Carey Bock Has Her Judas Gold

[Froderik]

I wouldn't say it's paranoia after reading this thread..and hearing 'things...'  :eek:

[Froderik]

Get the hell off Fornits for one day and read voyfourms

Spots, my sincere thanks to you for spilling the beans. God knows there's enough skulking going on here. What's the link to those forums? I'd like to check them out...Thanks in advance, Fr13

[Anonymous]

"Ms. Bock stated in deposition that she doesn't think WWASPS is bad; she only has a problem with Dundee and they aren't affiliated with WWASPS."

Wow, Sue Kolbo for you to make a statment like that, you must have been there.  I mean you would not repeat something you heard from someone else, would you?  Surely you are quoting what you yourself witnessed Carey saying in her deposition, right?  You had to have been there.  You would not just take what someone else has told you and repeat it as a fact would you?  That really could be damaging to not only yourself, but also to all other parties involved.  NO, you had to have been there.  You surely are not the kind of person who just blindly trust what someone tells you and then repeats as fact when you really only know what you have been told.

[Anonymous]

Fro - the Voy board is down and has been for a long time now. I've given up on it.
Spots is correct in the news provided.
And as for where it came from - could be from any direction on the compas at this point - the word is out.

[Anonymous]

Wow, Sue Kolbo for you to make a statment like that, you must have been there. I mean you would not repeat something you heard from someone else, would you? Surely you are quoting what you yourself witnessed Carey saying in her deposition, right? You had to have been there. You would not just take what someone else has told you and repeat it as a fact would you? That really could be damaging to not only yourself, but also to all other parties involved. NO, you had to have been there. You surely are not the kind of person who just blindly trust what someone tells you and then repeats as fact when you really only know what you have been told.

Spots, please don't leave me hanging.  Tell me you were there and that you heard Carey say that with your own two ears.  Please, tell me you are not posting this information second hand.  Please, tell me that you would not post a statement such as the one you posted because someone one else told you so.  It is so important that creditability is not lost. I know you are there.  I know you are reading these posts...so please post a resonse to my yearning for the truth.  Tell me, were you there?  Maybe you saw a transcribed court document.  Maybe that is how you know what Carey said.  I don't think though, that that would be possible, given the time frame.

Tell me were you there?

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-10 20:22:00, Froderik13 wrote:

"I wouldn't say it's paranoia after reading this thread..and hearing 'things...'  :eek: "

Frod, if you're hearing about security problems with my site, please tell me whatever you've heard. As far as I know, we've never been hacked so your IP info is not getting out by way of these forums. However, there are dozens of other ways to figure out someone's IP address. Some free email services add an X-Originating-IP header, for example. A direct connection via any IM software will reveal your IP address too.

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--Rep. Robert L. Henry, TX December 22, 1914 (quoting Lincoln)

[Froderik]

Nothing you don't already know about..

[scottT]

The best evidence of whether someone did or did not say certain words attributed to her is to hear the alleged speaker in her own words.  Whether the trekkers lists and emails were sold to WWASPS only tangentially concerns Ms. Scheff and the PURE litigation.  (One doesn't have to consider oneself to be "Jesus" in order to be the harmed by a person who assists one's adversaries for money).

Carey is a frequent contributor to this forum, and never reticent to reply to all slights (real or imagined).

Accordingly,  if you are out there Carey,  could you please tell us:

1) Did you provide testimony in a deposition concerning the World Wide Association of Specialty Schools, aka WWASPS (including its affiliated legal entities, or individuals who serve said organizations and entities as owners, shareholders, directors, or employees)?

and

2) Have you at any time accepted any financial compensation in any amount,  or other gift,  from WWASPS (or any of its affiliated legal entities, or other individuals who serve said organizations and entities as owners, shareholders, directors, or employees) for any reason?

Carey might reasonably respond that the answers to such questions or none of my business, nor anyone else's for that matter.  

On the other hand,  her silence would testify more conclusively than SPOTS or any other witness or second-hand source possibly could.

[Froderik]

The best evidence of whether someone did or did not say certain words attributed to her is to hear the alleged speaker in her own words.

Ah, if only THAT were true...

Carey is a frequent contributor to this forum, and never reticent to reply to all slights (real or imagined)

Bull-SHIT...

Carey might reasonably respond that the answers to such questions or none of my business, nor anyone else's for that matter.

How would it be not our business if she's violating people's right to privacy under the half-baked guise of "freedom of information?"  :flame:  

On the other hand, her silence would testify more conclusively than SPOTS or any other witness or second-hand source possibly could.

I agree 100%


[ This Message was edited by: Froderik13 on 2003-12-11 09:21 ]

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-11 08:43:00, Froderik13 wrote:

"Nothing you don't already know about.."

What the hell are you talking about?

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-- John Muir

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-11 08:52:00, scottT wrote:


On the other hand,  her silence would testify more conclusively than SPOTS or any other witness or second-hand source possibly could.

"

Possibly. On the other hand, if the ppl who claim that Carey's been sued (by whom, they won't say, for what exactly, that's a little sketchy too) then she might also be under advice from her atty or even a court order to not discuss the issue with anyone for any reason.

Now, if this turns out to be the case and the people demanding she say something or be adjudicated guilty know it, well what does that say about them?

Hey, anyone up for a little discussion on relative benefits and pitfalls of pure democracy?
 :wink:

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[Froderik]

You seem to stand up for Carey alot. If she's gonna take info off of this site and send it to someone, especially WWASP, I'd think you would naturally want to demand a little more from our friend Ms. "Tar-Baby" Bock...it makes me wonder..

[ This Message was edited by: Froderik13 on 2003-12-11 10:10 ]

[Antigen]

I'm not standing up for Carey, Frod! I don't have any insider info, I only know what's posted here and very little more.

I am, however, suggesting another, equally plausible, explanation for Carey not responding to these questions.

Why are you so sure all these claims are true? I'm not saying I'm sure they're not. Sometimes, the only true and correct answer is "I don't know". This is one of those times.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-- Aristotle

But you seem very convinced. What do you know that I don't? Please share.

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[Anonymous]

Antigen -
Maybe your mistaken as to which law suite she was deposed for. This was in relation to wwasps' action aginst PURE and others; and was primarily about how and when and why she provided her hard drive to wwasp - as well as her relationship to and thoughts about various persons.
Have you any proof, Mz Bock?  What Proof Mz Bock? Thats not Proof Mz Bock. Did you know Mz Bock. . ? Are you aware Mz Bock. . .?
Mz Bock has not been suied. Not yet.
The lawyers giving her advice; and taking her to dinner, are wwasp's lawyers; not hers.
She believes they are the 'good guys', and they are looking out for her best intrest.
And she calls us dumb ass parents. . .

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know who was actually at this deposition? Obviously Spots quit talking.