On 2003-11-14 10:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
No body ever hacked in to the BBS. There are people who continued to have access. It was legitimate access to the board. Its not anyone?s fault but wwasps' if they weren't always so careful to boot dissatisfied parents.
I haven't read it, but I know how WWASP is and how jaberwocks are in general. I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that if you read the terms of the user agreement by which ya'll accessed the site, you'll find that you've violated them somehow. So, technically, you probably did hack the forum. If so, your argument is about the same as saying "It's not my fault I stole it, they should have locked the door." If not, well all I can say is their lawyers certainly aren't setting a good example, work ethic wise, for anybody!
However, not being the consumate geek that I am, she probably would't know that definition any better than you do. (I'm sure neither of you meant "hack" in the sense that you guys wrote the code to build the forum). So I think it's just frustrated exageration.
On occasion BBS posts were consider by trekkers. Not often, but on occasion. But there is a vital difference between this and what Carey does and has done: It was never posted Publicly! It was never with intent to do harm to Anybody! It was always with regard to how best to help in any given situation. WWASP might beg to differ, but the parents and kids involved wouldn't.
Then get a good first amendment lawyer who's willing to fight for your freedom of speech and the prospect of a countersuit for malicious prosecution.
But I suspect you'll have as hard a time proving that bit about no ill intent as WWASP does. See, they have good intentions too. Ask any judge who court orders kids there or any little school district (or the 2nd largest in the country!) who invites them to go a recruiting. They all have good intentions. Even Hitler thought he was saving his homeland.
You think it's a coincidence that megalomaniacs seem to be drawn to this industry like pedophiles to the priesthood? Here's a hint. It's not really about the kids. Kid's can't sign checks. They're just the scapegoats and hobgoblins. It's all about the parents.
And to drive home the point, Trekkers had nothing to do with PURE. One member is associated, but that is all. The rest are people just like some here. Parents who woke up. People who feel WWASP is lying to and manipulating parents in crisis; and abussing and neglecting their students; and who think this an evil that needs to be interfered with.
Like a battered woman bouncing from wife beater to wife beater. Stop it, already!
Carey has delivered a crippling blow to the Trekkers, and in actuality, Trekkers are no more.
You mean they don't exist anymore? Or they just don't subscribe to the Treckers' list-server anymore? Again, if anyone's actually been sued, and not just threatened, tell someone. You don't have to fold. There are a LOT of people who'd like to see these people under sworn deposition answering question from the defense atty about exactly why ya'll feel the need to raise a
hew and cry (look it up, it's common law and, therefore, extremely potent magic!)
But we who were Trekkers are all still in the fight, and or resolve has only hardened.
Ginger, maybe I take you wrong, but you seem to be saying none of this matters, that its no big deal. I disagree. And I feel its important to help people understand what kind of person Carey is. There are many not closely associated with our grievance with her, who might remain under the impression she is solidly against the program's efforts; and they are wrong. If they don't find out the truth, they could provide her with yet more sensitive information that would go straight to wwasp. It does matter and people do need to understand what she has done.
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Ok, you're insinuation that there's a lot I don't know. Something that will explain it all.
But I haven't seen anything to support the idea that Carey supports WWASP. In fact, she's done a some things now and again that would really piss me off if I worked for WWASP and had paid her to help.
Pitting one bad guy against another? Ok, I've seen enough to believe that. And I don't think that's usually a good idea. It's mutual destruction by scorched earth and I prefer the more organic approach of creating condition where beneficials thrive out over harmfuls. Hence the favorite quote at the head of the page that I made static to pinch a few pennies on bandwidth fees.
Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundation, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.
Anonymity Anonymous
