Public School Abuse

[Eliscu2]

June 11, 2010

A former York Junior High School teacher and coach has been ordered to spend three years in prison and three years on probation after admitting he sent sexually explicit text messages to underage girls.

Authorities say Cheeks was a teacher and coach at York Junior High School when he sent explicit text messages to a 14-year-old girl and 15-year-old girl.

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Whotius Maximus,
Are you trying to say that our ENTIRE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM needs an overhaul?
Public and Programs?
I agree....it blows from the Top on down.

[Whooter]

June 11, 2010

A former York Junior High School teacher and coach has been ordered to spend three years in prison and three years on probation after admitting he sent sexually explicit text messages to underage girls.

Authorities say Cheeks was a teacher and coach at York Junior High School when he sent explicit text messages to a 14-year-old girl and 15-year-old girl.

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Whotius Maximus,
Are you trying to say that our ENTIRE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM needs an overhaul?
Public and Programs?
I agree....it blows from the Top on down.

Thank you Eliscu2, Like myself  you see it as a system wide problem.

There has always been this misconception among posters here that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts and I dont know how this came to be.  Each time there is an issue of a child being sexually assaulted by an employee there are calls to have the programs shut down which tells me that people really don’t read very  much outside of fornits arena.

If posters were properly informed they would be calling for the closure of the public school system long before they would any program.  So these posts serve to educate and inform readers that this problem is wide spread and isn’t unique to the Troubled Teen Industry.



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[Ursus]

There has always been this misconception among posters here that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts and I dont know how this came to be.

Obfuscation by exaggeration to ridiculous extremes. LINK please, or yet another fail.

[Whooter]

There has always been this misconception among posters here that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts and I dont know how this came to be.

Obfuscation by exaggeration to ridiculous extremes. LINK please, or yet another fail.

You may try to defend the statement if you want to, but you cannot decide if it fails to make the point intended.  The individual readers have that right.



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[Ursus]

There has always been this misconception among posters here that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts and I dont know how this came to be.

Obfuscation by exaggeration to ridiculous extremes. LINK please, or yet another fail.

You may try to defend the statement if you want to, but you cannot decide if it fails to make the point intended.  The individual readers have that right.

Oh, I am not defending it. Not in the least bit. I am asking you to defend your statement. But you already know that, don't you?

I simply have never seen such an opinion voiced here, yet you claim that it exists. Moreover, that it has always existed amongst posters here. I'm just asking you to provide proof of an example in the form of a link.

• Where has anyone here claimed that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts?

Kindly provide a link for such an example. And, provided you can even find an example where someone has opined thus, please also provide proof that this misconception has always been present on fornits.

[Whooter]

There has always been this misconception among posters here that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts and I dont know how this came to be.

Obfuscation by exaggeration to ridiculous extremes. LINK please, or yet another fail.

You may try to defend the statement if you want to, but you cannot decide if it fails to make the point intended.  The individual readers have that right.

Oh, I am not defending it. Not in the least bit.

I thought you would not.  I think we all know that when there is a child who falls victim to a sex predator in a program then there are calls for the programs to be shut down.... that programs allow and hire these type of people...... I dont think I have ever seen a discussion on how programs can prevent predators from gaining access or trying to understand how that person got into the school... rather the programs are accused of allowing it to happen without any sort of evidence.

If you have not seen this yourself, then you have not been reading much.

I have been posting article after article of school teachers having sexual contact or raping students in public schools and we have all seen the responses.  Now it is only a matter of time before it occurs inside a program.  Do you think the response will be the same as we have seen in the public school thread? lol  I think you know the answer already.  



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[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Ursus]

There has always been this misconception among posters here that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts and I dont know how this came to be.

Obfuscation by exaggeration to ridiculous extremes. LINK please, or yet another fail.

You may try to defend the statement if you want to, but you cannot decide if it fails to make the point intended.  The individual readers have that right.

Oh, I am not defending it. Not in the least bit. I am asking you to defend your statement. But you already know that, don't you?

I simply have never seen such an opinion voiced here, yet you claim that it exists. Moreover, that it has always existed amongst posters here. I'm just asking you to provide proof of an example in the form of a link.

• Where has anyone here claimed that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts?

Kindly provide a link for such an example. And, provided you can even find an example where someone has opined thus, please also provide proof that this misconception has always been present on fornits.

I thought you would not. I think we all know that when there is a child who falls victim to a sex predator in a program then there are calls for the programs to be shut down.... that programs allow and hire these type of people...... I dont think I have ever seen a discussion on how programs can prevent predators from gaining access or trying to understand how that person got into the school... rather the programs are accused of allowing it to happen without any sort of evidence.

If you have not seen this yourself, then you have not been reading much.

I have been posting article after article of school teachers having sexual contact or raping students in public schools and we have all seen the responses. Now it is only a matter of time before it occurs inside a program. Do you think the response will be the same as we have seen in the public school thread? lol I think you know the answer already.

Sorry, Whooter, your answer does not appear to make sense in light of my question, or perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly. Could you please indulge me another attempt? I'd appreciate that.

Here's my question once more, super simple version:

• Where has anyone here claimed that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts?

[Whooter]

Here's my question once more, super simple version:

• Where has anyone here claimed that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts?

 If you demand links then you should demand them from everyone equally, not just the people you disagree with.  I would like to see a link that shows all programs to be abusive, or a link that shows programs brainwash people, a link that shows I make money off the industry or a link that says I am this John Reuben guy or a link that states I work for Aspen.  See what I mean?

Here is my answer:
 I think we all know that when there is a child who falls victim to a sex predator in a program then there are calls for the programs to be shut down.... that programs allow and hire these type of people...... I dont think I have ever seen a discussion on how programs can prevent predators from gaining access or trying to understand how that person got into the school... rather the programs are accused of allowing it to happen without any sort of evidence.

If you have not seen this yourself, then you have not been reading much.

I have been posting article after article of school teachers having sexual contact or raping students in public schools and we have all seen the responses. Now it is only a matter of time before it occurs inside a program. Do you think the response will be the same as we have seen in the public school thread? lol I think you know the answer already.

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Whooter]

http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12694&p=366561#p366561

You are still avoiding the "Are your clients associated with the TTI Whooter?" question in the above link.

I didnt avoid your post or your question.  You changed your question and edited your post 7 times over a 4 hour period and by that time we had all moved on.



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[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[DannyB II]

danny

[DannyB II]

Here's my question once more, super simple version:

• Where has anyone here claimed that programs are the sole host to predators of all sorts?

 If you demand links then you should demand them from everyone equally, not just the people you disagree with.  I would like to see a link that shows all programs to be abusive, or a link that shows programs brainwash people, a link that shows I make money off the industry or a link that says I am this John Reuben guy or a link that states I work for Aspen.  See what I mean?

Here is my answer:
 I think we all know that when there is a child who falls victim to a sex predator in a program then there are calls for the programs to be shut down.... that programs allow and hire these type of people...... I dont think I have ever seen a discussion on how programs can prevent predators from gaining access or trying to understand how that person got into the school... rather the programs are accused of allowing it to happen without any sort of evidence.

If you have not seen this yourself, then you have not been reading much.

I have been posting article after article of school teachers having sexual contact or raping students in public schools and we have all seen the responses. Now it is only a matter of time before it occurs inside a program. Do you think the response will be the same as we have seen in the public school thread? lol I think you know the answer already.

Stay tuff whoot!!!!!!!!!!

[Whooter]

Joel, you still havent got back to me on the answers to the questions I asked.  Lets get them done first.  Let me know when you are done.

Here you go:

Original post

Whooter from my experience working in programs I noticed a couple of things.  Parents (1) physically abused their children (2) verbally abused their children (3) sexually abused their children (4) abused drugs (5) abused alcohol (6) were going through a divorce (7) didn't spend enough time with their children ( failed to supervise their children on a consistent basis (9) failed to enforce logical rules in the home [up for debate] (10) failed to consequence their children within reason [not talking about torture etc.] and (11) failed to act as good role models.  As a result, the child says fuck it, I'll party hard, skip school, steal cars, burn latrines, blow up mail boxes and the whole nine yards  Often adults cannot connect the dots.  I am not saying the above applies to you but only you can answer that.  Some parents choose to step up to the plate, man up and tackle the problem head on.  Others take the easy way out, don't exhaust every option in the book and take the easy way out by sending their child to a program.  Again I don't know if this applies to you, only you can answer that.

Joel where did you get this information?  You never provided a link or citation....I will answer you but you need to live up to your own standards.  Answer the following and then we will talk



•   (1) What was the Parents First and Last Name
•   (2) What type of Language did they use?
•   (3)How do you define Sexual abuse?
•   (4) How did you determine that drugs were abused?  Was there a test involved?
•   (5) How much alcohol was consumed?
•   (6)Who initiated the divorce (father or mother)?
•   (7) How much time did they spend with their children and how do you define “enough”?
•   (8)Can you provide a link indicating their consistency in this area?
•   (9) Can you provide an example of illogical Rules?
•   (10) Which consequences did they fail to enforce?
•   (11) Can you provide a link to a good role model?



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