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« on: October 25, 2003, 07:49:00 AM »
Judge ends pulls plug on teen program

By Jacob Santini
The Salt Lake Tribune
October 25, 2003

    It took 15 months, but Judith Pinson, the birth mother of a teen who died of heat exhaustion while hiking in a Utah outdoor wilderness therapy program last summer, finally received news Friday she had wanted to hear.
    In a ruling released Friday, a state administrative judge revoked the operating license of Skyline Journey over the July 13, 2002, death of Ian August, a 14-year-old Texas boy enrolled in the program by his adoptive mother. The Nephi-based business has until next Friday to shut down and send an estimated 10 campers back to their homes.
    "It's nice to get some good news," Pinson said in a telephone interview from Drumright, Okla. "It showed me somebody did pay attention. [Ian's] death means something."
    Lee Wardle, an owner of the program, declined to say if Skyline Journey would appeal the ruling to a district court.
    "I don't want to say anything at this point," Wardle said.
    Ruling on just one of four operating violations alleged by the state during a series of hearings earlier this summer, the judge found that Skyline failed to provide a description of the environment and demands of the program on a form sent to a Texas doctor who cleared August to enroll.
    Calling the requirement "one of the most critical rules governing wilderness programs," Sheleigh Harding, a Department of Human Service's administrative judge, said "Ian's doctor never had the opportunity to determine whether Ian's 'fair' physical condition would make him an appropriate candidate for the types of activities Skyline Journey would require him to do."
    August stood at 5 feet 3 inches and weighed 198 pounds and was taking a medication that may have made him susceptible to overheating.
    On the day of his death, August set out with five other teens and three counselors on a scheduled 3-mile trek across the Sawtooth Mountain region in western Millard County as a heat wave set records across the state. The group had covered little more than a mile in about 3 1/2 hours when August crested a ridge and refused to hike further.
    The teen reportedly stood and sat in the sun for at least an hour before collapsing and being moved to the shade of two trees, according to court records. By 1:30 p.m., August stopped breathing and counselors were unable to revive him through several hours of CPR.
    An autopsy later determined the teen died of hyperthermia, better known as heat exhaustion.
    Mark Wardle, a program manager and part-owner of Skyline Journey, was cleared of criminal wrongdoing in August's death when a 4th District Court judge dismissed a charge of child abuse homicide against him in February.
    Judith August, the teen's adoptive mother who reportedly has defended Skyline Journey in the past, didn't return telephone calls Friday.
    Ken Stettler, the director of the state Office of Licensing, which regulates wilderness therapy programs in Utah (there are five others now operating), said Harding's ruling is "what we expected."
    "I'm never pleased to see a program lose its license and operators losing their livelihood," he added.
    The state also had alleged the Skyline staff failed to treat August in a timely manner, the hike exceeded the capabilities of the weakest member and the program failed to complete a review of the teen's health history before accepting him for enrollment.
    Harding, however, declined to rule on the three allegations because a program can lose its license for just one violation.
    State law requires wilderness programs to obtain a license prior to starting operations. That provision would prevent the Wardles from starting another program in Utah under a new name, Stettler said. But there is nothing to prevent them from starting a program in another state.
    Cathy Sutton, the mother of the first teen to die in a Utah wilderness program 13 years ago, has fought unsuccessfully for years to create national regulations and licenses to govern the industry and its operators.
    "I'm tired of saying the same thing," Sutton, of Ripon, Calif., said Friday. "The only thing that gets me thrilled, excited, and is worth talking about, is national legislation."
    Sutton's daughter, Michelle, 15, died in May 1990 while hiking in the Arizona Strip as part of a St. George-based program. Authorities attributed her death to dehydration, heat exhaustion and altitude sickness. The state eventually closed the program; the Suttons received $345,000 to settle a wrongful-death lawsuit they brought against the program.
    In the years since, Sutton's campaign for national regulations has done little, as programs across the country have remained popular and many parents praise them for changing the lives of their troubled children.
    But today, Sutton has one additional ally.
    "Not an hour goes by in the day that I don't think of him," Pinson said of the son she gave up at birth but with whom she remained in contact through an open adoption arrangement. "He's always in my heart. . . . Why should other parents have to go through what I have?"

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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2003, 10:52:00 AM »
Great news...for the moment.
More on this topic at:

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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2003, 05:01:00 PM »
What the hell are you people thinking?

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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2003, 06:05:00 PM »
Grrrr why am I so coldhearted?
I get so fucking pissed when I read some mother whining about what SHE went through.

and then gets handed a chunk of change for a wrongful death lawsuit.

pawned their kid off now got money for it. :flame:

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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2003, 07:50:00 PM »
Yeah, it sort of burns me up too. But these parents have to live with their choices forever, even if they never, ever acknowledge their mistakes. How many among us have intentionally raised our kids as far away from their grandparents as possible for reasons directly related to the Program? That's just one precious loss in their lives.

OTOH, how much would it have meant to you as a kid if your parents had sued the hell out of Straight and made a big, public stink about the harm Straight did to you? Hell, even a sincere apology did wonders for mine and my dad's relationship.

The legislature is to society as a physician is to the patient. If a physician ignored side effects of medications like today's legislators ignore the side effects of their legislation, the physician would be accused of malpractice. I accuse today's legislators (with rare exception) of legislative malpractice. Many of the ills that are so obvious in our society are a direct result of previous legislation. Their solution? More laws!
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2003, 08:05:00 PM »
kdj,
I hear your frustration, I for one wouldn't consider sending my minor child to strangers, but there are situations in which parents are sold a bill of goods. Here's a link to a post by Cathy Sutton.

http://www.nospank.net/n-d07.htm
For those of you who may not know, my daughter Michelle died on May 9th, 1990 while in the Summit Quest program, Utah. Michelle died of dehydration on the 7th day into the program while being accused of faking her flu like symptoms that began the day she arrived. While it has been said to me many times that I picked the program for my daughter and that she came from a dysfunctional family, I know that the program Michelle and I picked (the one SOLD to us) and the program my daughter received, were two totally different programs. We did not know the Summit Quest program was punitive. Can the state of California claim the same? They knew!! Who's dysfunctional now?
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2003, 08:42:00 PM »
Mark Wardle (Skyline Journey) was formerly associated with Sage Walk, On Track and Red Cliff Ascent.  There is another Wardle (not sure if he is related to Skyline "Wardles" or not) that works for Diamond Ranch Academy, Hurricane, Utah.

http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... sit03.html

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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2003, 09:07:00 PM »
I know and I do understand but it still angers me that most people will research a car more then the program they put their kid into.

BTW an apology STILL would go a long way in healing my realtionship with my parents. :evil:

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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2003, 11:34:00 AM »
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On 2003-10-25 18:07:00, kaydeejaded wrote:

"I know and I do understand but it still angers me that most people will research a car more then the program they put their kid into.



BTW an apology STILL would go a long way in healing my realtionship with my parents. :evil:

I tried for years to live according to everyone else's morality.
I tried to live like everyone else, to be like everyone else.
I said the right things even when I felt and thought quite differently.
And the result is a catastrophe.

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This is why I think there should be a national law mandating a court order for juvenile involuntary commitment, and requiring full informed consent for juvenile voluntary commitment.

There is a certain incidence of mental health problems in the adult population.  These people have kids.  They raise the kids in crazy environments, because of their own problems.  They don't know they're suffering mental health problems, so when whatever the kid inherited genetically interacts with the nutty environment to produce teenage problems, they see the teen as The One With The Problem.

They're easily sold a bill of goods by these programs because these programs have relatively sane but unscrupulous people manipulating mentally ill people---like shooting fish in a barrel.

There needs to be a requirement for a court order for juvenile commitment, with the review of the mental health of the child and the parents.  If the parents have significant mental health problems that could or do impact parenting style and the child's home environment, the child should first be placed with mentally healthy foster parents to see if all the child needs is a sane environment and perhaps outpatient treatment.

For adults with serious, life impacting mental problems, the rule is the patient is entitled to the least restrictive environment effective for treating the problem.

These kids, if their parents have mental health problems, deserve a chance in foster care with outpatient treatment BEFORE the heavy hammer of involuntary commitment---and restrictive boarding schools DO constitute involuntary commitment---is brought to bear.

I think the kid should also be shown the diagnostic criteria for ODD and CD before being placed in foster care.  That way they know the criteria under which they're being evaluated, and have the opportunity to keep their noses clean if they can and will and avoid involuntary commitment.

But the programs don't want the teens who would respond well to outpatient treatment in foster care treated that way, because then the programs would lose the money that could be scammed out of the nutty parents.

Blaming the parents, if they are mentally ill, is like blaming a retarded kid for being scammed out of the hundred dollars you handed him before turning him loose in a poker game.  Blame the people who are preying on the parents' mental illnesses.

Now, if the parents are mentally healthy and just negligent, fine, hang 'em high.  But when they're mentally ill themselves, they're just too damned easy for these program sharks to manipulate.
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2003, 12:02:00 PM »
I agree with most of what you're saying, except for one thing. I don't think we need yet more federal legislation to fix this. I think we just need to apply the law as it is. Kids have rights. Kidnapping is already illegal. Assault is already illegal. There's no exception in the Constitution for minors. I agree with another poster who said that anything that would get CPS involved in the burbs ought to be enforced just as vigorously in private institutions.

That's beginning to happen to some extent. I think the IVth estate of government, the free press, is the best tool for the job.


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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2003, 12:45:00 PM »
I agree with you Ginger it just makes me nervous to have any more "laws" esp. ones reaching back to Bush DFAF think about how helpful they would be.

Anyway they way justice moves we would all be dead before they set us free. They were investigating the straights for a year or something like that when they decided it was unsafe. Anything could of happened and did in that year.

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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2003, 01:27:00 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2003, 08:02:00 PM »
I am just glad that another one of these places has been shut down .Saw the article in my paper ,and did my Tiger Woods impression when he sinks a hard and long putt .

Yes indeed,and another one bites the dust.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2003, 08:56:00 PM »
Yeah, it's definitely a hit. But not necessarily a home run. If you check on the history of the owner, you find that familiar pattern where the guy's been affiliated with a few other schools and wilderness programs, some or all of which have shut down. Now the court stipulates that he's got to pull up stakes and set up in another state. Oh bother!

I think we are winning in the long run, though. I actually think it's a little funny that WWASP is suing PURE. Is the market in gullible parents and TOUGHLOVE judges getting that tight that they have to start going after eachother now?

At the bottom of it all, WWASP believers seem to be repeating like a magical incantation that all criticizm of them comes from these half a dozen or so people affiliated with PURE. Nothing could be further from the truth! This has been goning on since before Sue Scheff started recruiting for WWASP!

But I do find it disturbing that some folks I know who started out to oppose the Program seem to have fallen for this WWASP vs PURE false imperative. It seems to have the strength of an article of faith.

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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2003, 12:07:00 AM »
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"Yeah, it's definitely a hit. But not necessarily a home run. If you check on the history of the owner, you find that familiar pattern where the guy's been affiliated with a few other schools and wilderness programs, some or all of which have shut down. Now the court stipulates that he's got to pull up stakes and set up in another state. Oh bother!



I think we are winning in the long run, though. I actually think it's a little funny that WWASP is suing PURE. Is the market in gullible parents and TOUGHLOVE judges getting that tight that they have to start going after eachother now?



At the bottom of it all, WWASP believers seem to be repeating like a magical incantation that all criticizm of them comes from these half a dozen or so people affiliated with PURE. Nothing could be further from the truth! This has been goning on since before Sue Scheff started recruiting for WWASP!



But I do find it disturbing that some folks I know who started out to oppose the Program seem to have fallen for this WWASP vs PURE false imperative. It seems to have the strength of an article of faith.

[1971 - 2001] the darkest chapter in Federal law enforcement history.
http://www.house.gov/reform/press/02.01.07.htm' target='_new'>Committee on Government Reform


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Yes, Ginger, it is disturbing, and the height of hypocrisy.

"None are so industrious to detect wickedness, or so ready to impute it, as they whose crimes are apparent and confessed. They envy an unblemished reputation, and what they envy they are busy to destroy: they are unwilling to suppose themselves meaner and more corrupt than others, and therefore willingly pull down from their elevations those with whom they cannot rise to an equality."
Johnson: Rambler #76 (December 8, 1750)

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