Many Many Programs Abuse Kids

[SUCK_IT]

At my program sometimes the bad kids would get locked into little rooms that were called "isolation cells" but that doesn't make them "inmates" though.  They were never locked in there for more than a few weeks at a time, so it's not like it was jail or anything.  They did have a restricted diet while they were in there but since the room was so small that they couldn't really move around so much or expend energy the lower calorie daily diet of a banana and two peanut butter sandwiches  and water was actually for their own good because they couldn't exercise in the cells.  Again, these were students, not "inmates" people.

[Anne Bonney]

So instead of explaining the type of place you went to you would just say:  "I was kidnapped and held in a gulag for 2 years where I was an inmate and abused".  If you said this to anyone here in Massachusetts you would be asked to seek therapy and no one would believe you.  Our state does not refer to any of these schools as gulags or the kids as inmates.

We haven't said it like that.  We've said it accompanying your quote below as a descriptor.  We've said that it was like a modern day gulag or that we were imprisoned, accompanied by your quote below.  It doesn't matter because people like you continue to minimize our experiences and accuse us of lying.....for attention.  That one I really don't get.   What the hell kind of attention would that bring?

If you said:  "My parents sent me to this treatment Center Tranquility Bay where it turned out I was abused for several months and denied food and basic nourishment"  People would sit up and listen because it sounds serious.  Seeding you response with embellishments looses credibility and people will think you are just seeking attention.

Bullshit.  We have said pretty much exactly that and we're still told that we're either lying, exaggerating, disgruntled kids who didn't finish the program etc.

You can make up your own words if you like but all I am saying is that you will not be taken seriously.  This is communication along the lines of a high school mentality.  Again, Shadyacres, no disrespect but I think you find this language normal because you are use to fornits.  Outside of this forum people dont speak that way and you would not be taken seriously, believe me.

You consistently minimize what we say even though you have no idea what we went thru. You think that because you're the parent of a kid(s) who went thru a program that you know all about it and you couldn't be more wrong.   You constantly refer to these places as simply "schools" with no further descriptor, conjuring up Rockwell images of kids learning and having free time to enjoy, meet new friends etc., just like the pretty brochures that these places show the parents when the truth is, they're nothing like how they're marketed.  I've got to admit.....you're good at marketing and spin, but what you talk about has nothing to do with the reality of what these kids are going thru.

I am here everyday and understand the language but even at that I have a hard time believing someone when they say they were abused inside a Gulag while they were inmates......  Its all drama for attention reasons.

No, it's really not.  Being kept in a literal warehouse for 12 - 18 hours a day with temps sometimes reaching into the 100s, guards standing at the doors, being denied food & water, zero access to family, phones or even being able to speak at all, being guarded and watched while you take a shit - only to be sent at night to a strangers house where the windows are nailed shut (fire codes?), doors locked from the outside (fire codes?), being watched in the shower and on the shitter is imprisoning someone.

[SUCK_IT]

Come on Anne.  Programs aren't like that anymore.  You know that.  They don't use any guards at the doors they just use cameras and the older and bigger kids keep the other ones in line.  Nobody is denied food, sleep or water like you said unless they are doing a workshop and that usually only means being kept awake for less than 48 hours and they do give you water and some snacks but not too much because you get into the session more if your a little disoriented but it's done in a controlled environment with trained staff that have gone through those workshops as residents before they became counselors at the program.  I think everyone knows this already.

[Anne Bonney]

Actually, I was thinking of;

 "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. "

Of course, there were no TTI's in those days, if there had been, I bet Jefferson would have included them in his 'long train of abuses'.

Yeah, and you told your mum you would be home clean and sober at 11 pm and did not come in until 2am lit up and smelling of booze.
We all lie....what's your point.

That months or years of emotional or psychological abuse is a wholly inappropriate and ineffective remedy for a kid who comes home late, drunk, a few times.  Or was found with weed in his pocket, or whatever.

That was not my point and ya know it.

It doesn't really matter if it wasn't your point.  It's what happens to a lot of kids.  The parents freak out when the kid starts behaving like a fairly normal teenager, of which rebellion is a normal part of the cutting the apron strings, and the kid gets shipped off for re-education.

[SUCK_IT]

Sheesh Anne it's not "re-education".  Most of these kids wern't going to school in the first place so it's just plain "education".  Sometimes you have to use some common sense.

[Whooter]

No, it's really not.  Being kept in a literal warehouse for 12 - 18 hours a day with temps sometimes reaching into the 100s, guards standing at the doors, being denied food & water, zero access to family, phones or even being able to speak at all, being guarded and watched while you take a shit - only to be sent at night to a strangers house where the windows are nailed shut (fire codes?), doors locked from the outside (fire codes?), being watched in the shower and on the shitter is imprisoning someone.

Again Anne, you prove my point.  You speak like this is happening today.   Why do people here have to mislead the readers all the time?  why not just be honest?  If you truly believe that these places are abusive why do you have to embellish the stories with "Gulag", "Kidnapping", "prisons", "abuse" and "inmates".... guards at the doors, windows nailed shut etc.

The reason people dont believe you and you lose credibility is because of stories like this Anne.  Its misleading and false.



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[SUCK_IT]

I agree with everything Whooter says here.  When your put into the isolation cell for a few weeks that doesn't make you an "inmate" and you aren't in a "gulag" just because your forced to do hard manual labor.  You weren't "kidnapped" either, a escort guy who your parents paid for sneeks into your room at 3 in the morning and handcuffs you for transport, hardly "kidnapping" and our windows were nailed shut to prevent kids from getting out at night for the exact reason that there were no guards, Anne.  You people twist everything here.

[shaggys]

If you go home everyday you are a student or an outpatient. If not you are a resident or an inmate.

Normally this would be true, but Straight inc used "host-homes" to house us at night. These were homes of parents who had kids in the program. Each house was turned into a prison of sorts with alarms everywhere and everything basically nailed down. Many bad bad things happened at the host homes. Do any programs currently use this method? I am curious.

[Anne Bonney]

No, it's really not.  Being kept in a literal warehouse for 12 - 18 hours a day with temps sometimes reaching into the 100s, guards standing at the doors, being denied food & water, zero access to family, phones or even being able to speak at all, being guarded and watched while you take a shit - only to be sent at night to a strangers house where the windows are nailed shut (fire codes?), doors locked from the outside (fire codes?), being watched in the shower and on the shitter is imprisoning someone.

Again Anne, you prove my point.  You speak like this is happening today.   Why do people here have to mislead the readers all the time?  why not just be honest?  If you truly believe that these places are abusive why do you have to embellish the stories with "Gulag", "Kidnapping", "prisons", "abuse" and "inmates".... guards at the doors, windows nailed shut etc.

First, I didn't use the words gulag or kidnapping to describe what happened to me.  I did say that I was imprisoned for the reasons stated above, which you choose to disregard/disbelieve.

Second, I'm not embellishing by saying that there were guards at the door and the windows were nailed shut.  It's absolutely true.  My father is just as guilty of it as the rest of the parents.

And third, as far as it happening today, yes I believe it is because I've been told so by kids who've recently come from programs and since I know it's a fact that it did happen to me, and given the multitude of similarities of the methods used by most of these programs (some form of LGAT or another) therefore it's quite reasonable for me to believe them when they say it's happening to them.  It varies a little....some are sent to places that are so far out in the desert that there are no guards needed as the kids know they wouldn't survive if they tried to run.  Some places are totally residential so parents nailing the windows shut isn't necessary to those programs, but the result is the same.....isolate the kids from anything to do with the outside world.

The reason people dont believe you and you lose credibility is because of stories like this Anne.  Its misleading and false.

Stop speaking for other people.  You don't believe me.  You.

[SUCK_IT]

Me and Danny either, Anne.  Don't forget that.

I agree with everything Whooter says here.  When your put into the isolation cell for a few weeks that doesn't make you an "inmate" and you aren't in a "gulag" just because your forced to do hard manual labor.  You weren't "kidnapped" either, a escort guy who your parents paid for sneeks into your room at 3 in the morning and handcuffs you for transport, hardly "kidnapping" and our windows were nailed shut to prevent kids from getting out at night for the exact reason that there were no guards, Anne.  You people twist everything here.

[Anne Bonney]

Me and Danny either, Anne.  Don't forget that.

You two don't matter.

[SUCK_IT]

But Whooter does I guess.  You must have a crush on that guy or some Daddy issues.  You can't dismiss my experiences just because I'm not a prent, Anne.  I tell the truth here and you don't like it, oh well.

[Shadyacres]

Me and Danny either, Anne.  Don't forget that.

You two don't matter.

 :twofinger:

[SUCK_IT]

Slim Shady lost the debate and now all he do is give "The Finger" great, Slim Shady.  This is how all you people here act when you're proven wrong by me Danny and Whooter.  Just attack the messenger.  You haven't proven any abuse Slim and Annie.  Programs are different today and you know it.  They don't use dog cages (lol), they use isolation cells.  They don't have marathons, they have seminars and workshops.  The names have changed, people so get used to it.  The programs have stuck to their core principals of forcing kids to change for their own good, but they have changed the names of what they do and it's not abuse anymore.

[Anne Bonney]

But Whooter does I guess.  You must have a crush on that guy or some Daddy issues.  You can't dismiss my experiences just because I'm not a prent, Anne.  I tell the truth here and you don't like it, oh well.

No, he just at least attempt to make his point with some degree of intelligence.  Danny is damn near illiterate and a member of the HeMan Woman Haters Club and you're just an obvious troll.