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« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2004, 07:15:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-24 15:04:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"*sigh*



And unfortunately, the jarheads who kidnap them and the boneheads who do this to them think they're doing a favor.

In order to live free and happily you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always an easy sacrifice.
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I'd say they need money, bad, and *rationalize* the lousy thing they're doing by telling themselves they're doing the kid a favor.

People can rationalize all kinds of cruddy behavior---especially when they get paid for it.

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« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2004, 07:36:00 PM »
That is fuuny, happiness, most of these kids don't know happiness, because they are hurting so bad inside and are doing drugs and acting out in other ways because of it.I'm sorry if some of you have had bad experiences, and some have you might have never gotten to the nature of your hurt also.But the vast majority of the kids i pick up need help and allot of it. I was not being sarcastic when i said merry xmas. There is no need to be so rude and use profanity on this board or any other. I knoe i am helping kids, wheather you people think so or not. Your opinion is so one sided it means nothing to me.
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« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2004, 07:54:00 PM »
Har Har.

For one, not all the kids there are actually acting out or having drugs! Wow! Bye bye excuse.

Two. If they need help, being terrified and toremented until you behave and conform, isnt going to fix their problem. They cant have drugs because they're inside of the compound, but it doesnt fix their underlying problem. And dont tell me they give therapy, we both know all these places do is terrify them into obedience.

Your role consists of abduction and captivity until you deliver them to the program. That alone is attrocious unless you're an actual LEO and they actually commited a crime or had a reason to be detained. Because some parent said so is not okay.

Furthermore, you still wont realize the simple fact that the programs NEVER give any details about what they do. They are EXTREMELY secretive. Why dont you question that? Not paid to think?

YOUR opinion is so onesided its pointless. You 'knoe' you are helping kids because if you didnt think so you'd have to accept you were hauling them off to a business that makes money by keeping them captive and still has yet to demonstrate they offer any therapy AT ALL.

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« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2004, 07:44:00 AM »
Very Wrong, I don;t care if you don't believe that I care for each kid i pick upand of course i can;t councel them all, because some are so angry there is no getting to them, but the majority seem to get along with me and the schools i take them to, I know are strict, but i have also taking kids from one program to another and some that i had taken up there originally and they tell me what goes on behind close doors and sure i don't agrre with some of the rules, but there is no beatings or other phsical abuse, from what these kids say. I know you are going to say they will be in trouble if they tell me the truth, but they have already been kicked out of the school and they have no reason to lie because no one can do anything to them. It Also seems allot of you were in some of theses places along time ago, such as i was at my boarding school i went to 20 something years ago. Things can change and i am sure there are some bad places andf some bad people working at them, but i don't see that at the schools i go to, i just see a very stict program with allot of caring. Of course all don;t care on the same level, but such is life. Remeber i went to one of these schools and did not graduate the program and even if i did it would not have been brainwashing. And by the way most of the kids i pick up need something and most are doing drugs and showing major disrespect for thier families, who should be the most important people in ones life. Again Merry Xmas to all, The one that cares
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« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2004, 09:08:00 AM »
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and of course i can;t councel them all, because some are so angry there is no getting to them

No way! kids are abducted in the middle of the night, hauled off to a far away gulag, and then they get ANGRY about it? how DARE they? Kidnappind a kid is the ultimate show of kindness and care! How DARE these spolied brats get upset about being KIDNAPPED???

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but the majority seem to get along with me and the schools i take them to

How do you know? Do you keep in touch with every kid you kidnap?

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sure i don't agrre with some of the rules, but there is no beatings or other phsical abuse from what these kids say. I know you are going to say they will be in trouble if they tell me the truth, but they have already been kicked out of the school and they have no reason to lie because no one can do anything to them.

Again, how do you know their situation? These kids have already been kidnapped once. They have very good reasons to fear it will happen again. So like many other kids who got out of gulags, they put on a show for their parents, so they could keep themselves safe.

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It Also seems allot of you were in some of theses places along time ago, such as i was at my boarding school i went to 20 something years ago. Things can change and i am sure there are some bad places andf some bad people working at them, but i don't see that at the schools i go to, i just see a very stict program with allot of caring.

Again, how would you know? All you saw is wha they chose to show you.

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Remeber i went to one of these schools and did not graduate the program and even if i did it would not have been brainwashing.

Again, you have no way of knowing that. Many program grads and others who come here insist that what they've been through was not brainwashing, but at the same time they believe everything the program tells them, they are completely convinced that their program can do no wrong, and they believe that any bad info about their program must be a lie.

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And by the way most of the kids i pick up need something

You never mentioned any professional credentials. Who are you to determine whether they "need" something or not?

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and most are doing drugs and showing major disrespect for thier families, who should be the most important people in ones life.


Yes, their families should be the most important people in their lives. But instead, you take them away from their families into places that will, in most cases, restrict their communication with their families and will take over the family in the child-raising department.

You're full of it. Your rationalizations don't stand a chance. You've convinced yourself that you are "caring" and "helpful" so you won't have to face what you're doing to innocent children. You kidnap children for a living, and send them to gulags. How much lower can a person go?
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« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2004, 04:49:00 PM »
And it is the parents choice to send them away, not mine. I provide a safe and sometimes beneficail way for the kids transport and i have seen allot of kids i took to these schools who are doing very well and hold no ill will towards me. You will never agree with me so i will jsut leave it at that, again these kids are going wheather i take them or not, another company who will handcuff the kid for no reason and will just be a exspensive cab ride will, so i would rather i did it.Again because i care about what i do!! The one that cares
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« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2004, 05:29:00 PM »
You're *so* full of it. You really are.

You cant tell us, or yourself, what these programs really do in there, or how they 'get through to them'.

You cant tell us or yourself why they have to be kidnapped and held captive for months to years to 'get through to them' to fix them.

Kidnapping is traumatic. Its torture in and of itself. You've been taken away from your family by some brute and put into a car and said you're being taken away to be fixed. Why wouldn't they be scared or mad? Get through to them? They were fucking kidnapped, by YOU.

These programs, and I'll ask twice in one post... WHAT DO THEY DO? HOW DO THEY DO IT? WHY DO YOU NEED TO BE LOCKED UP FOR YEARS TO GET 'FIXED?' Care to answer anything? You cant.

You cant tell anyone even in the slightest detail how they do any of this, but yet you support them so much. Think about that.

Think long and HARD about that.

Because its your responsibility to do so as a human being. You've taken their rights and freedoms away and you're taking them off to these mysterious, secretive places - you're the last human being between them and the gates of hell.

And you get PAID for it!

You still cant say anything for what they supposedly do at all (3 times in one post, lets see if you answer NOW) you cant say anything for the places that WERE closed, and you cant say anything for the fact that for 20+ years, in all programs, all people in there from all over the country, all walks of life, and from that said 20 year span, all have the same kinds of accusations.

Every child in there, every parent out here, every survivor and victim, and most importantly the ones YOU TAKE, deserve some answers.

I'm waiting. Gingers been waiting 20 years. Cleo's been waiting 10. Tens of thousands of others have been waiting too.

Its time for you to give an answer.

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2004, 10:38:00 PM »
Why should i have to answer to your problems, i have nothing to do with what you went through. By the way i saw a few kids today at one of the schools who i took there about a year ago and guess what they were happy to see me, they seemed very happy and healty, they were telling me of thier plans for college and were all almost out of there. Oh they also hugged me goodbye. Very interesting? 2 of them were 18 and staying there on thier own. Very interesting, why would they stay if they were being abused in any way? I again don't have to answer to you for your problems, but i will say it sounds like allot of you never got the help you needed and still could use allot of therapy! I'm done with this thread. I will reply again when i feel it is worth it for me to give my time to this board. You are all a riot! The one that cares
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« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2004, 01:40:00 AM »
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Why should i have to answer to your problems, i have nothing to do with what you went through.

No one asked you to answer to anyone's "problems". People posed some very valid question and observations, which you choose to ignore.

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By the way i saw a few kids today at one of the schools who i took there about a year ago and guess what they were happy to see me, they seemed very happy and healty, they were telling me of thier plans for college and were all almost out of there. Oh they also hugged me goodbye. Very interesting? 2 of them were 18 and staying there on thier own. Very interesting, why would they stay if they were being abused in any way?

Maybe because they were made to believe that the abuse they have been through was normal and good and necessary. It happens in a lot of these places. Kids are programmed to confuse between "abuse" and "discipline"/"Help".

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I again don't have to answer to you for your problems, but i will say it sounds like allot of you never got the help you needed and still could use allot of therapy!

Again, you have no professional credentials or sufficient information to decide whether anyone here is in need of "help" or "therapy". Just like you can't decide whether the children you kidnap are in need of "help".

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I'm done with this thread. I will reply again when i feel it is worth it for me to give my time to this board. You are all a riot! The one that cares


So you will only reply when you hear what you want to hear, something that fits into your "I help children by kidnapping them" delusion.

Keep waiting, you won't hear that from me. You kidnap children and take them away against their will. There is nothing helpful or good about that, and there never will be, no matter how you try to spin it.
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« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2004, 02:04:00 AM »
Do you really, honestly believe the crap you're writing?  Kids are abused into believing what?   :wstupid:
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« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2004, 02:35:00 AM »
STILL no answers. Wow. Amazing.

Leaving so you dont have to be confronted for not answering either, are we?

The only one you care about is yourself. Happy newyear, kidnapper.

When I started as a federal narcotics agent, the budget that we were working with, it was less than $5 million a year, and there was only 125 agents for the entire world to work the narcotic trade that we were fighting in those days.  Times have changed.  The gluttony has grown.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2004, 05:33:00 AM »
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"Do you really, honestly believe the crap you're writing?  Kids are abused into believing what?   :wstupid: "


Yes, kids are abused into believing the program "saved" them. They are pressured in such an extreme way that they will eventually surrender their own beliefs and way of thinking and accept the program ideology.

Just like you did. Rememder Discovery? Remember playing silly games, such as connect the dots, in which the main idea was that you are always wrong, no matter what you do, and the facilitator is always right? Remember being stood up in front of a group of strangers, being made to tell them private information about yourself, and then standing there while the group and the facilitator use that information to ridicule you and distort your view of what happened?

Remember leaving that seminar, convinced that everything you knew/thought/believed in so far was wrong, that the program can do no wrong, and that anyone who says otherwise is a liar?

I'm sure you do. And I feel sorry for you. You can't even think beyond the limitation imposed on you.
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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2004, 09:07:00 AM »
Agian I was so impressed by the change in these 3 kids i saw and others in the past. I have also had kids tell me when i take them that they think the program is not all the bad, sure they don't agree with some of the rules, but they said it helps if you want it to. By the way my credentials Degree in Drug counsiling. And all the crap I wnet through as a teenager, which in my opinion helps me vastly more than my degree.
I have been able to bond with so many kids and get them ready to turn thier lives around and relize how important family is, and after seeing the 3, who one i did have to cuff to take, but was uncuffed 5 mins. later, because i hate to use them at all and the girl was ready to have them off. Maybe she hate s me for it, but seeing her yesterday and the smile on her face which i would be able to tell if it was fake or not and was very real. They all had a wonderful glow in thier eyes and faces and were so proud of themselves and i told them how proud i was of them also.I know that every kid i take up thier does not get better and some do well, then go home and srew up I didby the way after 8 months at me school.After yesterday i have been confirmed on what great work i am doing. I have not told you this, but i do blame the parents for every kid, that i have to take. But the child has to be responsible a little. Also if the 2 cops i had to deal with the other day, did not arrest me when they came to the house because of a 911 callthat they thought we were kidnapping the kid and after showing my paper work and ID. I was told good luck and have a nice day. Sorry all you peaople that think what i do is illegal. It is very legal.
As for how these kids turned thier lives around and how the school does it, i don't work for the school, i just brinhg the kids. I have taken tours and gotten many thank yous from parents, and also seen allot of kids and now seen a few that have done it all the way and i feel so rewarded for what i do. Again i am sorry if anyone here had a bad experience, but i have not seen anything bad at any of theses schools i go to. The one that cares.
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« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2004, 10:19:00 AM »
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Agian I was so impressed by the change in these 3 kids i saw and others in the past. I have also had kids tell me when i take them that they think the program is not all the bad, sure they don't agree with some of the rules, but they said it helps if you want it to.

After being abuse, broken down, and humiliated, these kids will say anything to avoid being sent back. That is, unless they've been broken down completely, in which case they usually take on the belief system of the program, which states that the program is good and helpful.

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By the way my credentials Degree in Drug counsiling. And all the crap I wnet through as a teenager, which in my opinion helps me vastly more than my degree.

How much counseling experience do you actually have? You contiuously make statements about kids who "need help". Do you actually know anything about these kids, other than what their hysterical parents tell you? Have you ever performed a real, clinical evaluation on a child to see what they really need, if they need anything at all? Do you even have the skills to perform such an evaluation?

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and after seeing the 3, who one i did have to cuff to take, but was uncuffed 5 mins. later, because i hate to use them at all and the girl was ready to have them off.

You have no authority to handcuff anyone. You are not a policeman. There is never a justification to use force against a child. You do not "have to" cuff anyone. You have kidnapped this child by force.

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Maybe she hate s me for it, but seeing her yesterday and the smile on her face which i would be able to tell if it was fake or not and was very real.

I don't believe you.

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They all had a wonderful glow in thier eyes and faces and were so proud of themselves and i told them how proud i was of them also.

Now that sounds like the type of propaganda a program would write to convince senseless, hysterical parents that a bunch of money hungry strangers can take care of their child better than they can.

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After yesterday i have been confirmed on what great work i am doing.

You kidnap children, sometimes by force. There is nothing "great" about that. It is disgusting and deplorable. You make money off the suffering of children.

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Also if the 2 cops i had to deal with the other day, did not arrest me when they came to the house because of a 911 callthat they thought we were kidnapping the kid and after showing my paper work and ID. I was told good luck and have a nice day. Sorry all you peaople that think what i do is illegal. It is very legal.

So, if some drug lord would give you some cahs nad tell you to go kidnap a competitor, that would be illegal, right? But if it's a minor who has no legal rights to begin with, that must be just fine. Wake up, what you're doing is called KIDNAP, and it is illegal. These cops were not doing their job, which is to defend the public-- children included-- from people like you. You belong in prison.

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I have taken tours and gotten many thank yous from parents, and also seen allot of kids and now seen a few that have done it all the way and i feel so rewarded for what i do.


You only see what they want you to see. But I'm cure that even if they'd show you the solitary confinement cells, the rotten food, and the emotional abuse these kids go through you'd think it's okay, because it's "treatment". You are disgusting.

Has anyone here ever read any govertnmental documents concerning the detaining of suspects? Someone posted these a few months ago. In these documents, it was recommended to arrest suspects in the middle of the night, to surprise them in their own homes, and to take them away, by force if necessary. The document stated that in this situation, suspects will become confused, disoriented, and helpless. It also states that it creates an extreme stress in the suspect and severe emotional trauma. You traumatize hundreds of children every year by kidnapping them by force. You then send them to concentration camp where they are further traumatized until they fit into the submissive robot pattern their parents wanted them to fit into.

You are a sick and twisted individual, and you deserve to be in prison.
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2004, 11:06:00 AM »
You are the sick one! I laugh so hard now reading your propaganda. I don't believe you either are you there? No you were at one place and not where these kids are now. If a kid does not want to work, they just sit in a room quiet until they are ready, you call that abuse?? Bottom line is all you know about most of these program is what you have heard on the internet and of the thousands of kids and parents that have been through this, very few are actually complaining. And i have delt woth police and airport TSA all over the country and have never been told that i was doing anything illegal. And i don't, because i am given custody of the child to bring to the school and i do have the right to cuff a kid if they are being a danger to them selves or anyone else. I don;t cuff a kid for screaming or crying, just if they resist phsyically.And the kid was cuffed the other day when the police came and they knew that and again looked at my very legal paperwork and said have a nice day. Question, which is better Jail or one of these schools?? Kids out there today are way more out of control than when i was teen 2o years ago, the things i have heard and seen is ridicolous, and disgusting. And i was very wild myself. 15 year old girls who have had abortions already, think giving a blow job is not sex, doing way more advanced drugs than just pot, and drinking. Stealing cars, selling crack, being shot at because of areas they go to for drugs. Straight A students who have ended up like this.No respect at all for thier parents and think being a teenager they are now old enough to do what they want and that it is thier right. Well that is just some of the reasons i have delt with. So maybe they need to see that thier parents have a right also and that is to try anything to save thier kid even if it means having someone like me to come intervene on thier behalf and help thier child. Also half of the kids at these schools are brought thier by thier parents.So i quess they are being kidnapped by thier parents to and thier parents should be arrested. But it does not matter what i say or more importantly what the kids on this board who have been through it and i have read on this board how some of them tell you that they did get nor did they see anyone get abused. But yes over all the years and all the different staff members and all the programs it owuld be immpossible to say no one has been abused, but the scale on which you people think it is happening is deffinetly not true. Shoild a parent keep letting thier kid run away from home? or get them help? Why don;t you guys try to save the baby seals or something more real.
You are very mixed up and one sided.There is no convincing you that any kid has has gotten the help they needed at these places. You are all driving with blinders on. The one that Cares
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