The smoking gun - do survivors lie?

[Samara]

I can think of no program survivor who has lied about the program. Program stories are all too consistent.

This whole thread title is a cruel insult. The reason survivors connected in the first place is because we recognize all the experiences we shared in fraudulent, abusive programs. There were too many familiarities - eerily so. Why this thread is even allowed from someone who perpetuates this type of therapeutic abuse is baffling. Especially someone has has created lies and personas of Titanic proportion.  Someone who makes a mockery of rape and taunts survivors in the exact same way as his Cult Guru predecessors. (Another common program tactic.) To have this same person - who has posted 10,000 times - stories of unbelievable convolution - admonish survivors to "stop exaggerating" is pretty sick.  It is bewildering to have the Grand Cockroach of Liars offer any sort of advisement on honesty. Although seriously, can Whooter win an award for persistence?

[RobertBruce]

Well we originally estimated it to be under 1% which is below the national level, and if you could blow these figures out of the water you would, with the figures you have, so we can safely assume the estimate is well below 1% since you are sitting on your information.

http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&p=252507&hilit=originally#p252507


This doesnt seem very middle of the road Whooter.

I think in effect the advice will help survivors credibility. I have heard that they are viewed as lying druggies from survivors themselves here on fornits. I was pointing out that one of the problems is that they exaggerate too much and should be more truthful with the description of the events in the program.

You speak as if you don't consistently post under various guises and backrounds. Again, these kids aren't exaggerating anything, you however have.

[Whooter]

Well we originally estimated it to be under 1% which is below the national level, and if you could blow these figures out of the water you would, with the figures you have, so we can safely assume the estimate is well below 1% since you are sitting on your information.

http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&p=252507&hilit=originally#p252507


This doesnt seem very middle of the road Whooter. ]/quote]

Why are you questioning that it would not be below 1%.  You havent presented any argument that states it may be above that number.  I dont think it exceeds this number and I dont think many on fornits would think it is much higher either.  no one has disputed this except yourself, what is your point Bruce?

You speak as if you don't consistently post under various guises and backrounds. Again, these kids aren't exaggerating anything, you however have.

I have been able to expose one (just one) Anti-program poster here on fornits (who obviously represents the sentiments of the other posters here) and it turned out that he lied about his past posts.  He claimed to have never posted as a guest and I showed he had 3,500 guest posts and many aliases.  He posted as children, parents, survivors pretending to be abused etc.

If vast numbers of anti-program people like yourself come out to support his actions then that just leads us to believe that you would also be posting the same way.  Am I not correct in my thinking?  So what posts are we to believe?  How many of these posts of abuse are for real and how many are faked like DJ did?  If people thought what he did was wrong and DJ does not represent what they stand for then they would have said that but that wasnt the case now was it?
Give it some thought.



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[RobertBruce]

I'll repost this here because it applies to this thread as well:

Once again you are using flawed logic. You're using conjecture and assumptions to claim what you believe others are doing. The fact of the matter is you have no real basis. Can you point to a post of someone supporting DJ's actions?

Wait a second, I'll do your homework for you......well rather I'll take a page from your playbook.


DJ saw the games you were playing by posting under various guises and backrounds. He simply sought to "add balance" and "even the scales". DJ is a moderate middle of the road poster who was being trolled by you. He showed that you have more than 10,000 posts after he exposed you and all the games you play.


Using your logic we can safely assume that given that there are only a small number of pro program posters like yourself, and given that none of them have condemned your actions, it stands to reason they are all playing the same games you are.

Agreed?

[Whooter]

I'll repost this here because it applies to this thread as well:

Once again you are using flawed logic. You're using conjecture and assumptions to claim what you believe others are doing. The fact of the matter is you have no real basis. Can you point to a post of someone supporting DJ's actions?

Wait a second, I'll do your homework for you......well rather I'll take a page from your playbook.


DJ saw the games you were playing by posting under various guises and backrounds. He simply sought to "add balance" and "even the scales". DJ is a moderate middle of the road poster who was being trolled by you. He showed that you have more than 10,000 posts after he exposed you and all the games you play.


Using your logic we can safely assume that given that there are only a small number of pro program posters like yourself, and given that none of them have condemned your actions, it stands to reason they are all playing the same games you are.

Agreed?

Exactly, Bruce, sometimes it is easier to see the point if you flip it around and take a look from a different perspective.

If fornits were a predominately pro-program extremist forum and we examined a pro-program posters posts and found that this person was writing posts pretending to be a student who did well in programs and invented parents who had great out comes.  Two things could happen:

1.     the majority of the people would respond by saying what he did was wrong or
2.   they could back him and say he did a good job.
   
If number 1 was true we could conclude that this activity does not reflect that of the average poster on fornits.  If number two were true we could conclude that many people did the same thing as he did and a good portion of the posts by all members of fornits were lies.



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[Anne Bonney]

I think in effect the advice will help survivors credibility.

No one has asked for, nor do we want or need you advice so you can stop now.

[Whooter]

I think in effect the advice will help survivors credibility.

No one has asked for, nor do we want or need you advice so you can stop now.

Hmmmm....
We?  Who is we Anne?



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[Shadyacres]

I think in effect the advice will help survivors credibility.

No one has asked for, nor do we want or need you advice so you can stop now.

Seconded.

[Samara]

Third-ed.

[Whooter]

Third-ed.

That was a private joke.  Anne knows what I meant by it.  lol



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[Anne Bonney]

I think in effect the advice will help survivors credibility.

No one has asked for, nor do we want or need you advice so you can stop now.

Hmmmm....
We?  Who is we Anne?

Well, so far it's me, Samara and Shadyacres.

[Anne Bonney]

Third-ed.

That was a private joke.  Anne knows what I meant by it.  lol

Yes, and the "we" is your part, not mine.

[Whooter]

Third-ed.

That was a private joke.  Anne knows what I meant by it.  lol

Yes, and the "we" is your part, not mine.

lol okay I'll let it slide.



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[Froderik]

I'm tired of being tormented to hell.

Program people are paper pushing, money grubbing, soulless, conscienceless thieves and liars.

[Whooter]

I'm tired of being tormented to hell.

Program people are paper pushing, money grubbing, soulless, conscienceless thieves and liars.

Considering the topic of the thread you posted this in,Frod, what you really mean is:

You are energized and elated because:

Program people are considerate, non materialistic, religious, extremely honest people?



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