Candid Camera on Carey

[Anonymous]

Ginger,
Come on! She turned over 7,000 e-mails.  How in the hell can I give you information on 7,000 e-mails?  How do I know she was the one who turned them over?  Because the WWASP attorney's informed our attorney that it was Carey Bock.  Whether you or anyone chooses to believe that is your choice. I have never made an accusation to the effect that Carey is vindictive.  I know that for a fact.  Why else would someone stay involved with a group of people dedicated to helping get kids out of abusive facilities and then take that information and turn it over to WWASP?  Why? It's not because of PURE or Carey's hatred of Sue Scheff it's because she got pissed off because she was kicked out of the group because she posted confidential information and we as a group felt she could not be trusted. Bingo!  We were right. :idea:

And for your information....yes the seeds of a class action was indeed in the planning along time ago and know one would touch the case....however, I have been actively involved with the goings on before Huron.  I don't claim to take credit for anything individually.  We do things as a team.  What would you know about dignity? ::

[Anonymous]

Anon, so true.  I wish everyone could see what Carey is like you do.

[Anonymous]

It's not because of PURE or Carey's hatred of Sue Scheff it's because she got pissed off because she was kicked out of the group because she posted confidential information and we as a group felt she could not be trusted.

Here we go again.  This is why I was booted.

I would like to share my boot letter. Also, what preceeded this letter was another accusation that I released information that did not belong to me which was absolutely false and I can prove it if necessary with other emails. See what they say I am guilty of "You have such powerful enthusiasm and the best of intentions but combined with a blind drive to "get WWASP" you are hurting fellow list members."


Here the one that led up to it that "condeeds" that I did not release information that did not belong to me and the second which is the actual boot and why.


Subj: Re: Fwd: [Trekkers] Woodbury
Date: 5/16/03 5:06:44 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Careycbock@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)



At 05:20 PM 5/16/2003 -0400, bkdelong@pobox.com
Subj: Removal from list
Date: 5/16/03 6:59:18 PM Central Daylight Time
From: careycbock@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)



Carey -

I have received an email from Marie XXXXXXX stating that she did not understand who Lon Woodbury is as her English is limited and she, as well as Chris, were shocked that the images were sent to him once they found out who he was.

Because of that, and several listmembers emailing me off-list combined with the continued lack of control over your emotions, I am removing you from the list.

I truly hope you take some time to mellow out a bit and start thinking about consequences of your actions. You have such powerful enthusiasm and
the best of intentions but combined with a blind drive to "get WWASP" you are hurting fellow list members.

Thanks.

--
B.K. DeLong
bkdelong@pobox.com



That is them. And so you will know I do have the emails requesting that I question Lon about the pictures. That is what I did and that is all I did. However, I still believe they should be released to the public. So, I was booted for not agreeing with the "group."

I guess I am more concerned about children who are hurting than I am about hurting list members.

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[Antigen]

On 2003-11-16 20:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I never had my child in a WWASP program.  I am connected out of concern of all you survivors.  Yes, Ginger, you included.  

Oh please don't help me! I've had all the help I can stand. If you intend to help me some more, you'd better know that I'm fully prepared to defend myself!

You ask if maybe Carey had made a mistake and we should just forget it.  Could you, if you were still locked up and her mistake cost you staying there?  

The info she gave WWASP made numerous people nervous about responding to parents in need of answers.  Is this right?  Maybe, I was ugly earlier to you, if so, I apoligize, I just ask you to understand what Carey's actions have done.  Mistakes like this hurt kids."

According to the updated complaint, they're talking about emails received in October. The bullshit attacks on Carey started long before that. Has it occured to you that maybe your harsh treatment of her had it's intended effect, got her pissed off and upset beyond reason?

And yes, I could forgive such a mistake. My own dad kept us kids in these programs over the course of 10 years. Even lied to a cop to try and have me arrested, because he believed that I needed the Program or I would become a junkie and die a horrible death. Then he figured out the scam, apologized to me (which was probably the hardest words that old sailer ever had to speak), and I forgave him. I also forgave my teachers, who's reporting to my mother on my obvious depression, led her to the conclusion that I needed a little brainwashing. I even forgive the cops who slapped the cuffs on me and took me to detention for their part in Straight's effort to force me back into the program. I even forgive you people who, not knowing what you were supporting, have marched in lock step with the drug nazis so that, now, my kids have to live in a world where just being a teenager is viewed as probable cause for some kind of crime.


How many parents do you think have come to this site looking for valid, truthful information about these programs and, instead, found these obscene, sophmoric attacks and concluded that we're all a bunch of basket cases, just like the WWASPies say we are? Do you understand that, all good intentions aside, sometimes your actions might be helping WWASP and hurting kids too?

I can forgive damned near anything, once you stop doing it to me. Life's just too short to play it any other way.

Madness takes its toll.  Please have exact change.
--Anonymous

_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
   10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous

[Anonymous]

Anon, what will happen once a class action is filed?  Will all the kids be sent home or simply re-referred into some other "safe and healthy" (sic)locked school or program by one of these independent referral agencies? That's what concerns me and should be of concern to everyone who purports to care about kids.  This industry is rife with corruption and without any real oversight, the gravy train of abuse will continue.

So Ginger, please keep the light on. The need for a home for wayward forums will not diminish any time soon.

 ::heart::

[Carey]

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... =9&start=0

That was me.  I suggest that if you want to understand the quote, then read the thread above.

[Antigen]

On 2003-11-16 21:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"That is them. And so you will know I do have the emails requesting that I question Lon about the pictures. That is what I did and that is all I did. However, I still believe they should be released to the public. So, I was booted for not agreeing with the "group."

I guess I am more concerned about children who are hurting than I am about hurting list members.

That's actually what I thought I remembered from an eon ago, or last spring, or whenever it was.

And I still don't understand the harm in verifying, beyond all doubt, that Lon Woodbury knows just exactly what he's promoting by sending him pictures of it or with releasing those pictures to the public so that the whole world will know.

If you're worried about them cleaning up their act and pulling a dancing frog act on you, well they've been doing that for decades. More secrets are not going to change that. Maybe more exposure will?

Where are the photos now? I'd be very happy to make room for them on my server. It wouldn't be anything WWASP doesn't already know about. It would only be things the public doesn't know about. Where's the harm?

Emotions rule the world; Is it any wonder that it's so mucked up?!
http://fornits.com/rates.htm' target='_new'>Bill Warbis

[Anonymous]

Ginger,
The e-mails were turned over in July not October.  The anon before was obviously trying to make a point and what did you do? You bashed them. Does that make you feel good about yourself? ::boohoo::

[Carey]

I don't have them.  I have never seen them.  I have only heard about them.  If I had pictures of kids being abused I would have turned them over to police and I would have made a copy and turned them over to the media.  I surely would not be sitting on them for some law suit.  That was my argument back then.  I have to wonder if they really exist.  If they do, and someone has been holding on to them, then that someone should be held accountable for any child who has suffered abuse since.

The e-mails were turned over in July

When were they taken?  In other words, how long did the owner of those pictures sit on them before deciding to use them to help kids

[Anonymous]

No Carey, you dumb BITCH! That was NOT why you were booted!  Your just a slimey snake who can't keep your frigging mouth shut aren't you?  I can't wait till your time comes. It can't come soon enough.  You go ahead and post those little e-mails you want everyone to believe was the reason you were booted.  Those of us who count know what the real reason's were. You have caused so much pain to families who have already indured the likes of WWASP and you will pay $$$ dearly for that.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-11-16 21:07:00, Carey wrote:

"http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&topic=2196&forum=9&start=0



That was me.  I suggest that if you want to understand the quote, then read the thread above."

Okay, I followed the link, started reading the thread and came across this post. :cry:

This is what I know
Posted: 2003-05-20 08:48:00  
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 PURE refers to Sorenson's Ranch School and Academy at Cedar Mountain.

Once the kid gets there she is cut a check for $1,000.00 When I talked to her about my son, she mentioned both of these schools. Both were VERY wrong for him. That led me to believe she doesn't care about our family or my son. Just the money.

I actually visited Sorenson's Ranch School. What a hole! Filthy living conditions for the students, the kitchen was also very dirty. From what I could see minimum supervision-Kids everywhere and NO staff. They only had 4 therapists for 120 kids.

I have NO idea how Sue decides which programs to send kids too. If that Sorenson's place is any indication, she doesn't have a clue.

[Anonymous]

You go ahead and post those little e-mails you want everyone to believe was the reason you were booted

Sounds pretty clear to me.  You can live in denial all you want, but what I was booted for was exactly what was said.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-11-16 21:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ginger,

The e-mails were turned over in July not October.  The anon before was obviously trying to make a point and what did you do? You bashed them. Does that make you feel good about yourself? ::boohoo:: "

What must the world be thinking when they read posts like this? I mean, can't any of you people make your case without calling people vile, disgusting names or telling them to go f*** themselves?  Please, if you care about kids, clean up your act.

 :flame:

[Antigen]

On 2003-11-16 21:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ginger,

The e-mails were turned over in July not October.  The anon before was obviously trying to make a point and what did you do? You bashed them. Does that make you feel good about yourself? ::boohoo:: "

Well that's very odd because the updated complaint mentions mails received in October and then adds Jeff as a defendant.

I'm not bashing anybody. Just asking questions in an effort to sort fact from opinion here. If you find that sort of discussion offensive, well, sorry, there's nothing I can do for you.

Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful.
--Friedrich Nietzsche

[Carey]

I thought Jeff was a defendant in that case from the very beginning?