Public School Abuse

[Eliscu2]

Whotius Maximus,
You need to join a law firm.
You have mad skills! :clown:
Love,
Vaders Kid

[Pile of Dead Kids]

Eliscu is somewhere in the blue, Joel is halfway between blue and green.

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Eliscu2]

:poison:

[Eliscu2]

Whotius Maximus,
You need to join a law firm.
You have mad skills! :clown:
Love,
Vaders Kid

The Law firm of Whooter &  Woodbury & Huey!  ::OMG::



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Yes, you got it! It's either THAT, or it's *not* THAT!

Postby Ursus » 11 Jun 2010, 17:08

Whooter wrote:

Joel wrote:

Which equates to "I have a legally binding written agreement signed between ***** and Whooter stipulating non-disclosure of the legally binding agreement."

Exactly! or it could mean something completely different. (Whooter avoiding the "Are your clients associated with the TTI?"  Whooter how much longer can you spin this statement?  The clock is ticking.)   I think if you look at the date on the post you will see it occurred some time ago.

Ya know... "Exactly! or it could mean something completely different," does pretty much cover all possibilities, now doesn't it?

It's really hard to tell isn't it?
I feel like I am tied to a chair forced to watch the Iraq War on Fox with Bill O'Reily...Oh Realy? No....REALLY!
"The All Spin but we call it No spin show" ::evil::

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Whooter]

Eckerd uses Gleasser's Reality Therapy. [The short version]  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_therapy

Reality therapy provides a model of building relationships by instructing helpers to create a need-satisfying counseling environment. The five basic needs of all humans are survival; love and belonging; power; freedom and fun. So, in a helping relationship, the helper must create an environment where it is possible for the person being helped to feel safe; to feel connected to the helper in some way; to be listened to and respected; to have some choices; and to have some fun or learning with the helper. After creating this need-satisfying environment and working hard to maintain it throughout the relationship, the helper can move on to the actual problem.


There were allot of kids that came from juvenile hall to Eckerd Camp E-Hun-Tee.  The only things they  concerned themselves with were sleep, food, water, taking daily dumps, showers, games, siesta and school.  They didn't respond well to wilderness group counselors [who live with them 24 hours a day/5 days per week] who used all the lingo associated, for the most part, with reality therapy.  I thought it worked best to get straight to the point and be a straight shooter in group settings.

Thanks Joel, these are fairly benign and very effective methods in helping troubled teens get back on a healthy path.  If you combine this with a few more of the basic techiniques of  GGI/ Positive Peer Culture you can attain a high degree of success in helping these kids. (Not familiar enough to know if Eckerd did this or not) One of the problems is that it is not effective on all children and producing a screening process to determine ahead of time which students would benefit and which would not has not been established or even defined, to my knowledge.

Most of the ground work and studies of these methodologies were laid in the 1950’s with surprising success and as you laid out for us they were able to boil and distill it down to a simple and straight forward template for helping kids.

survival; love and belonging; power; freedom and fun.

I think we can easily see where the use of the term survivor came from, which is used here on fornits to describe kids who passed though these steps.



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[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Eliscu2]

:clown:

[Whooter]

Whooter I brought up the topic because I worked with the Glasser model at EYA.  I also brought it up because I read it on this thread.  In addition,  I spoke from first hand work experience.  Can you provide a study that stipulates Reality Therapy is effective in the TTI?  

Whooter wrote:

survival; love and belonging; power; freedom and fun.[/b]

I think we can easily see where the use of the term survivor came from, which is used here on fornits to describe kids who passed though these steps.

Whooter all I can say is "Good luck digging yourself out of this hole."

I could probably find one if that was important to you.  But you should try looking for yourself first.  In the mean time I think this is a good discussion.  Many of us have been exposed to the industry in one way or another.  Some of us attended a program, others worked for a wilderness, others have met many kids who have attended programs.  Some of us have experience with at-risk teens as parents, some of us do not.  I dont think that we should exclude you from participating in a conversation because you have never raised an at-risk teen and therefore could not fully understand the effects on a child attending or appreciating the level of success that programs can provide.

Although you have never had first hand experience in this area I think it is important that your views be included and heard.  So feel free to post anytime you like.



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[Eliscu2]

Whooter I brought up the topic because I worked with the Glasser model at EYA.  I also brought it up because I read it on this thread.  In addition,  I spoke from first hand work experience.  Can you provide a study that stipulates Reality Therapy is effective in the TTI?  

Whooter wrote:

survival; love and belonging; power; freedom and fun.[/b]

I think we can easily see where the use of the term survivor came from, which is used here on fornits to describe kids who passed though these steps.

Whooter all I can say is "Good luck digging yourself out of this hole."

I could probably find one if that was important to you.  But you should try looking for yourself first.  In the mean time I think this is a good discussion.  Many of us have been exposed to the industry in one way or another.  Some of us attended a program, others worked for a wilderness, others have met many kids who have attended programs.  Some of us have experience with at-risk teens as parents, some of us do not.  I dont think that we should exclude you from participating in a conversation because you have never raised an at-risk teen and therefore could not fully understand the effects on a child attending or appreciating the level of success that programs can provide.

Although you have never had first hand experience in this area I think it is important that your views be included and heard.  So feel free to post anytime you like.



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[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Whooter]

The burden of proof is on you Whooter. In otherwords, as usual, you have nothing to validate your opinions, claims and/or views.

Well, okay, first things first.  If you want people to validate their opinions and provide links then why not start with yourself.  Validate this for us first with studies performed in the specific areas,  peer reviewed studies,  hhhmmm wait,  clinical peer reviewed studies with third party oversight:

Here you go, what did you say about burden of proof?  lol:

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Whooter from my experience working in programs I noticed a couple of things.  Parents (1) physically abused their children (2) verbally abused their children (3) sexually abused their children (4) abused drugs (5) abused alcohol (6) were going through a divorce (7) didn't spend enough time with their children ( failed to supervise their children on a consistent basis (9) failed to enforce logical rules in the home [up for debate] (10) failed to consequence their children within reason [not talking about torture etc.] and (11) failed to act as good role models.  As a result, the child says fuck it, I'll party hard, skip school, steal cars, burn latrines, blow up mail boxes and the whole nine yards  Often adults cannot connect the dots.  I am not saying the above applies to you but only you can answer that.  Some parents choose to step up to the plate, man up and tackle the problem head on.  Others take the easy way out, don't exhaust every option in the book and take the easy way out by sending their child to a program.  Again I don't know if this applies to you, only you can answer that.

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[Eliscu2]

A former Silverton elementary school teacher was sentenced to 40 years in prison Monday for repeatedly raping and sexually abusing a 13-year-old boy.

Susan C. Alderson, 47, of South Salem was a teacher at Robert Frost Elementary School at the time of her arrest……

Alderson pleaded guilty to all the charges against her in February. They are two counts each of rape, sodomy, second-degree sexual abuse and third-degree sexual abuse. Third-degree sexual abuse is a misdemeanor charge; the others are felonies.
Rape and sodomy are Measure 11 crimes that carry mandatory minimum sentences of 8 years 4 months in prison.

But Marion County Circuit Judge Joseph Ochoa said factors including the vulnerability of the victim, persistent involvement in the crimes, violation of the public's trust and Alderson's lack of remorse substantiated the extended sentence.

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some things are worth waiting for. :rasta:  :deal: