Many Many Programs Abuse Kids

[Son Of Serbia]

Yes, that position works well for your side of the argument;" If I didn't see it, it must not have happened. "  But the root philosophy of these places is so similar throughout this industry that I tend to believe the countless reports of abuse that come out of these places on a regular basis. No, I never had to lie on the floor for three days, but I believe the accounts of those who said they did.  And my program did not have minimum wage goons either, we had unpaid goons, other "residents".

 If I didn't see it, it must not have happened.

Now this was not my point at all.

My point is, we have people speaking of abuses that happened, that have no real experience of. Some of you speak matter of factually that the reader is under the impression the poster experienced the abuse. You grab so many different experiences and meld them into one big story. Yet you don't let the readers know this. You can't plagurize several different stories as your own without letting folks know this.
Well, I guess you can but it is not right and doesn't lend itself to integrity.

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DannyB II, if your own spite-filled, nonsensical ramblings have shown us anything - it is that YOU HAVE NO INTEGRITY WHAT-SO-EVER!  I've never plagurized anyone - I don't need to either.  I have plenty of horrible and traumatic memories from CEDU that are the basis for
my views concerning programs.  The fact that my own personal stories of being abused mirror those of survivors from other "programs" such as Straight, Elan, HLA/Ridge Creek, ASR, etcetera... indicate that such abuse is not isolated to a specific program (or individuals working there), but rather this is a systemic problem that affects the entire "troubled teen program" industry.

Danny, if you would kindly remove your head from the inside of your own asshole from time
to time, you'd finally get some fresh air and perhaps a new perspective on things.  Am I asking for too much here?  Seriously Danny, how do you breathe with your head jammed
so far up your ass anyways?

[shaggys]

Danny it seems like all you can do is echo Whoots comments. Except your echo is not very articulate at all. At least Whoot is capable of fully articulating his BS into understandable BS. Your BS is barely understandable at all. Serious question: Are you farming out your account here again or are you back on the dope? You seem to be unable to put together any coherent argument these days. Also, please discuss the abuse you committed as a staff member at Elan including the Car/Van dragging incident. Thanks.

[DannyB II]

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[Shadyacres]

So this is what I am left with Serbia and Shady, regurgitating what everyone else has had to say concerning me.
Shady you understand exactly what I am saying you just don't like it.
Whooter this is what we were left with, this wing nut.
Shady I have no problem discussing my experience as a Staff Member and a Ass. Director with you. What do you want to know.

I think my exact question was "so what's this I hear about you dragging a girl behind a truck?"

As far as the incident of dragging a girl around, nope not this guy, sorry.

Oh, I believe you!  Even if nobody else on this forum believes you, I do.  I have seen your stellar character come out in your posts.

Is this unintelligible, Shady.

It wasn't me who pointed out your obvious grammatical shortcomings, though I was tempted.

[DannyB II]

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[DannyB II]

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[shaggys]

Danny I just set up a thread in the offa section to discuss your abusive behavior as a staff member at Elan. Please respond there instead of using this thread for your own purposes. Thanks. :beat:

[DannyB II]

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[Froderik]

[Che Gookin]

You know the whole van dragging thing happened recently in Texas and not with Danny in Elan right? I'm wildly guessing he's piss taking you clowns and getting you to derail threads for him.

Good job dudes, good job.

[RobertBruce]

Outside of fornits the kids inside of HLA are referred to as “students” by most of the population and the state of Georgia refers to them as “Residents”. So the use of the term “Inmate” sets the tone and we need to view your post as misleading or greatly exaggerated. So after we filter out the exaggerations we see that the students were allowed to speak with their parents and say whatever they wish to. Some students, like yourself, who requested to call your parents during dinner time and you were denied and therefore you felt abused and isolated when in fact you were just being impatient and rude.

Counselors never hang up on the parents, we know this. At the very least they would apologize for their childs' rude behavior and offer to call them back after they settled you down a bit

The crazy thing is that I was actually there, and you weren't. So that being the case my opinion is more valid than yours, as mine is based on facts, yours is based on your pro child abuse rhetoric. Since you deny having ever sent your son to HLA, you really have no frame of reference at all to even speculate on procedures or what day to day life was like there. Perhaps once you start being honest about things we can have a more open discussion. Till then the fact remains that all forms of communication in and out of HLA were restricted and censored. An inmate, provided he was not on restriction, was granted one prescheduled 10 minute phone call per week, that could be terminated at any time. There is no evidence to suggest the situation has changed at RC.

You are welcome to ask both DJ and Jill about it for further verification.

As far as the inmate comment goes, its what we called ourselves during our incarceration. The ironic thing about it was that we all knew that people in prison actually had more rights than we did. It probably started with, as Max mentioned, the high number of court ordered delinquents sent to HLA. I suppose they were just used to the term, and the rest of us found how it applied to us as well.

[RobertBruce]

Programs do allow open communication between parents and child. There is typically at least one parent or family member that the child can speak to on a weekly basis.

There is a misconception circulating here on fornits that programs don't allow this communication. but it is not true.

That's not open communication. Open communication says that a child has the right to say, "I need to call my parents", and is then given access to a phone.

This does happen, Robert. In many programs of today 2010.

At HLA, a program that was shut down due to a legitmate lawsuit and factual allegations of abuse, communication was highly restricted.

Which reopened under a new name, Ridge Creek School. They settled the case with Georgia.

A inmate had to earn the ability to call home.

Robert, likes to be disrespectful towards other students/residents and refer to them like they are in prison. I believe Robert must have gotten himself into a lot of trouble as a youngster so he is familiar with the juvenile term "inmate".
Programs in 2010 do not and have never referred to children as inmates.
I went to a program 30 years that would make Roberts program look like a day care center gone wild for a day and I never felt like a inmate.

Letters must be first be sent and recieved before any phone calls were allowed. No letters would be given or sent out with out first being approved. If a inmate wrote, "This place sucks, I hate it here." Sorry kiddo, that letter isn't going anywhere but the trash can. They refer to that one as 'lying'. If a child wrote, "The staff here is horrible. I'm being abused, here's what happened:.....". Well at HLA that was refered to as 'manipulating' and would never be mailed out. If a child who was abused by a parent says something like, "I hate you for what you did to me." Well that's called being abusive and also will be thrown in the trash. If a parent writes to a child and says, "I'm not sure I like that place. I'm thinking about taking you out of there. Tell me what's going on." You can rest assured the child will never see that letter.

Robert, likes to talk about his time in HLA and shares this with others hoping to help. I'm sure it does.
We need to stay in touch with today 2010 and what is happening at the new program called RCS.
I was in a program as I stated, letters were going in and going out undisturbed as were phone calls.

Phone calls are no different. A "counselor" sits in on all ten minute phone calls (15 depending on how long you've been there) and the second you say something they on't like, the call is disconnected.

Robert, loves to get carried away, ya know put that, "got ya" comment out there. I never had a staff hang up the phone while my parents were on the other end. Sounds kind of crazy doesn't it, well it is.

Whenever a child is placed on restrictions he is denied phone calls with his parents until he comes off. Counselors communicate for the child during this time.

We were allowed are schedule calls regardless, parents needed to know why you were being punished and it was up to you also to tell them. staff also understood the need to talk with your parents on a regular bases. This was happening 30 years ago.

None of this falls under open communication, and all of it is abusive.

Well once again this is your opinion, Robert and you are entitled to it but please do not force it on the rest of us. That would be considered rude.

1. It appears you know even less than I thought about the situation at HLA. They didnt settle the case with Georgia, they settled it with us. They paid us, because they knew there would be no way to control the damage that would come out in open court.

2. You may want to look into the differences between facts and opinions. My comments and opinion are again based on facts. Your opnion states that my comments are untrue, yet you like Whooter have no real basis for this claim. Until you provide some sort of evidence to suggest otherwise, I'm the best source of knowledge you've got. Given that you have no connection or expereince related to HLA or RC you really have nothing to add when it's discussed.  Again please discuss it with DJ and Jill, they'll tell you the same things I am.

So since that is the case perhaps it is you who should learn to keep your opinions which have no basis to yourself. They provide no real contribution and are essentially utter nonsense anyway.

[Whooter]

As far as the inmate comment goes, its what we called ourselves during our incarceration. The ironic thing about it was that we all knew that people in prison actually had more rights than we did. It probably started with, as Max mentioned, the high number of court ordered delinquents sent to HLA. I suppose they were just used to the term, and the rest of us found how it applied to us as well.

So when people hear you call yourself inmates they know that you are exaggerating so you must also be exaggerating when speaking of your other experiences also.  The school and parents refer to you as students, the state refers to you as residents, but you chose to redefine yourself to gain attention and embellish your position there.  Your credibility erodes when it is viewed that you are seeking attention.

Just want to point that out.



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[none-ya]

If you go home everyday you are a student or an outpatient. If not you are a resident or an inmate.

[Whooter]

If you go home everyday you are a student or an outpatient. If not you are a resident or an inmate.

Thank you, none-ya.  Resident to most and if you want drama and attention you tell people you were an inmate who was kidnapped and placed into a Gulag against your will , isolated and abused for several years.



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