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Ridge Creek "School" - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---Lets try it again. Self mutilation, sexual assault, retaliation are not paperwork issues. The failure to document them properly are paperwork issues. If a child attacks another child and the program does not document the incident properly then this is a paperwork issue. Many of the citings of the DHS has to do with Paper work issues.
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So now you're saying that they aren't safety issues. Still pretty sick Whooter. Since they aren't reporting these numerous incidents, there's way of of knowing what corrective action was taken, and what steps are being taken to ensure that the same problems don't occur again. What reasons would they have for not reporting the incidents? Again you are talking about something that a child in public school could be expelled for.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RobertBruce" ---
--- Quote ---Lets try it again. Self mutilation, sexual assault, retaliation are not paperwork issues. The failure to document them properly are paperwork issues. If a child attacks another child and the program does not document the incident properly then this is a paperwork issue. Many of the citings of the DHS has to do with Paper work issues.
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So now you're saying that they aren't safety issues.
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I read through the above post several times and did not see where I said anything about safety issues. I said Many of the citings of the DHS has to do with Paper work issues. I can see why you get so angry all the time. You tend to read things that are not there,Bruce, that is why I am taking this a little piece at a time so that you understand what I am saying.
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RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---I would guess that many programs feel they can monitor the children themselves and don’t feel they need for regulation and inspections.
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Oversite and regulation create a safer environment. Why would any programmie oppose this unless he simply didn't care?
--- Quote ---Most of us feel we are doing a good job raising our kids and would not want DHS visiting us all the time and telling us how we can discipline our children and how to report and document each event. Its a pain in the ass.
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The state assumes that a parent loves their child and will do what's right for them. It's only when a problem occurs they have to step in. A program owner is not raising his own kids, he's been paid by someone else to do it for them. Because he's running a business he's subject to a more watchful eye, and rightfully so.
--- Quote ---How many of us would go get a driver’s license if we were not forced to get one. If we didnt have one it would not mean we were poor drivers.
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And if we weren't required to get a drivers license it would mean anyone would be free to operate a car, making the roads that much more dangerous. Regulation and oversite lead to control and safety. Something I would imagine most parents would be in support of when it comes to their children.
So then again, if we know that oversite leads to a safer program, why do programmies like Buchi oppose it unless they simply don't care?
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---I read through the above post several times and did not see where I said anything about safety issues. I said Many of the citings of the DHS has to do with Paper work issues.
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The fact that you didn't say it is the problem. These are safety issues, and you're attempting to downplay by claiming they are merely paperwork issues. No different then your earlier attempts to define sexual assault as flirting. Again, typical programmie mindset.
--- Quote ---I can see why you get so angry all the time.
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Over what? I'm winning the argument while you're fumbling for excuses.
--- Quote ---You tend to read things that are not there,Bruce, that is why I am taking this a little piece at a time so that you understand what I am saying.
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Oh is that why you need to pick and choose what you can and cannot respond to? I just assumed it was because you don't have an answer to give. I'll look forward to you going back and responding to the remainder of my earlier questions and comments.
Whooter:
I agree with oversight (and sometimes am on the fence regarding it), it can lead to a safer industry, just like forcing people to get a drivers’ license leads to safer roads. But the license and tests dont necessarily make me a better driver so if they didn’t force me to take the test then I would probably opt out of it. If the DHS wanted to inspect my home and interview my kids on a monthly basis I would probably fight against it. Overall it may make kids safer in the state but I feel I do a good job and therefore would fight against it and not document every time my kid fell down the stairs or I had to spank him etc.
So I do see the value in oversight but I also see why schools and programs fight against it. They don’t feel the DHS is making the kids safer in their particular school.
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