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Ridge Creek "School" - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RobertBruce" ---The fact that you didn't say it is the problem. These are safety issues, and you're attempting to downplay by claiming they are merely paperwork issues.
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So we can agree that I stated that many are paperwork issues. I wanted to establish this first. Now also there are safety issues, too. These have been documented by the DHS and the school has time to impliment corrective action. This is how the inspection process works. There are also Training issues which were found.
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RobertBruce:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I agree with oversight (and sometimes am on the fence regarding it), it can lead to a safer industry, just like forcing people to get a drivers’ license leads to safer roads. But the license and tests dont necessarily make me a better driver so if they didn’t force me to take the test then I would probably opt out of it. If the DHS wanted to inspect my home and interview my kids on a monthly basis I would probably fight against it. Overall it may make kids safer in the state but I feel I do a good job and therefore would fight against it and not document every time my kid fell down the stairs or I had to spank him etc.
So I do see the value in oversight but I also see why schools and programs fight against it. They don’t feel the DHS is making the kids safer in their particular school.
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So you feel that routine inspections and additional paperwork is not worth adding safety for a child.
You used these same bad analogies several years ago, they were no better then they are now. If you own a program you aren't raising your kids, you're being paid to raise someone elses, and thus are under closer scrutiny. Just as the health department isn't going to come into your kitchen and fine you for something they might fine a business owner for. A private home where a parent raises his own child is not the same as a program owner taking on respondsibility for other peoples children.
Are you having trouble understanding that?
Whether a programmie sees it a certain way or not does nothing to change the fact that oversite does make things safer, and even if routine inspections are a pain in the ass, the fact remains the same. If safety is a priority for these guys, why wouldnt they just grin and bear it? Why fight against it?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RobertBruce" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I agree with oversight (and sometimes am on the fence regarding it), it can lead to a safer industry, just like forcing people to get a drivers’ license leads to safer roads. But the license and tests dont necessarily make me a better driver so if they didn’t force me to take the test then I would probably opt out of it. If the DHS wanted to inspect my home and interview my kids on a monthly basis I would probably fight against it. Overall it may make kids safer in the state but I feel I do a good job and therefore would fight against it and not document every time my kid fell down the stairs or I had to spank him etc.
So I do see the value in oversight but I also see why schools and programs fight against it. They don’t feel the DHS is making the kids safer in their particular school.
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So you feel that routine inspections and additional paperwork is not worth adding safety for a child.
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The inspections and paperwork will ultimately add to the safety of the kids from an industry perspective. But from an individual viewpoint many times people feel that they are making the right decisions for the children and dont need the help of outside agencies to tell them what to do or micro manage them. I feel IRS audits are greatly needed in the US and although I run a tight ship and value my accounting team I dont see the need to have them hovering around. I dont call them if I think I violated a law I rely on my professional team, just like people dont call DHS on themselves if they have a problem. They are all valued industries as a whole but most people dont want them around.
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RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---So we can agree that I stated that many are paperwork issues. I wanted to establish this first. Now also there are safety issues, too. These have been documented by the DHS and the school has time to impliment corrective action. This is how the inspection process works. There are also Training issues which were found.
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The only thing we can agree on is that programmies like yourself aren't concerned about safety for kids whenever it affects the bottom line. You claim the program is implementing corrective action, yet how many times has this happened just at RC alone? You can't dismiss them all. As much as it burns Buchi up people from the state are going to keep coming, and we're going to keep posting these safety violations.
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---The inspections and paperwork will ultimately add to the safety of the kids from an industry perspective. But from an individual viewpoint many times people feel that they are making the right decisions for the children and dont need the help of outside agencies to tell them what to do or micro manage them. I feel IRS audits are greatly needed in the US and although I run a tight ship and value my accounting team I dont see the need to have them hovering around. I dont call them if I think I violated a law I rely on my professional team, just like people dont call DHS on themselves if they have a problem. They are all valued industries as a whole but most people dont want them around.
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The IRS has no reason to believe you when you claim you don't need an audit. The fact is if you didn't fear an audit you might not be so worried about making sure you were doing things correctly. So the same way the fear of the IRS insures that you will balance your books correctly, fear of the ORS and other similar state agencies keeps programmies from abusing kids and violating their rights.
In both instances enough violations means the respective agencies will eventually put you out of business.
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