I am so proud of him. He has completely turned his life around and serves as a great example of how good and how important these programs are. Yes, please use my name. Henk V., proud father of Dennis, Casa Kid!!

 

 

 

Dear WWASP,

I have been sitting on this letter as I know the stand you take. You have my full support, feel free to use my words or my name in any way that you choose.

Deanna Tucker

 

 

To Whom It may Concern,

 

I have a daughter at Tranquillity Bay; she has been there for 13 months. I find the articles recently written about the WWASP programs to be offensive and outrageous distortions of the truth. It upsets me that such an article would even be allowed in a world known newspaper such as the New York Times. These articles are harmful to not only WWASP but to the parents and children this program is helping.

 

When I made the decision to place my daughter at Tranquility Bay it was not something I did on a whim. Our family has been to 6 psychiatrists 14 therapists, 2 in patients mental health stays, 2 out patient programs, a group home for girls and police visits at least 2 times a month. All of this only when we knew where she was. Officials told me, I could not restrain her nor could I throw her out. In the mean time my other daughters were afraid to be in the house with her. After much investigation I decided to place my daughter at Tranquility Bay.

 

When I visit her I see my child has gained self-esteem, leadership skills and is dreaming of her future again. To quote her AMom, I am going to graduate this program, it will be the first thing I have ever completed.@ She is happy, loves the staff. I have been to program many times. They even allowed me to come on a Holiday and just be at the program for three days with my daughter. People ask how can you do this sending your daughter away? I always say, I will get her back whole and happy a functioning part of our society. Had I not done this she would have surely died? This program has saved my child=s life and given my family hope for the future. I only wished more people in official roles such as public schools would look at some of the aspects of this program and adapt them into the various programs. Maybe then we could keep some of the suicides, drug overdoses and teen pregnancies from happening to one more kid. I hope when writing articles about WWASP programs or any other someone in American journalism will take a responsibility and look at the good vs. the bad that these programs do.

Sincerely,

Deanna Tucker

 

 

Add George & Terrie B. Proud parents of: Jared W 02/2003 Savana W currently L5

 

 

Dear Ken, Yes, please add our names and contact us if you need anything further. Dan, Dyana, and Bryan P

 

 

You may use my name as a co-signer Karina A

 

 

To the Editor;

I have two daughters, ages 18 and 17. Fifteen months ago, after diligently seeking local help, I chose to enroll my youngest (then 15), into Tranquility Bay. For the past 2 years before this, I experienced both my daughters running away, drug abuse, arrests, suspension and ultimately failing school. I seriously feared for their lives. Seeking help from the onset, which included Baker Acting, my family was getting nowhere. I then made the pain-staking decision to send my youngest to Tranquility Bay. She now wants to live, do for others and is a role model for her family in Jamaica. She even proudly wears a one-year sober key chain on her bracelet. Four months into her stay at Tranquility Bay, I sent my oldest to join her. She returned home only 7 months later and has since then graduated high school, bought a car, works full time and lives on her own as a functional adult. Words cannot describe how she has 'come into her own.' She contributes her success to Tranquility Bay as do I. I have visited the facility twice and have found loving, caring devoted staff, along with it's owner, Mr. Kay.

 

So, to your writer, Mr. Wiener:

 

Newspapers should print non-fiction-unlike yourself. Maybe you should write fictional stories, as you've showed the public that you're quite efficient at it.

Destin, Florida

 

 

Ken Kay:

You have my permission to add my name to the letter to the Editor.

Wilma Stigell

 

 

Dear Ken,

You have my permission to use my name in any correspondence to any newspaper in the world. Here is what I would say if asked about our experience:

Our daughter was in need of a placement away from home based on her poor impulse control and poor choice of friends and associated risky behaviors. Sending her to Ivy Ridge took a leap of faith for us as desperate parents. It was the  best decision we ever made. Julie is home now due to her own choosing, having left Ivy Ridge after she turned 18. She is working part time, and taking two college courses this summer to prepare for the start of her freshman year at Mercy Hurst College in Erie, PA. A much sought after field hockey goalie for the three years prior to her problem behaviors, she worked hard to improve her grades and her attitude which served her well as she received a partial athletic scholarship to play field hockey in college this fall. She also made the commitment to complete her Girl Scout Gold Award  (the highest achievement in Girl Scouting) by reorganizing the library at Ivy Ridge. With the support of a dedicated and loving staff, she has accomplished that goal. This Sunday, June 29, she will receive her Gold Award pin in a ceremony at our home in front of Ivy Ridge administration and our State Representative. We will also celebrate her high school graduation which she achieved 5 months ahead of her class at home.  She has accomplished so much in the year since she left our home - angry, depressed and without direction. We attribute the program and the dedication, love and support of those we have met on this journey to bringing our daughter home again filled with purpose and love. Thank you WWASPS and especially Ivy Ridge,

Sincerely,

Teresa M. Smith

 

 

Yes, Mr. Kay, you may use my name as supportive of the program. My son Colin, wrote a response to the article. He was very supportive of the program. I forwarded a copy of it to you and to our old Family Rep at Casa. Regards, Ken D.

 

 

I haven't read the article that Worldwide is refuting, but I lend my support against any reporter who misquotes and slants an article to suit his own agenda rather than reporting fairly. My daughter attends at Casa by the Sea. We looked at well over 100 programs and found this to be the best around. The facilities are superb. The staff is exceptional. They succeed in restoring families and helping them to create healthy family dynamics. They have a guarantee that if the student graduates from the program and returns to any of the former misbehavior, they can return to the school and the first two months are free tuition. Part of the reason they are so successful is that they don't just deal with the "problem child." The association provides training for parents and grandparents as well to insure when the adolescent returns home, he/she has an environment prepared to help him/her succeed. I can't endorse the Worldwide Specialty Schools enough! Any article that besmirches their sterling results is pursuing an agenda that is not in the best interest of helping families with troubled teens. Shame on any reporter or newspaper that runs such clap-trap! While society struggles to regain some semblance of emotional health for its members, Worldwide Specialty Schools offers an education and gives families tools to improve peoples' lives and in turn, improve our communities--literally making the world a better place. I question the integrity of any organization that would discredit such high aspirations. Perhaps they fear that if society improves sufficiently, there will be little to print. They might even have to change their agenda and approach! Dori H.

 

 

Of course sign my name to the rebuttal letter and use this and any of my other statements as you see fit. Also, please send the letter to any other media sources that you feel are appropriate. As always, contact me at any time. Anita G. F.

 

 

Dear Mr. Kay, I also sent a letter to the editor of People magazine in response to an article concerning Dundee. World Wide has been a life saving experience for our family. MaryBeth M Son, @ Cross Creek Center

 

 

Hi Ken,

How are you? My name is Chan N and Ly H, my son in Casa by the Sea now. Please include our name on the letter to send to Editor and Manager of NYT. Please tell them that : CASA BY THE SEA SAVED MY FAMILY. The program made my son became a good son now. Please tell them: LEAVE US ALONE, PLEASE, PLEASE. CHAN  N.  and LY H.

 

 

Please feel free to add my name and my parents who help pay for tuition for Ryan L. The names are Beth L Marcia K and Lenny K. We wholeheartedly support WWASP and if you need anything else from me please do not hesitate to contact me. I am glad you will be doing a response. Thank you for everything, Beth L

 

 

Please add my name to the list John P

 

 

You can use my name in your article response. Please send me a copy of that article, especially if it is published. Julie Davies-Roost

 

Dear Ken, OUR FAMILY IS GRATEFUL FOR THE WWASP PROGRAM AND ALL THE TOOLS OUR FAMILY HAS RECEIVED TO ONCE AGAIN BE A FAMILY UNIT. YOU CAN PUT KEVIN AND DIANNE BERG ON THAT REBUTTAL LETTER TOO. Love, Kevin & Dianne B.

 

 

Please add my name and that of my husband Walter to the rebuttal letter to the NYT. My faith in accurate reporting has been severely shaken by these stories.

Sincerely, Gayle and Walter S.

 

 

I believe the New York Times is not unlike People Magazine. When only a handful of parents and students are interviewed, there is bound to be bias to any story. My big question is, why would you believe a child in the program without first hand knowledge? Did you forget why these children are in programs such as these? My daughter graduated from one of the WWASP facilities and is now a productive part of society instead of being a burden for all of us to carry. She was never treated as was reported and thanks me for sending her and saving her life. Vickie V

My child went to the WWASP program school, and all our family went through the seminars. It is the ONLY program that truly helps kids get back in a positive alignment with themselves and their family. I was disappointed to hear that your reporter greatly distorted and only spoke about the negative, when we who are in the program know that it has saved our children's lives. Mimi H Parent of Majestic Ranch student

 

 

I would like to see Tom Weiner visit all of the facilities and that it be mandatory he attend Discovery and Focus before writing another article regarding WWASP. I found his articles distasteful, full of errors and biased. This Program is the best thing that happened not only to my son, but also to our entire family. - Mary O.- Mother

 

 

Yes, you definitely have my permission to use my name. I fully support the Program  and Dundee in particular; without it, my son wouldn=t be alive! Stephanie DelaC

 

 

Yes, you can use my name on your rebuttal. My son has been in the program for fourteen months and the results have been wonderful. Leave it to the New York Times to convolute the truth. Regards, Eric  E

 

 

You may of course use our names. Our son attended Casa By The Sea. David and Midori F

 

 

Dear KenB Please add Frank and Linda M. to your letter.

Frank

 

 

This letter of support is from Linda M and Bob M, our son Matthew is at Cross Creek Center. We took him there January 23, 2003. He has told us that the program has saved his life. Through many heart wrenching letters we have come to know this is more true than we could have imagined when we took him out there. It has been our experience through the BBS, Discovery, and Focus Seminars that the parents of the program children are totally committed to these children and their future. We have not met one single person who would allow their child=s life to be endangered. Further more there has not been a single parent who sent their child without researching the program, soul searching for alternatives, and making the ultimate sacrifice of giving to their child. We are proud to be a program child=s parents, and equally proud to be working the program for ourselves. This program is the most positive experience of growth we have ever found. The benefits we are receiving are immeasurable. It is our pleasure to add our names to the list of parents and children who support the program. Whole Heartedly Linda A. M. Robert A. M.

 

 

Please add my name / quote to this letter. My daughter has been at Cross Creek since Dec '01 and I have nothing negative to say about the program at all. Her therapists and family reps have been superb. Before enrolling my daughter in this program we had tried months of counseling, then psychiatric help and medication without success. I enrolled her at Cross Creek after a suicide attempt. She is now a happy child with much potential for a successful life ahead of her. Regards, Cathy K.

 

 

Please add my name, Michael A. P, to the rebuttal letter. I am in full support of the program, THANKS for helping to save my son Robert's life. love and support. Michael

 

I would like to say that I have been happy with what my daughter is experiencing at Carolina Springs. Her letters are thought out and she has improved 100% in her studies. She was making zeros, incompletes, and most of her teachers didn't even know who she was, because she left school as soon as I watched her walk in. She also has more confidence in herself and her abilities. She has a structured environment and someone watching her, so that when she starts veering off track, there is help and guidance for her to get back where she needs to be. Here at home, a child was killed in Jessica's old school and there have been rapes and gang activities also. I have met staff members and am very confident in their ability to not only take care of my daughter, but also love her and help her while Iam unable to. I just want to say, until you are in this situation, that you have to keep an open mind and each persons experience will be different. I have heard good and bad stories about the schools. I don't know what I believe, but I do know, that for me, I feel very good about my decision and I know it is the best thing for Jessica right now. Thank You, Toby R Mother

 

 

Please feel free to use my name and that of my husband. We love Cross Creek Manor and the program. It has enabled us to save our marriage and our daughter is working very hard to become a healthier member of our family. Without WWASP none of this would have happened.

With great appreciation, We are respectfully yours, Evelyn and Randy Steele

 

 

Please add my name to your rebuttal list. Perry D. R, and son/graduate of Casa by the Sea, Perry RI am most proud to be a Visions graduate and have my son graduate the program this weekend. It is truly a life saver for us.......Thanks is not enough.....I owe everyone in this process years of service which I will continue to do by staffing for others in their journey....I stand with each and every one of you. Sincerely, Perry D. Reed

 

 

You bet I'll reply. I am so totally angry with the way the Program has been reflected in the Media. Their constant need for sensationalism and negative reporting seems to be the only way they feel they can sell papers. Why doesn't someone have the guts to print the truth.  I do believe that there are some parents who are so disturbed themselves that any changes proposed by the program are changes they themselves are unwilling to face. Therefore, they are unhappy with the program. They cannot face their own inadequacies. As for me, I wholeheartedly support and endorse the program. I will always be eternally grateful to the wonderful people who have helped my daughter. She is quickly becoming a very happy, well adjusted and productive young women. I support you 100% and will be willing to sign whatever petition you wish.  Let me know.

My sincere gratitude. Maria D. G.

 

 

You have my permission to add my name to the letter to the Editor. Judy R, Daughter at Cross Creek Manor

 

 

I hereby grant Permission to add my name to NY Times rebuttal.

Mark G, Daughter - Casa

 

 

Please include us: Ron and Pam R, son, SCL

 

 

Hello Ken: Our experience with WWASP has been a huge benefit to our family!! Our son graduated in May and all of us continue to use the many tools we learned from the Program. Yes, you may attach my name to your letter to the editor and you may use my name when sharing with other media. Thank you for taking a stand !!Kelly

 

 

Dear WWASPS

You have my full permission to add my name to the list of parents who were greatly offended by Tim Wiener's articles. My son and I were very happy with Dundee and neither one of us wanted him to have to leave, until program completion that is.

Regards

Debbie Vassallo

 

 

I'm happy to have my name added to the rebuttal, however, when looking at the email concerning this issue, I noticed a few typos and other errors, such as using the word "detesting" when I believe what was meant was "protesting." Might I offer my services to WWASPS, as a practicing attorney, in order to assist in this process and to ensure the rebuttal article is accurate and persuasive?

Please advise.

Sincerely,

John M

 

 

Please use my name....Linda V Son: Matt M / Casa / Level 4 / 14 months in the program

 

 

I attribute Casa to saving my son's life. The program has offered him a self awareness that has enriched his self esteem & motivated him to reach for his dreams. I could not have had the success in the past 14 months without Casa. I am passionate about supporting the program please let me know if there is anything I may contribute that would be helpful.

Best,

Linda

 

 

You can add our name to the signatories if we can help in any other way, feel free to contact us all the best Abraham & Sarah B.

 

 

Dear Mr. Kay, You have my permission to use my name to your rebuttal to the New York Times. I know without any hesitation that the program saved my daughter's life. Is the program perfect? No. Am I happy with the results? Yes. Would I send her to Spring Creek again? Absolutely. I have been following the news articles, along with parents' accounts on the BBS, as well as a couple that I personally know whose son was at Dundee when the whole affair and there is no doubt in my mind that Tim Weiner misrepresented the truth to present a very slanted viewpoint. He also needs to realize that he further undermined families when some of the children were forced to go home due to certain circumstances and are now no longer in programs. He also caused unaccountable financial distress. Where is his accountability? So yes, please add my name to your list! Sincerely, Dione E. and Alec E.

 

 

You have our permission - Jay and Sharon L

 

 

Yes, you have permission to use my name in the rebuttal.  Nancy G.

 

 

Yes Ken by all means use me as a parent who completely supports WWASP you may even add the following.

"I was contacted by Mr. Weiner by email to tell our story. I told him that I would agree to do so with a few stipulations such as recording the conversation and a written letter from him stating that he would not misquote me. We made a telephone appointment for Friday, June 13, 2003 of which he did not call nor has he sent me any other correspondence. After some thought I had decided to not give much information anyway. The fact of the matter is that WWASP has saved my daughter's life and our family as well. We are a whole and healthy family, she is home and the tools we have been given through this program are invaluable". Kitty M - Mother

Yes, You have permission to use my name on the letter responding to NY times and irresponsible manner in which Mr. Weiner represented the WWASP Schools.  regards, Michael M.

 

 

I would be please to be part of the support for WWASP. If you need more than just a name, feel free to contact me directly.

Sincerely,

Rick G

 

 

Mr. Ken Kay, The reporting of incorrect facts by the New York Times is an unfortunate bit of bad publicity for your organization which does some truly wonderful work. I have sent two boys through the Cross Creek program. They have been out for several years and are still doing quite well. I would do it again if the situation warranted. I am grateful that I found your program. You may use my name in your rebuttal. If you are open to some feedback, I have some. My experience of your organization is that when they want something FROM me they seem to be able to find me or e-mail me. Your organization has never contacted me in any way for any reason other than to solicit my help. Not to check on either of the young lives that they influenced so greatly. No follow ups or thank yous. Nothing. One might argue that with so many children going through the program that would be an enormous and almost impossible task. Yet when it serves your interest you seem to be up to the challenge. Well, I challenge you to make contact with all those families for no reason than to catch up, check in, receive feedback and just say thanks for your trust in us and allowing us to be a part of your child's life if only for a short time. I will look forward to hearing from you again in the near future. Sincerely,  Richard C.

 

 

Please feel free to add my name and let me know if there is anything else I can do. Much love,

Tamara J

 

 

Our son is finally, after nearly eighteen years, learning to let go of the anger that has consumed him for the majority of his life. The pictures we have of him before we sent him to Spring Creek Lodge don't even look like the same kid who has been at SCL for a year now. Today the pictures show a kid who is smiling a smile that comes right out of our heart. The anger is all but gone. And he is clean and sober and finding joy in living that lifestyle. We tried EVERYTHING we could think of before choosing this option (years of therapy, etc.) and this is what works. Please, by all means use our names. Bill and Leslie W., parents of Brandon W  SCL on 7/1/02

 

 

Mr. Kay- You have permission to use our names for the purpose as explained in this email. furthermore, our daughter will be graduating from spring creek this week. we would like to express our heartfelt thanks to the staff at scl. our experience of the school has been exceptionally positive. we have only wonderful things to say about spring creek. thank you for making a difference in our lives and especially our daughters life. sincerely, Bob and Marilyn P

 

 

I am a relatively new parent to WWASPS. My daughter was escorted to Casa by the Sea and arrived there on March 22, 2003. My child is not an easy child, she can and will fight you every step of the way, and I have to give a LOT OF CREDIT TO THE STAFF AT CASA for being able and willing to work with Alicia . If there is an issue, I know about it. The staff there do not hesitate to let me know if something is wrong and they also let me know what is going on that is right. If ever I have a simple question I send an email and get a response within 24 hours. If I have a more intense question I call Casa and get an answer. I can now sleep at night without having one eye open, all because I know my daughter is in a safe place and I do not have to worry about her running away. I trust the staff there and know they will take care of my daughter, keep her safe and they will help her every way they possibly can.

Alice C

 

 

Yes, you can add my name to the rebuttal. My father has been sending me copies of all the NY Times articles and it absolutely disgusts me. The descriptions of the TB facility and Casa facility in no way correspond to my experiences of both places.

Lisa S

 

 

OK to add my name to list

 

 

Mr. Kay, Please add my name to the list of WWASPS supporters intended for the New York Times letter to the Editor. My 16 year old son will soon return home from Casa by the Sea with a new set of values and a purpose in life. When I think of what he was up to when I enrolled him there, I know that this program probably saved his life, and most definitely gave him the tools to realize his potential. Cheryl S

 

 

You have my permission to use by name. Albert N. E.  California

 

 

You have our permission to use our name.

Robert & Donna L

 

 

Dear Ken, Yes, please add our names and contact us if you need anything further. Dan, Dyana, and Bryan P.

 

 

To the Editor;

I have two daughters, ages 18 and 17. Fifteen months ago, after diligently seeking local help, I chose to enroll my youngest (then 15), into Tranquility Bay. For the past 2 years before this, I experienced my daughters running away, drug abuse, arrests, suspension and ultimately failing school. I seriously feared for their lives.

 

Seeking help from the onset, which included Baker Acting, my family was getting nowhere. I then made the pain-staking decision to send my youngest to Tranquility Bay. She now wants to live, do for others and is a role model for her family in Jamaica. She even proudly wears a one-year sober key chain on her bracelet.

 

Four months into her stay at Tranquility Bay, I sent my oldest to join her. She returned home only 7 months later and has since then graduated high school, bought a car, works full time and lives on her own as a functional adult. Words cannot describe how she has 'come into her own.' She contributes her success to Tranquility Bay as do I. I have visited the facility twice and have found loving, caring devoted staff, along with it's owner, Mr. Kay.

So, to your writer, Mr. Wiener:

 

Newspapers should print non-fiction-unlike yourself. Maybe you should write fictional stories, as you've showed the public that you're quite efficient at it..

Destin, F.

 

 

Ken Kay:

You have my permission to add my name to the letter to the Editor.

Wilma S

 

 

Dear Ken,

You have my permission to use my name in any correspondence to any newspaper in the world. Here is what I would say if asked about our experience: Our daughter was in need of a placement away from home based on her poor impulse control and poor choice of friends and associated risky behaviors. Sending her to Ivy Ridge took a leap of faith for us as desperate parents. It was the best decision we ever made. Julie is home now due to her own choosing, having left Ivy Ridge after she turned 18. She is working part time, and taking two college courses this summer to prepare for the start of her freshman year at Mercy Hurst College in Erie, PA. A much sought after field hockey goalie for the three years prior to her problem behaviors, she worked hard to improve her grades and her attitude which served her well as she received a partial athletic scholarship to play field hockey in college this fall. She also made the commitment to complete her Girl Scout Gold Award  (the highest achievement in Girl Scouting) by reorganizing the library at Ivy Ridge. With the support of a dedicated and loving staff, she has accomplished that goal. This Sunday, June 29, she will receive her Gold Award pin in a ceremony at our home in front of Ivy Ridge administration and our State Representative. We will also celebrate her high school graduation which she achieved 5 months ahead of her class at home. She has accomplished so much in the year since she left our home - angry, depressed and without direction. We attribute the program and the dedication, love and support of those we have met on this journey to bringing our daughter home again filled with purpose and love.

Thank you WWASPS and especially Ivy Ridge,

Sincerely,

Teresa M. S

 

 

Yes, Mr. Kay, you may use my name as supportive of the program. My son Colin, wrote a response to the article. He was very supportive of the program. I forwarded a copy of it to you and to our old Family Rep at Casa. Regards, Ken D.

 

 

Dear Mr. Kay I also sent a letter to the editor of People magazine in response to an article concerning Dundee. World Wide has been a life saving experience for our family. Mary Beth M. Son, @ Cross Creek Center

 

 

You have my permission to use my name in your letter to the editor Sincerely, Connie L. A. Brian L. B.

 

 

Please add my name to the list John P

 

 

You can use my name in your article response. Please send me a copy of that article, especially if it is published. Julie D.

 

 

Please add my name and that of my husband Walter to the rebuttal letter to the NYT. My faith in accurate reporting has been severely shaken by these stories.

Sincerely,

Gayle and Walter S

 

 

You may of course use our names. Our son attended Casa By The Sea. David and Midori F.

 

 

Dear Ken--Please add Frank and Linda M to your letter. Frank

 

 

Please add my name / quote to this letter. My daughter has been at Cross Creek since Dec '01 and I have nothing negative to say about the program at all. Her therapists and family rep shave been superb. Before enrolling my daughter in this program we had tried months of counseling, then psychiatric help and medication without success. I enrolled her at Cross Creek after a suicide attempt. She is now a happy child with much potential for a successful life ahead of her. Regards, Cathy K

 

 

Please feel free to use my name and that of my husband. We love Cross Creek Manor and the program. It has enabled us to save our marriage and our daughter is working very hard to become a healthier member of our family. Without WWASP none of this would have happened.

With great appreciation,

We are respectfully yours,

Evelyn and Randy S

 

 

You may add my name to the letter to the editor of the NY Times. Akos N.

 

 

Dear World Wide,  You have my permission to add both our names to the letter to the editor. We are so grateful that we were able to find a program that not only gave our daughter a second chance, but gave us a second chance as a family.  Truly Grateful for the program, Doug & Shari G.

 

 

 

You have our permission to use our name  Mark & Karen M.

 

 

 

You may add our names to the list of satisfied parents of the program. We have not been contacted by the New York Times but would be happy to share our success story about Cross Creek Manor and WWASP with anyone who may want it.  Diana and Andrew W.  

 

 

 

You have permission to use my name as a signatory on a letter to the NY times. Dianna  D.



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« Reply #146 on: January 04, 2004, 03:24:00 PM »
Not sure what you perceived as an attack. I resent the twisting of words to make a situation appear to be something it's not. In this case, to make it appear that the kid chose to go to a program when in fact he was forced against their will. And you have all but confirmed my criticism with this comment:
 "No, not consciously, but actions have consequences, and that parent obviously loved her child enough to not lose him to the legal system or other destructive options."

So why not say the truth, being sent to the program was a consequence? I imagine that no one wants to feel the guilt associated with incarcerating their child, therefore they use language that implies that it was the child's choice. I made no reference to the parent being a control freak, those were your words based on an erroneous assumption; and what I imagine you all fear being perceived as, hence the necessity of stating the child made the choice.

If the kid did not select freely after considering, he did not choose. Period. He was forced to attend the program, because his mother chose to have a reaction to his behavior and chose to issue a consequence. Is there shame attached to that reality?

Do the kids watch the news or read newpapers or listen to the radio? Aren't they indeed cut off from the outside world? Do they see the latest movie releases or hear the latest music? Other advocates of the program have confirmed this, defending that it was necessary for the child, so s/he would focus on working their program. You choose to deny this is a reality. If it's such a therapeutic necessity, why not admit it and discuss how any human benefits from being isolated from the world?

You said: The letters in a wwasp school are NOT censored. The kids can write anything their hearts desire, whether nice, or not.

Would it be too much to ask, for you to stick to speaking about your experience and stop making general statements which seem to imply that you are here to do damage control. There are ample allegations to the fact that some letters were never received, in both directions. You can say that didn't happen in your case, but unless you are a spokesperson for the organization you can not state with certainty that others allegations are not true.

I'm not assuming too much on the negative side. I disagree with the beginning assumption that incarceration of teens is beneficial or humane. I believe that is something amiss about the whole concept. I listen to the allegations and tend to believe that the majority of them are truthful based on my experience with the industry and that of others who have shared.

PS And I resent yet another spamming of this forum with advertising for the program.




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« Reply #147 on: January 04, 2004, 03:35:00 PM »
That is not spam, plus it is not as long as some of the post I have seen on this board. However Ginger and others wanted to see testimonials.

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« Reply #148 on: January 04, 2004, 03:43:00 PM »
Can you provide a link to the message in which Ginger or anyone else requested testimonials? A link wouldn't suffice? No, you're taking up space on this server to advertise.
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« Reply #149 on: January 04, 2004, 04:17:00 PM »
Geez these Kool aid drinkers annoy me.
Bla, Bla, Bla (I'm right and your not, na na na na na!) have a nice day.
The monster size type is far worse than all capps (extremely rude) and you ought to understand by now, the raving devotion to the program you legions of faithful spew out, is worthless as evidence of reality in the program.
We know what you believe; we believe you are deluded; manipulated and brainwashed.

As for the letters and censorship - Oh yes indeed they do censor the mail; both letters and email. There are staff who have admitted it is part of their job!
Its part of one of my son's comedy routines:
Staff checking email: Oh No! You don't mean that!
here, lets fix this; click, click, click (back spacing) Tap, Tap, Tap (re-writing)There, thats what you Ment to say, isn't it?

And there where letters he wrote I never got. Simple as that. He once saw one of his letters inside the 'family father's' notebook; weeks after he had written it. After that, he gave his letters to his family rep, who he felt was more likely to mail them. But there are still some that never got mailed. Simple as that.
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