Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Ridge Creek "School" - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
Whooter:
Let me ask you a question, Heretik. We hear stories of programs serving rotten food and locking kids in isolation boxes for weeks at a time. We read about kids being isolated from their families without contact for months at a time and brainwashed. We have read about kids not getting hardly any education at all, etc. These were issues which defined these programs in many people minds. I have shown (and kids who wrote here on fornits) that these conditions have changed. Kids are receiving great meals, Vegetarian, Vegan etc., competing in sports against other highschools going white water rafting, going on dates into town, attending dances. There are programs where kids are not locked in boxes or cages today and can write to their families and have unmonitored phone calls. Kids are excelling at their academics and moving onto college after they graduate.
If it was okay to talk about how bad these conditions were then why are not the improvements recognized and applauded? Why do people like yourself see this information as a threat or non issue? If you are all about the kids( like you claim you are) why not be happy about these improvements and increases in quality of life for them? From my perspective the amount of effort many here put in to discrediting and ignoring the facts shows that you really are not interested in anything except your own stories and the why programs were in the past. Why does every discussion have to be about the negative aspects of the industry? Why not a more healthy honest discussion about the facts (good and bad)?
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Whooter:
Let me ask you a question, Heretik. We hear stories of programs serving rotten food and locking kids in isolation boxes for weeks at a time. We read about kids being isolated from their families without contact for months at a time and brainwashed. We have read about kids not getting hardly any education at all, etc. These were issues which defined these programs in many people minds. I have shown (and kids who wrote here on fornits) that these conditions have changed. Kids are receiving great meals, Vegetarian, Vegan etc., competing in sports against other highschools going white water rafting, going on dates into town, attending dances. There are programs where kids are not locked in boxes or cages today and can write to their families and have unmonitored phone calls. Kids are excelling at their academics and moving onto college after they graduate.
If it was okay to talk about how bad these conditions were then why are not the improvements recognized and applauded? Why do people like yourself see this information as a threat or non issue? If you are all about the kids( like you claim you are) why not be happy about these improvements and increases in quality of life for them? From my perspective the amount of effort many here put in to discrediting and ignoring the facts shows that you really are not interested in anything except your own stories and the way programs were in the past. Why does every discussion have to be about the negative aspects of the industry? Why not a more healthy honest discussion about the facts (good and bad)?
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RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---I said the majority of issues seem to be paperwork, training issues.
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So you still equate sexual assault, retaliation, and self mutilation as paperwork issues. Again, pretty sick, but pretty par for the course when it comes to the mentality of a programmie such as yourself. You people believe anything and everything should just be swept under the rug. Does that lead to a safe environment?
--- Quote ---I never claimed that programs should not document everything. I think it is one of the strengths of the industry, especially the ones under regulation.
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Then why did programmies like Buchi fight tooth and nail against even allowing agencies like the ORS onto the property? He operated for years without any oversite or regulation. Lied and claimed everything was above board until we forced regulation on him much to his chagrin. Since regulation leads to a safer program, why do so many programmies still fight against it?
--- Quote --- I wish public schools detailed every event like program have to.
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Can you cite some source showing what public schools are and are not required to report to state agencies? In the meantime public schools are kept in check by school boards, DOE's, PTO's, the media, and the students themselves. Programs seek to operate within a bubble while they self govern. Whooter, which do you believe of those two options is safer?
--- Quote ---I was saying that the knee jerk reaction for most places would be to not report every event unless they had too or unless it would lead to helping the child or the profit margin.
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Helping the profit margin is all these places ever care about. They don't report these types of events to state agencies or to parents for that exact reason. What parent is going to pay tens of thousands of dollars to leave their child in a place where their kid gets tea bagged at night?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RobertBruce" ---So you still equate sexual assault, retaliation, and self mutilation as paperwork issues.
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Lets try it again. Self mutilation, sexual assault, retaliation are not paperwork issues. The failure to document them properly are paperwork issues. If a child attacks another child and the program does not document the incident properly then this is a paperwork issue. Many of the citings of the DHS has to do with Paper work issues.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RobertBruce" ---Then why did programmies like Buchi fight tooth and nail against even allowing agencies like the ORS onto the property? He operated for years without any oversite or regulation. Lied and claimed everything was above board until we forced regulation on him much to his chagrin. Since regulation leads to a safer program, why do so many programmies still fight against it?
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I would guess that many programs feel they can monitor the children themselves and don’t feel they need for regulation and inspections. Most of us feel we are doing a good job raising our kids and would not want DHS visiting us all the time and telling us how we can discipline our children and how to report and document each event. Its a pain in the ass. How many of us would go get a driver’s license if we were not forced to get one. If we didnt have one it would not mean we were poor drivers.
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