Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Ridge Creek "School" - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
Whooter:
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The only thing we can agree on is that programmies like yourself aren't concerned about safety for kids whenever it affects the bottom line.
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I read the posts above and I never said this nor insinuated it.
--- Quote ---You claim the program is implementing corrective action, yet how many times has this happened just at RC alone? You can't dismiss them all. As much as it burns Buchi up people from the state are going to keep coming, and we're going to keep posting these safety violations.
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No one can dismiss the reports, Robert, they are well documented. DHS will continue to hold their feet to the fire as they should do. RCS will continue to improve their process and train their people properly or they will eventually have to fold up their tent and go home.
I think all of us (You, me and RCS) are concerned for the kids we just see it from different vantage points, taking different paths and approaches.
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heretik:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Let me ask you a question, Heretik. We hear stories of programs serving rotten food and locking kids in isolation boxes for weeks at a time. We read about kids being isolated from their families without contact for months at a time and brainwashed. We have read about kids not getting hardly any education at all, etc. These were issues which defined these programs in many people minds. I have shown (and kids who wrote here on fornits) that these conditions have changed. Kids are receiving great meals, Vegetarian, Vegan etc., competing in sports against other highschools going white water rafting, going on dates into town, attending dances. There are programs where kids are not locked in boxes or cages today and can write to their families and have unmonitored phone calls. Kids are excelling at their academics and moving onto college after they graduate.
If it was okay to talk about how bad these conditions were then why are not the improvements recognized and applauded? Why do people like yourself see this information as a threat or non issue? If you are all about the kids( like you claim you are) why not be happy about these improvements and increases in quality of life for them? From my perspective the amount of effort many here put in to discrediting and ignoring the facts shows that you really are not interested in anything except your own stories and the why programs were in the past. Why does every discussion have to be about the negative aspects of the industry? Why not a more healthy honest discussion about the facts (good and bad)?
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No you have not shown anything of the sort. You did not know that these programs were committing these astrocities nor did you know that they were not. You can not say with any integrity that you have any education about any TTI history. All you know is what has been said here. It isn't like Aspen executives sat down for a meeting an said, "hey guys you know we have to do better then Straight Inc., Elan, Cedu and the others that serve rotten food, stress thought reform ect..." You want us to believe that there was a conscious improvement over the years to treatment methods within the TTI. Like these programs knew they were bad so they improved. Yeah Aspen saw what Elan and Straight were like and they wanted to be better. MBA and HLA were just impatience about their way of getting better.
You keep manipulating the whole point of what everyone else is talking about here and you do it on purpose. There has been no concerted effort by any organization to improve this industry. Not one treatment center has acknowledged either singularly or collectively that they needed to clean up their act and treat the children better, NEVER.
Nothing has gotten better in this industry, you just keep talking about apples when we are talking about oranges.
Nobody is discrediting, manipulating or trying to be negative concerning you. This whole speech of yours is old and rotten as it was years ago. It does not make any sense except to you.
It is so wonderful in your program (that you have made up, which is actually a school or limited weeks outward bound experience) is doing these things you have mentioned.
As Ursus said earlier, Elan also played sports, went sking, went to see colleges, worked at jobs outside, dated, ect.... and they still were beating up kids in the ring, spanking them with wooden paddles, cowboy asskicking residents, running after kids who tried to escape, deprived them food, made them work long hours, poured electric sauce all over them ect....Oh and they had great food. This was all going on up and into the year 2000 and beyond. Elan on facebook is a great read.
Your idea of honesty is a joke, because you don't really want to be honest. You want to play around and act like you really bring something to the table.
Whooter, like I have said all along it is the children. All about the children.
They are not safe.
Froderik:
--- Quote from: "heretik" ---Your idea of honesty is a joke, because you don't really want to be honest. You want to play around and act like you really bring something to the table.
Whooter, like I have said all along it is the children. All about the children.
They are not safe.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "heretik" ---Not one treatment center has acknowledged either singularly or collectively that they needed to clean up their act and treat the children better, NEVER.
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Very few industries are going to acknowledge their troubled past, it isnt good for business. Its best to listen to the feedback from parents, studies and the students, improve upon yourself and move forward, Heretik. The industry has improved. I have seen it first hand with the food quality, freedoms the children have and increased education. Do you think straight allowed their people to visit colleges or prepare them for college?
--- Quote ---As Ursus said earlier, Elan also played sports, went sking, went to see colleges, worked at jobs outside, dated, ect
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I think he just mentioned sports
--- Quote ---.... and they still were beating up kids in the ring, spanking them with wooden paddles, cowboy asskicking residents, running after kids who tried to escape, deprived them food, made them work long hours, poured electric sauce all over them ect....Oh and they had great food. This was all going on up and into the year 2000 and beyond. Elan on facebook is a great read.
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This shows that programs vary greatly from one to the next. Like I have said there are good programs and bad ones. We cant just keep pointing at the problems and saying they are typical of the industry.
--- Quote ---Your idea of honesty is a joke, because you don't really want to be honest. You want to play around and act like you really bring something to the table.
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You only see what you want to see Heretik and I don’t fault you for that. We are all products of our own experiences in life and you view programs from your own vantage point and it is hard to view the industry from a different view point.
--- Quote ---Whooter, like I have said all along it is the children. All about the children.
They are not safe.
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Some of these programs are the safest place a child can be. The programs provide 24/7 structure and safety. Its all about the kids, if you really cared you would care about all the kids (including those who need help and are getting it) not just some of them.
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heretik:
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--- Quote from: "heretik" ---Not one treatment center has acknowledged either singularly or collectively that they needed to clean up their act and treat the children better, NEVER.
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Very few industries are going to acknowledge their troubled past, it isnt good for business. Its best to listen to the feedback from parents, studies and the students, improve upon yourself and move forward, Heretik. The industry has improved. I have seen it first hand with the food quality, freedoms the children have and increased education. Do you think straight allowed their people to visit colleges or prepare them for college?
You don't know any of what you just said there ^ to be true at all. This is just some intellectual thought processing from you. You have read enough here to make careless comments like this. You actually have no hands on experience to say food has improved or not. All you have is what you have read here. Anybody could make the argument concerning business stratagem you posted above. My high school niece could have made that statement. This is what I mean, you try to act like you have some info that is pertinent to this discussion were having here and you don't.
--- Quote ---As Ursus said earlier, Elan also played sports, went sking, went to see colleges, worked at jobs outside, dated, ect
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I think he just mentioned sports
Really, here is your game again. When you don't like what we say you play games. You tried to act like you had some pertinent info concerning new programs, well guess what you don't. There is very little new, 95% of the new programs (your words) are very similar to the old (less the physical violence).
--- Quote ---.... and they still were beating up kids in the ring, spanking them with wooden paddles, cowboy asskicking residents, running after kids who tried to escape, deprived them food, made them work long hours, poured electric sauce all over them ect....Oh and they had great food. This was all going on up and into the year 2000 and beyond. Elan on facebook is a great read.
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This shows that programs vary greatly from one to the next. Like I have said there are good programs and bad ones. We cant just keep pointing at the problems and saying they are typical of the industry.
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--- Quote ---Your idea of honesty is a joke, because you don't really want to be honest. You want to play around and act like you really bring something to the table.
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You only see what you want to see Heretik and I don’t fault you for that. We are all products of our own experiences in life and you view programs from your own vantage point and it is hard to view the industry from a different view point.
Really so what are my experiences Whooter, please do tell? What am I a product of and where is my vantage point? My only point is the serious safety issues concerning children in these places. Period!
--- Quote ---Whooter, like I have said all along it is the children. All about the children.
They are not safe.
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Some of these programs are the safest place a child can be. The programs provide 24/7 structure and safety. Its all about the kids, if you really cared you would care about all the kids (including those who need help and are getting it) not just some of them.
For the one hundred thousandth time, name the programs please that you are referring to. You can't and have never been able to. All you enjoy doing is typing unsubstantiated nonsense and playing games. It is clear and this is why you are not taken seriously. You lack integrity and it shows.
Whooter the children need help, please at some point recognize this.
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