Trekkers and Pure

[Carey]

All of those who are associated with Trekkers and Pure (if anyone would like a list of those names let me know) have been sharing peoples private messages without their knowledge.

What they do is they hack their way onto the BBS and they copy the messages and then post them on their Trekkers list.  These people whose messages are being posted are not aware of this fact.   I wonder how they would feel if they knew that their messages were being posted without their knowledge by Trekkers/PUREsts.  

Why is it alright you PUREst for you to cut and paste other peoples messages without their consent?  

It is so amazing that PUREst are so ready to point fingers at people for doing what they do.

They place kids in risky programs, WWASP places kids in risky programs.

They limit access to their listserve (they don't want to allow others opinions, someone might be woke up), WWASP limits access to their BBS.

They share other peoples posts, I share their posts.

And so on and so on.....

[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-11-14 05:10 ]

[Froderik]

ISAC isn't PURE...Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Antigen]

Folks, I've said this before and I'll say it again.

This is a tempest in a teapot in the middle of a class 5 hurricane going on outside.

Here's what it reminds me of. When Straight was getting busted back around `83, they cast Miller Newton as the bad apple and kicked him to the curb. And the beatings went on...

When SAFE was under fire in Orlando back in 2000, suddenly they noticed that Loretta had been living the high life and they accused her of embezzlement (which she probably had done) and the beatings went on.

Now, it seems, WWASP is under fire, Sue branched off and got a bunch of people convinced that they're the only bad guys and she and her followers are good and right and faultless. To keep anyone from looking too closely at the similarities, they're doing the same thing program people always do; find some minor fault, real or imagined (I honestly don't know which) and blow it out of all preportion so that, they can go on playing the nobel martyrs. Which of the Treckers have fallen for it and which have not, the world may never know.

For a time, ISAC ppl went to bat for PURE without reservation. They were so completely sold on the scam that they accused anybody who questioned the high holy sanctity of PURE of supporting WWASP.

I think what happened is that Carey and Sue got into a huge brawl, Carey used some past correspondence to support her side of the argument and now the PURE people have cast her as the maniacal, evil villian. She may well have been at some fault; might have committed a lack of discretion along the way. I don't know. But she's damned sure not bilking irationally frightened parents out of big chunks of money to have their kids kidnapped in the night.

I don't even know who all the PUREists are, except those listed on their website, or who the Treckers are, except those who've told me they are (and I'm not sayin'). But I honestly think they've fallen for the classic Uneasy Rider ruse.

"Well you may not know it
But this gal's a spy
She's an undercover agent for the FBI
She's been sent out here to infiltrate the KU Klux Klan."

A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace.
http://memory.loc.gov/const/fed/fed_46.html' target='_new'>James Madison, The Federalist No. 46

[Anonymous]

Hey, apparently this PURE group agrees with you, judging by their website advocating reform of the very business they are in.  WTF??  Who can you trust, they ask in their newsletter.  Anybody have an answer to that question?  ISAC?  Uncle Sam?  The Trekkers?  My money is on Fornits.  The home of the Survivors of these programs, themselves and a small but vocal group of truthseekers who are not easily bullshitted by the troops.

 :wave:

[Anonymous]

Ginger,

You are missing some very vital facts.
All trekkers and their families for the most part have been harmed by wwasp.

Carey used similar relentless non-flexible behaviors, attitudes as she exhibits on this forum in our group. It was NOT appreciated.

As a group she was voted OUT.

Her giving wwasp personal emails has initiated in wwasp filing suit against some trekkers.

Her behavior,personal vendetta eventually will impact innocent families. Whether that be finacially, emotionally or what.

You are mistaken in suggesting all folks involved with Pure promotes programs. As volunteers we share our personal experience if asked,under our First Amendment right.

I for one appreciated the kindness Pure provided in my time of major distress.

When I realized a particular staff from wwasp was an "alledged" pedophile.

Nothing YOU or Carey can say can distract from that fact.

For you  to continue to make insinuations about Pure that have not been substantiated is wrong.

My facts HAVE been substantiated.

Trekers facts are substantiated.Trekkers will be vindicated.

Carey is INCONSEQUENTIAL in the big scheme of things. She is a back stabber for her own personal purpose.She does not deserve respect or your defense.

Right or wrong, the escorts who helped with my son ,according to my son, were kind,gentle,caring men. I appreciated them at the time for what they do.

Not all programs, escorts can be lumped into a whole. It's ignorant to suggest otherwise.Our reality is the "teen help industry" is alive and thriving. Oour job is to see that they provide ehtical, moral, humane ,kind , theraputic care for the kids in need.

Allowing a child who is so desperate that they may be cutting themselves,self destructing to continue without intervention is nelegent on a parent's part.  The demand for help is real.

Efforts should be put into demanding quaility care from these "schools." The support available for parents is limited. To sit back and judge is easy .To really work hard at making a differnce is a tougher task.

I am so over the Carey thing. Lets move forward!

[Anonymous]

Jeez, I am beginning to think the only good trekker is an ex-trekker.  

 :wave:

[Anonymous]

Oh, so now Ginger is the stupid one?  Get over yourself, Anon.  In fact, take a hike, Trekkie.

 :smokin:

[Froderik]

For a time, ISAC ppl went to bat for PURE without reservation. They were so completely sold on the scam that they accused anybody who questioned the high holy sanctity of PURE of supporting WWASP.

Couldn't PURE be seen at least as the "lesser of two evils?" If not PURE, then what would you propose be done to get these kids out of the clutches of their duped parents and WWASP?

[Anonymous]

Anon,  

How rude you are. You must be a wwaspie. I have experinceed them before.Rude and disrespectful.

I never said Ginger was stupid. Obviously Ginger is not stupid.

Some of her information is incorrect.

Take a hike. as along as the facts are straight. I am gone. I have work to do.......

[Anonymous]

This has been said before, but it seems people have a short memory on this forum.

There are many parents that were on the trekkers listserve that have nothing to do with PURE.  Please stop grouping these groups together.  As for PUREists, there are few.

Carey, you hurt many of these people that are trying to save children, and change legislature by giving their personal information to WWASP because you have a problem with PURE and keep linking trekkers and PURE together.

[Anonymous]

Just to clairiy a few of Carey's more desperate attempts to justify her actions:

No body ever hacked in to the BBS. There are people who continued to have access. It was legitimate access to the board. Its not anyone?s fault but wwasps' if they weren't always so careful to boot dissatisfied parents.

On occasion BBS posts were consider by trekkers. Not often, but on occasion. But there is a vital difference between this and what Carey does and has done: It was never posted Publicly! It was never with intent to do harm to Anybody! It was always with regard to how best to help in any given situation. WWASP might beg to differ, but the parents and kids involved wouldn't.

And to drive home the point, Trekkers had nothing to do with PURE. One member is associated, but that is all. The rest are people just like some here. Parents who woke up. People who feel WWASP is lying to and manipulating parents in crisis; and abussing and neglecting their students; and who think this an evil that needs to be interfered with.

Carey has delivered a crippling blow to the Trekkers, and in actuality, Trekkers are no more.

But we who were Trekkers are all still in the fight, and or resolve has only hardened.

Ginger, maybe I take you wrong, but you seem to be saying none of this matters, that its no big deal. I disagree. And I feel its important to help people understand what kind of person Carey is. There are many not closely associated with our grievance with her, who might remain under the impression she is  solidly against the program's efforts; and they are wrong. If they don't find out the truth, they could provide her with yet more sensitive information that would go straight to wwasp. It does matter and people do need to understand what she has done.

[Anonymous]

Trekkers:  It doesn't matter.  WWASPS is not the only game in town and your problems with Carey are of your own making.  All this damage control b.s. is really boring.

 :wave:

[Froderik]

I agree it's boring.
But it's of HER making, no
one else's. Word.

[animals all of us]

Fuck you Carey.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-11-14 10:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This has been said before, but it seems people have a short memory on this forum.



There are many parents that were on the trekkers listserve that have nothing to do with PURE.  Please stop grouping these groups together.  As for PUREists, there are few.



Carey, you hurt many of these people that are trying to save children, and change legislature by giving their personal information to WWASP because you have a problem with PURE and keep linking trekkers and PURE together."

Define PURE.  What is it?  A person, a group, a listserve, what?

Define Trekkers:  What is it? A person, a group, a listserve, what?

Second, explain the connection between the two?  Is someone from PURE a TREKKER, or is it the other way around, a TREKKER is a PURE?

Just as long as whatever ails these folks isn't contagious, I'm happy!  Time to stop the flamin though.  You all sound like a bunch of meanies.
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