WHO THE HECK MODERATES THIS BLATHER?

[Anonymous]

Let me help the owner or moderator of this mess:

1- Carey is a horribly despicable person for accepting money from WWASP.  There is no excuse for what she's done.  If she feared the subpoena power of WWASP, then why not wait until it was issued and then act in accordance with the Court Order, or try to fight the subpoena?

That she accepted money from the organization abusing children, and afterwards cloaked her misdeed in fear of the law is an extremely clear message that Carey has no integrity whatsoever and that she is now, in addition to being a bad mother, a complete coward.

2- The moderator (Antigen?) is clearly smoking grass while posting her position of sympathy to Carey's position.  Antigen, you seem to be a survivor.  I'm curious to know how you can take the position that these organizations are bad, and then defend someone, in any way, who just profited financially by accepting money from it and, at the same time, helped to further WWASP's mission of torturing children?

3- Froderick13.  You're right about everything.  The problem here is that you are trying to shock everyone into seeing it your way, or maybe this is just you, though I doubt it from how clearly intelligent you are underneath the rhetoric.  Anyhow, the problem about this board that you need to come to terms with is that its moderator, owner or whatever has virtually no control over it.  She let's it run absolutely out of control.  She pretends to be neutral, yet she becomes hostile when someone goes from just bitching behind his or her keyboard to provoking some worthwhile thought.  It's funny to no end, but very unhelpful to the cause of shutting down WWASP and its partners.

[Froderik]

The problem here is that you are trying to shock everyone into seeing it your way, or maybe this is just you, though I doubt it from how clearly intelligent you are underneath the rhetoric.

Thank you, and I guess that it's a little of both.  :grin:

[ehm]

I thought Carey was against wwasp?

Was this a settlement? Can someone fill me in a little on this please?

Don't worry about temptation--as you grow older, it starts avoiding you.  
-- Old Farmer's Almanac

[Anonymous]

Carey is AC/DC on the subject, but oh how she likes WWASP's money!

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 12:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

Let me help the owner or moderator of this mess:



1- Carey is a horribly despicable person for accepting money from WWASP.  There is no excuse for what she's done.  If she feared the subpoena power of WWASP, then why not wait until it was issued and then act in accordance with the Court Order, or try to fight the subpoena?



That she accepted money from the organization abusing children, and afterwards cloaked her misdeed in fear of the law is an extremely clear message that Carey has no integrity whatsoever and that she is now, in addition to being a bad mother, a complete coward.

The anon poster is obviously hitting the crack pipe. We've established that the anon eye witness who ran to the keyboard to alert us all about the deposition and that it has nothing to do with PURE had to be one of Sue Scheff, her lawyer, a WWASP lawyer or some invisible person.  

In other words, unless it was Carey herself (which seems unlikely), this news comes from people who make their living by taking payments from these programs. But they're not just delivering data that might be gotten by other means. They deliver real, live human beings, by force and without due process.

Worse yet? Just like Lon Woodbury pretending to be an industry watchdog, they cloak their misdeeds in the pretense of rescuing children from abusive programs! Then they bully and abuse anyone who questions them or their high holy cause and accuse us all of trying to prevent kids from being saved from abusive programs.  ::noway:: It would be funny if only it weren't so damned sad!

Now, all you piranhas who come out whenever you think you smell some Carey blood insist that it's all about the money, no way in hell WWASP ever threatened Carey like they do everyone else and that the only explanation is a list of presumed character flaws in Carey. But it's pretty obvious to anyone who's given a little time and attention to this brawl that there's a whole lot more going on here.  

2- The moderator (Antigen?) is clearly smoking grass while posting her position of sympathy to Carey's position.  Antigen, you seem to be a survivor.  I'm curious to know how you can take the position that these organizations are bad, and then defend someone, in any way, who just profited financially by accepting money from it and, at the same time, helped to further WWASP's mission of torturing children?

And I might ask you the same.

3- Froderick13.  You're right about everything.  The problem here is that you are trying to shock everyone into seeing it your way, or maybe this is just you, though I doubt it from how clearly intelligent you are underneath the rhetoric.  Anyhow, the problem about this board that you need to come to terms with is that its moderator, owner or whatever has virtually no control over it.  She let's it run absolutely out of control.  She pretends to be neutral, yet she becomes hostile when someone goes from just bitching behind his or her keyboard to provoking some worthwhile thought.  It's funny to no end, but very unhelpful to the cause of shutting down WWASP and its partners.



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Ok, now that's funny, even though it is pretty sad. Frod's a good guy. And you're right, he's extremely intelligent. But nobody's always right.

As to the moderator of this forum, please take a quick look at the topic list. This forum is moderated by Nobody. It is an unmoderated forum. Once again, I have total dominion over machines and software, not over you.

See, you just want to shut down WWASP. I want to shut down the practice of kidnapping kids and subjecting them to powerful and dangerous thought reform programs altogether, no matter what brand name they're operating under.

Indeed, I am a survivor of both The Seed and Straight and I narrowly escaped a stint at LIFE. As such, I'm unimpressed with the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" philosophy.

But, since you've decided to start posting again, care to answer some of my questions? You could start with telling me who wants to know all this about my thoughts and motivations. From there, I hope you'll finally get around to demonstrating how, exactly, PURE is any different from WWASP.

But probably not.  

Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.
--James Madison

[Anonymous]

Let me see if I understand you. Your Encounter Group format is a defense for hosting free-for-alls, that make the survivors of these atrocities look our of control and helps to prove that Behavior Modification is not necessary and you're just an innocent bystander, who does not use technology to censure people - hmmm.

And you know I'm "posting again" how?

If you so clever, who am I?

By the way, why insult Froderik13.  I acknowledged that his base argument is right.  That's funny how?

Carey took money, when she could have given the information to WWASP involuntarily and for free.  After that, Miss "why would anyone be interested in my thoughts", there is nothing else!

[ehm]

Why is Carey taking money a huge deal? Why do it for free, if you could get paid? We're not talking about sex here... :roll:  I feel sorry for Carey. Hell, from the way it sounds, she's had a sharp, long drag through the mud already. Give her a break!!!

Why don't you focus on something productive instead of a flame war!

How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate, they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0451524934/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>George Orwell, 1984

[Anonymous]

Her taking money has become a "huge deal" only because it's like working in a porno-shop and not admitting you work for mobsters who use the money to harm society and its members.

Now, I didn't say Carey isn't shrewd, she is, for taking the money, but it's not morally right.  You can't say I'm against this person or that organization and then get in bed with them or it (sorry Carey).

My focus isn't Carey, believe it or not, it's the manner in which this board works against the cause of closing "Behavior Modification" schools.

[Anonymous]

Right on, Morli.  From your lips to these flamers ears.  Enough is enough.  

 :roll:

[Anonymous]

Carey took money?

[Anonymous]

Morli, you're a God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

12,500 dollars  :sad:

[Anonymous]

Just would like to paticipate that is all ::drummer::  ::read::

[Antigen]

No, you clearly don't understand at all. The "encounter group" format you see is entirely in your imagination. This is just a web forum. You might say it's based loosley on a Usenet format if, anything.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I have my views on the behavior mod methods broadly used in the troubled parents industry. But I have enough faith in my convictions that I think the truth can stand by itself without any strong arming from me.

Here are some of the things I will censor without hesitation: credible threats against an individual; private information, such as SS#'s or private email; kiddie porn or beastiality (thankfully, haven't had to deal with that yet in these forums!).

W/ some hesitation, and after every other means have failed, I will censor spam and flooding because one man's spam is another man's demonstration. It's always a subjective call, so I hate to risk shutting someone down just because I missed their point. But that's about it.

I prefer it if people don't burn up a lot of disk space and bandwidth on personal attacks and obscenity. But one man's obscenity is another man's poetry. Again, I'd rather presume innocence and err on the side of liberty.

I know you're posting again because it's just so highly unlikely that some different person would happen to get the same IP address as you and hold so consistently to the same views as you do. But I wouldn't know any more about you without legal proceedings (which, as far as I know, are not anywhere near warranted) or criminal hacking, which is just something I don't do.

Finally,

Carey took money, when she could have given the information to WWASP involuntarily and for free. After that, Miss "why would anyone be interested in my thoughts", there is nothing else!

Again, clearly you're not taking my meaning. I didn't ask why anyone would be interested in my thoughts. Why do you put that in quotes asif I'd said that? Are you being intentionally misleading here? What I asked, and you haven't answered, is who wants to know?

Don't get me wrong, you're as welcome as anyone to post anonymously. But you sure have a lot of questions and few answers. But if you expect me to take you seriously, it would help if I knew who I was talking to. That's just the way it is. You know everything in the world about me, true or not, and all I know about you is what you post here. And, aside from your opinion of some other relative stranger, that ain't much info, ya' know?

To your mind there may be nothing else but your smoking gun indictment. But I see a whole lot more going on here. Are you making money off the ed CON business? Are your kids in a program now or have they graduated one? Do you now or have you ever worked or proselytize for WWASP? What is your interest in this matter, anyway? See, without your telling me these things, I have no way of knowing, except to guess. But at least I acknowledge that I'm guessing and don't jump to confusions.

Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like autumn leaves. When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.  -- My First Summer in the Sierra , 1911, page 110.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0395353513/' target='_new'> John Muir

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Carey took money?"

Yes, Carey took $12,500 from WWASP for the contents of her hard drive. She says they gave her a la plata o el plomo ultimatum; take the money or wait for a subpoena. That seems plausible as that just the kind of tone they usually take when they want something out of sombody. Mobsters indeed!

What you won't hear from the defendants in the suit is that they take money from the troubled parent industry every day. That's what they do for a living.

Just check out their website. http://helpyourteens.com All they'll tell you about how they make their money is that it doesn't come from the parents. Other ppl who seem fairly credible have said that they make their money in bounties paid by the programs to which they refer troubled parents. They also won't volunteer any information about which programs they refer these troubled parents to. But they do give the names of the two "escort" services they recomend. It's right at the foot of their front page. Can't miss it.

If you think yourself too wise to involve
yourself in government, you will be governed
by those too foolish to govern.  
--Plato