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« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2003, 08:48:00 AM »
Wrong.  Jeff was not added in October.  He was added several months before along with the deceased Donna H.
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« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2003, 08:58:00 AM »
Yeah, it was a long time back. I'd guess late last winter; but anyway, long before the current season.

I think there must be some typos in this document you quote, as what your saying it says is far wrong.

I can't get the thing to come up so as to be able to read it - but I'll take your word for what it says.

As I understand the situation, wwasp was wanting to amend this to enclude others besides those already named, as a result of Carey's co-operation.  Far as I know its still being debated by the legal folks.

We'll just have to wait an see what becomes of all this.
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« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2003, 09:01:00 AM »
I think it's terribly sad that so many of you can't get along with people any better than to be constantly tearing each other down over ultimately very minor philosophical differences.

Your tearing at each other may well be the reason you haven't succeeded yet at getting these places shut down on a systemic basis, and may well keep you from getting that success in the future.

To get anything at all done in politics, and this issue is serious politics, you have to learn to deal with fellow-travelers--people who don't agree with you on everything, but agree with you on the fundamental point that these places are an abusive menace and need to be stopped.

If someone agrees with you on the *basics*---and the very basic is that these programs need to be *at minimum* better supervised by regulatory agencies and *at minimum* kids need additional protections before they can be placed and *at minimum* there needs to be greater public awareness so parents won't be as willing to use these places.

You can disagree on which of those three is most important, you can disagree on *how* that needs to happen, you can disagree on what the standards are.  But anyone who agrees on those three things aimed towards stopping child abuse is a FELLOW TRAVELER.

You have Intellectual Disagreements and Policy Issues with fellow travelers, you DON'T shred them to bits and swear at them and behave like teenagers who never grew up.

Or you don't accomplish any changes in the system.

I've done activism before.  Shredding fellow travelers like heretics to be burned at the stake is the way to get exactly nothing done.

Please, for the sake of the teens being abused in these places, grow up.
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« Reply #63 on: November 17, 2003, 09:30:00 AM »
When we have liars aboard, they need to be dealt with. Shove off, mate...  :grin:
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« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2003, 10:03:00 AM »
" I think it's terribly sad that so many of you can't get along with people any better than to be constantly tearing each other down over ultimately very minor philosophical differences."


What are you referring to as minor philosophical differences?  You have a group of people devoted to shutting down these facilities.  They work 24/7 at it only to have "ONE" person turn over information to the "ENEMY" simply because she was booted out of the group for posting confidential information to satify her own superior ego. I would not call that minor would you? And the result of her actions has put several people and their families in the line of fire by WWASP.  If you were being sued would you consider this minor?


"Your tearing at each other may well be the reason you haven't succeeded yet at getting these places shut down on a systemic basis, and may well keep you from getting that success in the future."

I believe the only person being under scrutiny at this point is Carey Bock.  You may want to inform her that since her date with the devil, some things have been put on hold and she has hindered the attempts to get more kids out of the clutches of their abuser's.  This is only a set back right now.  We will deal with Ms.Bock and we will continue our fight for kids freedom and shutting down abusive facilities.  We will not STOP until legislature gets involved. Take a look at the following, it will make you sick.

The Silent Death Of America's Children
>
>A continuing litany of death
>
>The death of a child is devastating by any measure. But when a child is
>killed under the guise of "help" by uncaring mental health professionals and an
>impassive system. It is unspeakably tragic.
>The following list is a damning indictment of what amounts to legalized child
>abuse dressed up as mental health treatment. CCHR
>
>***As a side note, I would like to take this description to an even lower
>level to include that
>this is legalized murder, and for those who did not die a physical death but
>an emotional one, until we, those who do see this, stand to oppose these
>atrocities, these children will never know decency, or trust. Each of these
>children are deserving of the honor of our remembering, and only in action will we
>ensure true honor and a restoration of hope. To the ones who are gone, the
>ones who remain, and those who will never have to experience this because our
>actions prevented future loss.
>As with all of my writing pertaining to this area of abuse, it is done so in
>loving honor and memory of Matthew Smith 14, who died in 2000,
>and Shaina Dunkle 10, who died in 2001.
>
>
>Jeffrey Bogrett, 9
>Died December 1, 1995 while being violently restrained at the New England
>Center for Autism
>
>Chris Campbel 13,
>Died November 2,1997 from intense, repeated restraints at the Iowa Juvenile
>Home.
>
>Edith Campos, 15
>Died February 2, 1998, while being restrained for not giving staff her family
>photo at the Desert Hills Center, Arizona.
>
>Paul Choy 16,
>Died February 4, 1992 from suffocation while being restrained at Rite of
>Passage in Nevada.
>
>Casey Collier, 17
>Died December 21, 1993 of asphyxiation after being forcibly restrained at the
>Cleo Wallace Center in Colorado.
>
>Sabrina E. Day, 15
>Died February 10.2000 after being restrained at the North Carolina Group Home
>
>Sakena Dorsey, 18
>Died June 10.1997 from suffocation during a face down restraint, with a staff
>member laying across her back at Foundations Behavioral Health in
>Pennsylvania. She had a medical history of asthma and swollen tonsils that hindered her
>breathing.
>
>Mark Draheim, 14
>Died December 1998 of asphyxiation while being forcibly restrained by three
>staff members at Kids Peace in Pennsylvania
>
>Kara Fuller-Otter, 12
>Died June 7, 2001, killing herself while suffering withdrawal from an
>antidepressant.
>
>Anthony Green, 15
>Died May 12, 1991 while being restrained face down on the floor for 15
>minutes at the Brookhaven Youth Ranch in Texas.
>
>Jamar Griffiths, 15
>Died October 18, 1994 of heart and lung failure while being restrained at the
>Allen Residential Center in New York.
>
>Diane Harris, 17
>Died April 11, 1990 after being violently restrained at the Sequin Community
>Living Center in Texas.
>
>Tony Haynes,14
>Died July 1.2001 after being restrained at America's Buffalo Soldiers in
>Arizona.
>
>Charlotte Holliman 14
>Died July 31, 1992 from hanging herself while on an antidepressant at Truckee
>Meadows Hospital, Nevada
>
>Demetrius Jeffries, 17
>Died August 26, 1997 from strangulation while in a restraint hold at the
>Crockett State School in Texas.
>
>Jimmy Kanda, 6
>Died September 20.1997 from strangulation while in a restraint hold at Crow's
>Next Family Care Home in California.
>
>William "Eddie" Lee, 15
>Died September 18, 2000, after being restrained at Obsidian Trails Wilderness
>Camp in Oregon.
>
>John McCloskey, 18
>Died February 24, 1996, from a ruptured liver and a torn color and small
>intestine after being sodomized with a broom-like handle while at Western State
>Hospital in Virginia.
>
>Shinaul McGraw,12
>Died June 5, 1994 of extremely high body temperature after being wrapped in a
>bed sheet with gauze over her mouth and being restrained to a bed at New
>Directions, Second Chance in Washington.
>
>Caitlin McIntosh, 12
>Died January 5, 2000, in Texas from hanging herself after being on a cocktail
>of four psychiatric drugs.
>
>Kristal Mayon-Ceniceros, 16
>Died February 5, 1999, of respiratory arrest after being restrained face down
>on the floor by four staff members at New Alternatives in Chula Vista,
>California.
>
>Thomas Mapes, 17
>Died July 8.1994 of asphyxiation after being handcuffed and pushed face down
>on the floor at the Youth Center at Topeka in Kansas.
>
>Amanda Mead,18
>Died 1991 from two undiagnosed brain tumors. A California school counselor
>and psychiatrist had wrongly labeled her as manic-depressive.
>
>Travis Neal, 13
>Died November 24, 1997 , in Michigan, collapsing from a heart attack after
>taking a psychiatric stimulant for years.
>
>Candace Newmaker, 10
>Died April 2000 after being wrapped in a sheet and pushed by adults for 70
>minutes in a Colorado therapy session.
>
>Cameron Pettus, 12
>Died August 2, 1993, in Austin, Texas, from toxic levels of an
>antidepressant.
>
>
>Dustin E. Phelps, 14
>Died March 1, 1998, after being strapped in a blanket and mattress at a
>Lancaster foster home in Ohio.
>
>Bobby Jo Randolph, 17
>Died September 26.1996 from asphyxia due to compression of the neck after
>being restrained by two aides at the Progressive Youth Center in Texas.
>
>Kevin Neil Rider, 14
>Died June 3.2000 in Utah from shooting himself during antidepressant
>withdrawal.
>
>Eric Roberts, 16
>Died February 2, 1996, after being wrapped in a plastic and foam blanket with
>Velcro for one hour at Odyssey Harbor in Texas.
>
>Robert Rollins, 12
>Died April 21, 1997, from asphyxiation while being restrained face down with
>arms crossed over his chest after a dispute over his missing teddy bear at
>Deveraux School in Massachusetts.
>
>Joshua Sharpe, 17
>Died December 28, 1999, while being restrained at the Wisconsin Treatment
>Center.
>
>Macauley Showalter, 7
>Died September 30, 2000, in Hutchinson, Minnesota, of cardiac arrest while
>taking a psychiatric stimulant and three other psychiatric drugs.
>
>Earl Smith 9
>Died January 1, 1995, from asphyxiation due to chest compression while being
>restrained face down by a Children's Village staff member in Michigan.
>
>Mark Soares, 16
>Died April 29, 1998, of cardiac arrest from physical restrain when aides at
>Wayside Union Academy in Massachusetts thought he was "faking" unconsciousness.
>
>Randy Steele, 9
>Died February 6, 2000, of a heart attack while being restrained at Laurel
>Ridge Hospital in San Antonio. He had an enlarged heart and had been on several
>stimulant and several other psychiatric drugs.
>
>Jason Tallman, 12
>Died May 12, 1993 from suffocation while being restrained face down on a
>pillow at Kids Peace in Pennsylvania.
>
>Bobby Sue Thomas, 17
>Died August 16, 1996 from acute cardiac arrhythmia while being restrained
>face down at Northwood Children's Home in Minnesota.
>
>Timithy Thomas, 9
>Died March 11, 1999, while being restrained at the Grandfather Home for
>Children in North Carolina.
>
>Tanner Wilson, 11
>Died February 9, 2001, from a heart attack while being physically restrained
>at the Gerard of Iowa Facility.
>
>Michael Wiltsie, 12
>Died February 5, 2000, of asphyxiation while being restrained at Eckherd
>Youth Alternatives In Florida.
>
>Willy Wright, 14
>Died March 4, 2000, from suffocation while being restrained by staff at
>Southwest Mental Health Center in San Antonio, Texas.
>
>Jaimie Young, 13
>Died June 5, 1993, while on a hike at Ramsey Canyon Hospital & Treatment
>Center in Arizona. Autopsy found that death was caused by heat stroke with
>dehydration triggered by 10 times the lethal levels of an antidepressant in her
>system.
>
>Kelly Young, 17
>Died March 4, 1998 of asphyxiation while being restrained on the floor at
>Brisbane Child Treatment Center in New Jersey.
>
>Stephanie Hall, 11
>Died January 5, 1996, as a result of the use of psychiatric
>medications. While the coroner ruled her death to be of natural causes. It
>is anything but natural.
>
>Samuel Grossman, 13
>Died from an enlarged heart, a heart attack that was the consequence of
>long-term use of a psychiatric stimulant.
>
>Cecil Reed 16
>Died on April 7, 2000, suffering a massive heart attack while at the Bronx
>Children's Psychiatric Center in New York. With toxic levels of four psychiatric
>medications.
>
>Matthew Miller, 13
>His death is recorded as a suicide but is a direct result of the effects of
>an antidepressant.
>
>Raymond Perrone, 10
>His death recorded as a suicide, but is a result of withdrawal from a
>psychotropic drug.
>
>Daniel Ehrlich, 14
>Suicide from withdrawal of a stimulant drug.
>
>Tristan Sovern, 16
>Died of violent restraint the Charter Behavioral Health Systems hospital in
>North Carolina by two facility staff workers.
>
>Andrew McClain, 11
>Died of violent restraint while a patient at Elmcrest Behavior Network in
>Portland Connecticut by two staff members.
>
>Roshelle Clayborne,16
>Died of violent restraint at the Laurel Ridge Residential Treatment Center in
>SanAntonio Texas. Eight staff members participated in this death.
>
>
>In closing,
>and as a mother of four teenagers, ages 15, 17, 18, and 19,
>I would be arrested for any of these offenses.
>No one is entitled to commit these actions against children,
>and there is no title, program or guise for treatment, that is exempt or
>holds an entitlement of an excuse for immunity.
>We have a nation of parents whose parental rights were terminated, for even a
>very minimal coarse gesture. We have a systematic failure that is not held
>accountable to the children or the murder.
>When we remove children in an effort to modify parents behavior, or the
>childs,
>we as a society are then accountable.
>I do not believe death is the appropriate behavior modification we should be
>looking for.
>
>
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« Reply #65 on: November 17, 2003, 01:04:00 PM »
Of course it makes me sick, or I wouldn't be here.

In the other issue where I'm active, we have people who have occasionally done really obnoxious things such that many of us feel about them the way many of you feel about Carey.

Fine.  It's 100% okay for you to feel that way.  I understand why you feel that way.  I'm just saying that focusing on it and letting it divert your time and effort is counterproductive.

And I've heard ranting not just about Carey, but sometimes some of it spills over onto Ginger, and some of it spills over onto ISAC---and it's counterproductive.

I'm not saying take someone you don't trust to your bosom and tell them all your gameplans and personal details, I'm saying you guys would be better off just ignoring the hell out of her and just posting a link to a page that explains why you have a problem with her if the subject comes up with newbies.

She would be better off just posting a link to a page with her side of it when the subject comes up with newbies, because all of you are repeating yourselves.

BOTH sides are losing by spending so much time on this spat.  The only ones winning from the ongoing vocalness of the spat are the TBS's.

I'm not saying kiss and make up.  I'm saying go ahead and accept that the divorce is final and quit hashing it over and over again.  Stick a fork in it, it's done.

On the stupid PURE thing, even if they completely, totally suck, if they're willing to change the laws for more meaningful government oversight, and more safeguards before kids are incarcerated, and put in place (for example) an ethical checklist for when your kid is just a normal obnoxious teen that doesn't need to be placed *anywhere*, then they're AT LEAST TEMPORARILY fellow travelers, too (don't shoot me!)----because those are more safeguards than the poor kids have NOW.

A kid addicted to prescription pain meds, heroin, or alcohol needs residential treatment.  A kid who is actively threatening suicide needs residential treatment.  A kid who is actively threatening violence as a result of a major mental illness needs residential treatment.

There will HAVE to be some small number of TBS's to deal with those cases.  They can at least be GOOD TBS's with COMPETENT pshrinks who will keep the kid caught up on his schoolwork and send him right back home once he's gone through detox or is stable on medication (whichever applies).

And in some cases, if the kid just doesn't get along with his/her parents, there will be a need for academic boarding schools just because the KID would rather be there than with his/her asshole parents.  They should at least be GOOD academic boarding schools that don't try to therapize a kid just because he/she doesn't like his/her asshole parents.  (Kid may be an asshole, too, but may get along fine in an academic boarding school away from Mom and Dad).

So IF Pure or whoever are willing to submit to meaningful changes to clean up their act (and I have my doubts, but it's at least theoretically POSSIBLE), then fine.  Put the changes they'll willingly submit to in place first and then hash out the details of fixing whatever problems are left.

Now, the rest of you may have very good reason to believe Pure is not sincere about cleaning up their act.  I haven't been around long enough to know, yet.  I'm leaning against believing they're sincere because of their reaction when Ginger posted a hypothetical typical annoying teen and they looked like they were quite willing to find someplace to incarcerate a kid who didn't need it.

But, hypothetically, say ONE company was willing to submit to full regulation, a court hearing for the teen before commitment (with right to separate representation for the teen--separate from his parents), specific, limited, and appropriate criteria for commitment---well, great.  Then that ONE company should be the ONE company that would survive the shakeout in a much reduced industry that ONLY handled the few cases where inpatient commitment is necessary and appropriate.

Anyway, that's what I think.  Gotta go.
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« Reply #66 on: November 17, 2003, 01:39:00 PM »
Finally, someone with some intelligence!  We are not letting it divert our attention.  Quite the contrary.  We just like messing with her and letting her know that we will not just roll over and let bygones be bygones and it's ok to turn over confidential information to the enemy.  And it's just damned hard to sit back and read her posts about her honesty and "HER" truths.  But your right, the worst thing we could do would be to ignore Carey.  She can't stand not being the center of attention.  Thanks for your insight :tup: .  And by the way, I commend ISAC 100% for the hard work that they do.  They are a group of awesome people.
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« Reply #67 on: November 17, 2003, 01:45:00 PM »
Suck it up!!! Maybe ISAC will let you take over their bulletin board to promote your agenda. God knows you people have run the clock out here.  

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« Reply #68 on: November 17, 2003, 02:06:00 PM »
I don't need to suck up dick head.  I merely made a statement.  Your probably too ignorant to know the kind of work they do.  ::bangin::
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« Reply #69 on: November 17, 2003, 02:29:00 PM »
Yup, that is definitly a sucking sound I heard.  Personally, I don't doubt ISAC is doing some good but so is Fornits, and in particular, Ginger.  So trek on over to ISAC's board or any other board and help yourself to some bandwidth that better supports your agenda.

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« Reply #70 on: November 17, 2003, 03:08:00 PM »
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On 2003-11-17 10:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Suck it up!!! Maybe ISAC will let you take over their bulletin board to promote your agenda. God knows you people have run the clock out here.  



 :silly: "


ISAC has done more than the rest of you motherfuckers COMBINED. You suck it up, faggot!
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« Reply #71 on: November 17, 2003, 04:38:00 PM »
Hey Anon,
Is that info you posted "The Silent Death Of America's Children" on the web somewhere? Please provide a link.

Thanks
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« Reply #72 on: November 17, 2003, 04:56:00 PM »
Yes Deborah it is and I will try to find the link for you.  I had it saved from a friend who sent it to me.
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« Reply #73 on: November 17, 2003, 04:59:00 PM »
Frod....The ISAC basher was just trying to pull our chain.  Anyone with any common sense knows that ISAC can see through a suck up.  I merely made a statement about the great work they do.  It was probably you know who posting anon to tick us off.
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« Reply #74 on: November 17, 2003, 06:30:00 PM »
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On 2003-11-17 13:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Frod....The ISAC basher was just trying to pull our chain.  Anyone with any common sense knows that ISAC can see through a suck up.  I merely made a statement about the great work they do.  It was probably you know who posting anon to tick us off."


Nope, it wasn't you-know-who that made the post, you paranoid suck-up dipstick.  
 
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