Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies

[Whooter]

If Concerned Parent still has the PM, he/she could hand the login over to a neutral/trusted third party to verify the PM and make a screen-shot.  If the email addresses match and that PM was indeed sent by TheWho, i'd say that is indeed a smoking gun.

Psy, I dont think it is authnetic, I think that if a post like this really did exist they would be eager to have it authenticated.  But I have to side with thewho that there isnt much substance, I mean that was the smoking gun, if they made that up (which it is obvious that they did at this point)  then who knows about the other stuff on here.
I think it has been fun watching them try to pin this guy down.  It looked like they really had him pegged until that dam PM turned out to be fabricated.  It throws into question everything else that is said here.  I still think that he is this Reuben guy, but they blew it with the lie.

Keep at it guys, see if you can find more evidence.

[Troll Control]

Exactly, STICC's was Launched in April of 2007 (I provided you a link) and I was there in January of 2007 (I provided a link).  The post inwhich you stated I lied indicated that I was there prior to the launch of STICCS, which as you can see by the time line is not true.

Where is the lie?

You can continue to avoid the facts by posting another long post, Ajax13, or you can provide the readers with the steps of the lie you claim I made.

"STICC's was Launched in April of 2007 (I provided you a link)".  I think you are making this up, Whooter.  Show me the link you provided that STICC was launched in April, 2007.  You are getting very desperate!  

Post the link or you're lying again.

Still waiting for the link, Whooter.  Looks like you were caught making up some "facts" again.  Show the link where you prove STICC was launched in April of 2007.  By the way, that also makes your visit to Chicago to be just prior to STICCs launch, according to your timetable.  Looks like the OP was right after all.  Whooter now admits it in the above post.

[Troll Control]

Exactly, STICC's was Launched in April of 2007 (I provided you a link) and I was there in January of 2007 (I provided a link).  The post inwhich you stated I lied indicated that I was there prior to the launch of STICCS, which as you can see by the time line is not true.

Where is the lie?

You can continue to avoid the facts by posting another long post, Ajax13, or you can provide the readers with the steps of the lie you claim I made.

"STICC's was Launched in April of 2007 (I provided you a link)".  I think you are making this up, Whooter.  Show me the link you provided that STICC was launched in April, 2007.  You are getting very desperate!  

Post the link or you're lying again.

Still waiting for the link, Whooter.  Looks like you were caught making up some "facts" again.  Show the link where you prove STICC was launched in April of 2007.  By the way, that also makes your visit to Chicago to be just prior to STICCs launch, according to your timetable.  Looks like the OP was right after all.  Whooter now admits it in the above post.

It does appear Whooter has a little problem now that he has admitted his trip to Chicago was right before STICC launched.  He was denying it earlier, but seems now to have caved in and admitted the truth.

Here's something interesting that I've pointed out before.  You know Reuben is a software guy and understands how search engines work, right?  He's a marketing guy.  We all saw how he used his son's obituary to beg for funding for STICC.  

So...that being said, I have noticed that Whooter always intentionally misspells things he doesn't want to come up in a search engine to keep people from stumbling onto his connections here at Fornits.  Everyone knows it's "STICC" but did you see how Whooter spelled it "STICC's" and also "STICCS" but never "STICC"?  I noticed.  

I also noticed when he was accused of being Reuben, every post he posted denying it he spelled "Reuben" wrong, too.  He said "Rueban," and "Rueben" but never "Reuben."  Obviously he doesn't want what he does here linked to STICC, so this is how he tries to minimize the impact of posting here so he doesn't draw unwatned attention to himself and STICC.  Because if anyone who works with him ever got hold of his "work" here, they'd immediately know what a complete and utter fraud he is.  Just a bit more evidence to support the OP's position, which is very, very strong I have to say.

[Troll Control]

Here you go, some quotes showing the intentional misspellings to avoid search engine hits to draw people to Fornits and seewhat Reuben is really all about, i.e. "...where the real money is, the TBS industry":

Whooter misspelling "Reuben" and "STICC":

"Reuben" misspelled one way:

Ha,Ha,Ha Keep believing Brucie... Maybe you can still get your UPS

shipment reversed. Or at least rerouted to John Rueban maybe?

Then another:

John Reuban looks like a better fit...

And he goes on to spell his own name wrong purposefully dozens more times.

And, as for "STICC":

Exactly, STICC's was Launched in April of 2007 (I provided you
a link) and I was there in January of 2007 (I provided a link).

Then this way:

I was there prior to the launch of STICCS

And he goes on to spell the name of his company wrong purposefully dozens more times, too.

[Whooter]

I went thru all of Whooters posts and none of them you posted above are there.  You just made all of that up, guest, again.  The tip off with you is that you dont provide any links to the original post.  For all we know those could have been made up just like the PM by concerned Parent or written by an anon.
How can we believe any of this stuff unless you provide links to the original.  Maybe he wrote them under his old user name thewho but there are too many posts to look through.  Without the links they are meaningless.

It seems less and less likely this whooter guy is Reuben.

[Troll Control]

Ha, Ha, Ha.  Two of those quotes are from this thread.  You don't read too good.  If you haven't noticed, Whooter (you) fails to log in like he just said he would earlier in this thread (another lie) so you can just search for the keywords above and you'll see it was you "who" said it, (unlogged in) Whooter!  

I'd say Whooter has it all backwards.  It looks more and more every day like the OP pinned down his identity.  He hasn't been able to successfully dispute any of this thread.  The main points have already been established, this is just supporting evidence and there's a lot of it.

Now, please provide the link you said you provided earlier that said "STICC's was launched in April 2007".  You claimed to have provided a link, but you were lying.  What a surprise.

[Troll Control]

I saw he skipped right over this part, LOL:

It does appear Whooter has a little problem now that he has admitted his trip to Chicago was right before STICC launched. He was denying it earlier, but seems now to have caved in and admitted the truth.

He did admit it in the quote a few posts up.  I guess Whooter loses on that point now, too.

[Troll Control]

Let's keep it short and go over just Whooter's lies from this thread.

Lie #1:  Whooter claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1:  Whooter had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting.  This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Lie #2:  Whooter claims to be just a "regular parent with no ties to the industry."
Truth #2:  Whooter already admitted he was part of a "statistical group to assess TBS safety" that met in Chicago.  This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Lie #3:  Whooter claims not be John Reuben.
Truth #3:  whooter has contacted at least one parent from this forum and provided her the email address "onekidatatime@yahoo.com" for her to contact him "outside of Fornits" because "everyone here has an agenda to discredit programs."  The email address has been verified to be that of John Reuben and is the admin email account at savingteens.org.  This was proven by posting the original PM from TheWho to Concerned Parent, which TheWho subsequently altered in a quote and copped to altering it when called out.

Lie #4:  RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #4:  Whooter dropped this claim and went on to blame someone else for being "Concerned Parent."  Interestingly enough, Whooter has actually claimed to BE RobertBruce many times and later copped to fabricating at least one "lookalike" RobertBruce login to try to impersonate him (the login he admitted to creating "for fun" was 'RobertBruce .' with a space and a period at the end).

Lie #5:  Ajax13 is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #5:  Ajax13 is not Concerned Parent, but Whooter clings to this meme like a life raft anyway.

Lie #6:  Ajax13 AND RobertBruce are "Concerned Parent."
Truth #6:  Both are provably NOT "Concerned Parent."  Whooter seems to have dropped this notion now because obviously they both couldn't be "Concerned Parent" at the same time, but that simple logic didn't stop him from floating it to distract from the conversation.

Lie #7:  Whooter claimed to have no criminal record when confronted.
Truth #7:  Whooter had already admitted years ago, on this board, that he was "arrested several times in Boston and once in Ann Arbor Michigan."

Lie #8:  Whooter claims not to have lied at all.
Truth #8:  Whooter has been caught lying like a rug using only his own posts and PMs as evidence of the lies.  Essentially, he lied about everything, then had to walk it all back piece by piece as he was caught again and again.  Now the only thing from the above list he won't cop to is being Reuben, but considering he lied about and was proven lying about the rest of the items in this thread, his  assertion is just him howling from being bitten so badly.

So, that's 8 full-fledged, lie-through-your-teeth prevarications offered by TheWho in just this single thread.  People should believe him for what reason now?

Sorry, Whooter, your lying chickens have come home to roost and nobody here believes anything you say anymore.  Better luck next time.

All allegations proven beyond a reasonable doubt and not a single one disqualified.

Doesn't get more solid than that.

[Whooter]

Here you go, some quotes showing the intentional misspellings to avoid search engine hits to draw people to Fornits and seewhat Reuben is really all about, i.e. "...where the real money is, the TBS industry":

Whooter misspelling "Reuben" and "STICC":

"Reuben" misspelled one way:

Ha,Ha,Ha Keep believing Brucie... Maybe you can still get your UPS

shipment reversed. Or at least rerouted to John Rueban maybe?

Just out of curiosity I took the word "Rueban" and ran a search under the user name "Whooter" and nothing came up.

John Reuban looks like a better fit...

And he goes on to spell his own name wrong purposefully dozens more times.[/quote]

I did the same for "John Reuban" and nothing came up either under “Whooter”

And, as for "STICC":

Exactly, STICC's was Launched in April of 2007 (I provided you
a link) and I was there in January of 2007 (I provided a link).

This wasnt found under any of Whooters posts either.  The word STICC's comes up once but he was quoting someone else.

Then this way:

I was there prior to the launch of STICCS

And he goes on to spell the name of his company wrong purposefully dozens more times, too.

The word STICCS didnt come up at all under "Whooter"

So it seems the guest here fabricated or altered all these posts to make it seem like Whooter wrote them.  This is prevalent throughout this whole thread it appears.
I agree with one of the prior posts that without links to originals none of the posts have any credibility.

[Troll Control]

Let's keep it short and go over just Whooter's lies from this thread.

Lie #1:  Whooter claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1:  Whooter had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting.  This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Lie #2:  Whooter claims to be just a "regular parent with no ties to the industry."
Truth #2:  Whooter already admitted he was part of a "statistical group to assess TBS safety" that met in Chicago.  This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Lie #3:  Whooter claims not be John Reuben.
Truth #3:  whooter has contacted at least one parent from this forum and provided her the email address "onekidatatime@yahoo.com" for her to contact him "outside of Fornits" because "everyone here has an agenda to discredit programs."  The email address has been verified to be that of John Reuben and is the admin email account at savingteens.org.  This was proven by posting the original PM from TheWho to Concerned Parent, which TheWho subsequently altered in a quote and copped to altering it when called out.

Lie #4:  RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #4:  Whooter dropped this claim and went on to blame someone else for being "Concerned Parent."  Interestingly enough, Whooter has actually claimed to BE RobertBruce many times and later copped to fabricating at least one "lookalike" RobertBruce login to try to impersonate him (the login he admitted to creating "for fun" was 'RobertBruce .' with a space and a period at the end).

Lie #5:  Ajax13 is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #5:  Ajax13 is not Concerned Parent, but Whooter clings to this meme like a life raft anyway.

Lie #6:  Ajax13 AND RobertBruce are "Concerned Parent."
Truth #6:  Both are provably NOT "Concerned Parent."  Whooter seems to have dropped this notion now because obviously they both couldn't be "Concerned Parent" at the same time, but that simple logic didn't stop him from floating it to distract from the conversation.

Lie #7:  Whooter claimed to have no criminal record when confronted.
Truth #7:  Whooter had already admitted years ago, on this board, that he was "arrested several times in Boston and once in Ann Arbor Michigan."

Lie #8:  Whooter claims not to have lied at all.
Truth #8:  Whooter has been caught lying like a rug using only his own posts and PMs as evidence of the lies.  Essentially, he lied about everything, then had to walk it all back piece by piece as he was caught again and again.  Now the only thing from the above list he won't cop to is being Reuben, but considering he lied about and was proven lying about the rest of the items in this thread, his  assertion is just him howling from being bitten so badly.

So, that's 8 full-fledged, lie-through-your-teeth prevarications offered by TheWho in just this single thread.  People should believe him for what reason now?

Sorry, Whooter, your lying chickens have come home to roost and nobody here believes anything you say anymore.  Better luck next time.

All allegations proven beyond a reasonable doubt and not a single one disqualified.

Doesn't get more solid than that.

OK, we're making progress.  So Whooter does NOT dispute any of these assertions which have been proven with links many times in this thread.  Good news.  He's at least not trying to lie and say they're not true.

[Troll Control]

They all have proper links.

Heck, I'll just go for all of them to save time.

Rebuttal section:

Let's keep it short and go over just Whooter's lies from this

thread.

Lie #1:  Whooter claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1:  Whooter had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten

and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting.  This was proven

over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Whooter, in his own words, admits to the trip he was just denying.

Lie #2:  Whooter claims to be just a "regular parent with no ties to

the industry."
Truth #2:  Whooter already admitted he was part of a "statistical group to assess TBS

safety" that met in Chicago.  This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting

the post where he already admitted it.

TheWho admitting to being an industry player and saying TBS "is where the money's at."

Lie #3:  Whooter claims not be John Reuben.
Truth #3:  whooter has contacted at least one parent from this forum and provided her

the email address "onekidatatime@yahoo.com" for her to contact him "outside of Fornits"

because "everyone here has an agenda to discredit programs."  The email address has

been verified to be that of John Reuben and is the admin email account at

savingteens.org.  This was proven by posting the original PM from TheWho to Concerned

Parent, which TheWho subsequently altered in a quote and copped to altering it when

called out.

TheWho's PM to Concerned Parent is posted in its entirety.

Whois search for savingteens.org shows the email address Whooter provided belongs to John Reuben.

Lie #4:  RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #4:  Whooter dropped this claim and went on to blame someone else for being

"Concerned Parent."  Interestingly enough, Whooter has actually claimed to BE

RobertBruce many times and later copped to fabricating at least one "lookalike"

RobertBruce login to try to impersonate him (the login he admitted to creating "for

fun" was 'RobertBruce .' with a space and a period at the end).

Whooter begins his claim that RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent."

Whooter continues to hammer at the meme "Concerned Parent is RobertBruce" without a shred of evidence to suggest that.

...and hammering it some more...

Lie #5:  Ajax13 is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #5:  Ajax13 is not Concerned Parent, but Whooter clings to this meme like a life

raft anyway.

Here we have Whooter denying being himself, posting as "Dick Cheney" claiming Ajax13 and not RobertBruce "fabricated the PM."

Lie #6:  Ajax13 AND RobertBruce are "Concerned Parent."
Truth #6:  Both are provably NOT "Concerned Parent."  Whooter seems to have dropped

this notion now because obviously they both couldn't be "Concerned Parent" at the same

time, but that simple logic didn't stop him from floating it to distract from the

conversation.

Here Whooter claims both RobertBruce and Ajax13 are "Concerned Parent."  Now he's veering all over the place grasping at straws with no proof.

Lie #7:  Whooter claimed to have no criminal record when

confronted.
Truth #7:  Whooter had already admitted years ago, on this board, that he was "arrested

several times in Boston and once in Ann Arbor Michigan."

Whooter admitting to being arrested "many times in Boston" and elsewhere.

Lie #8:  Whooter claims not to have lied at all.
Truth #8:  Whooter has been caught lying like a rug using only his own posts and PMs as

evidence of the lies.  Essentially, he lied about everything, then had to walk it all

back piece by piece as he was caught again and again.  Now the only thing from the

above list he won't cop to is being Reuben, but considering he lied about and was

proven lying about the rest of the items in this thread, his  assertion is just him

howling from being bitten so badly.

No link required, see above.  ; )

So, that's 8 full-fledged, lie-through-your-teeth prevarications

offered by TheWho in just this single thread.  People should believe him for what

reason now?

Sorry, Whooter, your lying chickens have come home to roost and nobody here believes

anything you say anymore.  Better luck next time.

Whooter has been fully owned yet again and busted out lying through his teeth yet

again.  Whooter, you better try something else, like going back to trolling with

endless emoticons to slow the page loading, because you are SO BUSTED in YOUR OWN WORDS

and you just can't hide anymore.  Your legacy here has cought up to you and just won't

go away.  Can't escape those facts, son.

There it is, again, with links.  First you claim you never went to Chicago and demanded proof that you did.  You then were supplied with a quote from your own post with a link to it showing you did indeed go to Chicago and you were very proud of it as well.  You can see the quotes and links above.  Right...up...there...again.

I think anybody reading this post can see quite clearly that the statements above are factually true, based on your own words.  You said one thing, then you said the opposite.  That's called "lying" because the statements "I wasn't there" and "I was there," of which you uttered both (see links above), are mutually exclusive.  Do you understand the difference between "I was there" and "I wasn't there"?  If not, we'll just move on without you.

[Anne Bonney]

I haven't been here in a long time and just wanted to say hello and that this is HI-LARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Nice work everyone!!  It's about damned time this asshole was called out.

Hope all is well with everybody and y'all had a great holiday.  :seg2:

[Troll Control]

Welcome back, sweet cheeks ; )

This is all stuff everyone knew already, but at least people took the time to compile it all in one place so readers know what this douche is all about anyway.

[Whooter]

I haven't been here in a long time and just wanted to say hello and that this is HI-LARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Nice work everyone!!  It's about damned time this asshole was called out.

Hope all is well with everybody and y'all had a great holiday.  :seg2:

Well I would not go as far as calling Bruce an asshole.  I think he tried his best.  When he fabricated that PM from "concerned parent" I think it hurt all of the survivors credibility and I think that could be an asshole move.  But eventually we caught on that he was altering the posts to make it look like whooter wrote them and had to call him out because it looked so abvious.  If you follow the links he provided, none of them lead back to whooters posts.  But that really doesnt matter because I cant wait to see Whooters reaction when he comes to fornits and reads this list. :eek:

[Whooter]

Maybe i'm slow.  I'm scratching my head still trying to figure out what the smoking gun here.  Can anybody succinctly explain to the stupid ones here such as myself what exactly connects TheWho to this Reuben guy.

I havent seen it yet either.  There are lots of words, dates and posts, but like RMA Survivor said very little evidence or links to outside sources.  Maybe Concerned Parent (or the person logging in as him) will allow his post to be validated showing that Whooter and Reuben have the same email address.  That would be the smoking gun.