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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2003, 09:11:00 PM »
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"Someone needs to put you in your place. You are the one with a history of trying to make others feel bad. I can tell that from reading your posts. As far as the hitting a nerve thing, I guess I have to spell it out for you, all the angry comments about "gullable parents and how they are easy marks" etc...read your own post Ms. Self righteous. It is obvious who your seething rage is for. Are you really that clueless? Maybe so, read your posts."


You don't have the power to put anyone else in any "place."  You don't have the power to assign people to some "place" chosen by you.

And who would you think my so-called "seething rage" is for?  This could get downright funny.

The parents who send their kids to these places *are* gullible.  Just as gullible as the little old ladies that send their lifesavings to televangelists, or invest in the next "get rich quick" scheme, or buy into email inheritances from Nigeria.

Their gullibility is frustrating (because it affects children they are responsible for), but not criminal.  Fraud and child abuse on the part of the institutions and the people running them *are* criminal, or at the very least are torts.

If you think your post(s) do some kind of place-putting, okaaayyyyy---whatever flips your lid.
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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2003, 09:11:00 PM »
The person who wrote that is someone else. Not me, the last person that posted.
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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2003, 09:21:00 PM »
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"Someone needs to put you in your place. You are the one with a history of trying to make others feel bad. I can tell that from reading your posts. As far as the hitting a nerve thing, I guess I have to spell it out for you, all the angry comments about "gullable parents and how they are easy marks" etc...read your own post Ms. Self righteous. It is obvious who your seething rage is for. Are you really that clueless? Maybe so, read your posts."




You don't have the power to put anyone else in any "place."  You don't have the power to assign people to some "place" chosen by you.



And who would you think my so-called "seething rage" is for?  This could get downright funny.



The parents who send their kids to these places *are* gullible.  Just as gullible as the little old ladies that send their lifesavings to televangelists, or invest in the next "get rich quick" scheme, or buy into email inheritances from Nigeria.



Their gullibility is frustrating (because it affects children they are responsible for), but not criminal.  Fraud and child abuse on the part of the institutions and the people running them *are* criminal, or at the very least are torts.



If you think your post(s) do some kind of place-putting, okaaayyyyy---whatever flips your lid."
 No, it looks as though you have put yourself right where you belong. Your true colors are shining bright for all to see.
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2003, 09:22:00 PM »
Deborah - What's with all the name-calling?  You seem to be both judge and jury when it comes to what you perceive as true.  Yes, I get that you want people to believe your story, and I don't feel it's credible when it comes to wwasp.  There are so many things that you've shared that are very different.  The bandwagon is out of tune
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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2003, 09:28:00 PM »
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"Deborah - What's with all the name-calling?  You seem to be both judge and jury when it comes to what you perceive as true.  Yes, I get that you want people to believe your story, and I don't feel it's credible when it comes to wwasp.  There are so many things that you've shared that are very different.  The bandwagon is out of tune"
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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2003, 09:31:00 PM »
Deborah, looks like you got your panties in quite a bunch! :rofl:
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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2003, 09:32:00 PM »
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No, it looks as though you have put yourself right where you belong. Your true colors are shining bright for all to see."


I don't have a problem with my colors.  That you would think I would is...strange.

I think I'm just going to chalk you up as a very odd duck, not that there's anything wrong with that, and wander on my merry way.

I hope you have a nice evening.
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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2003, 09:37:00 PM »
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Their gullibility is frustrating (because it affects children they are responsible for), but not criminal


I disagree.  The parents are not gullible, they are neglegent!
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2003, 09:39:00 PM »
Good job Deb. You are becoming more likable already. :wave:
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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2003, 09:46:00 PM »
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I disagree.  The parents are not gullible, they are neglegent!"


The only set of these parents I've run into personally I would classify as more gullible than negligent.

And I'm not trying to give them a free pass or anything, because I actually don't like them very much.  At all, in fact.

They just seem to be well meaning but have lousy judgement about who to trust and what are red flags and when to pay real close attention to the red flags.

The kind of people with more money than common sense.

Your experience may well be different.
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« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2003, 10:56:00 PM »
***You seem to be both judge and jury when it comes to what you perceive as true.

We're all here sharing our experience and opinions... well except those who are attempting ontological coaching without permission from the other participants. I like my opinions/truth atleast as well as you like your's. Is it rare that you encounter that? Is it rare that you encounter anyone who has their own opinions/truths? I imagine what really bugs you is that I won't be silenced or be manipulated by your BS, or let some BS go by without commenting. You demonstrate BS, and I'll point it out, to the best of my ability and truth, when I'm in the mood.

***Yes, I get that you want people to believe your story, and I don't feel it's credible when it comes to wwasp.

I have absolutely no need for you to believe my story- I actually think that is an impossibility, and I'm certainly not here to convince you or anyone else. It will ring true for some, and others may remember it when they are a couple of months into a program and things aren't going as they were told they would. They'll be back here reading up to validate their hunches regarding the unbelievable things that are transpiring. Unless of course, they are good program parents and never question anything on their child's behalf.

If you've seen one program, you've seen them all, or atleast the majority. They all use the same or very similar techniques. And again, this board is not exclusively wwasp. They are not the only program scammimg parents.
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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2003, 10:57:00 PM »
Wait a second here. Doesn't WWASP teach that everything is what you make it, if you have a problem it's your problem, if bad things happen to you it's your fault?

So then... with all these bad things happening to WWASP, programs closing, criminal investigations, lawsuites, bad press and all, how come they don't practice what they preach?
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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2003, 11:48:00 PM »
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"Deborah - What's with all the name-calling?  You seem to be both judge and jury when it comes to what you perceive as true.  Yes, I get that you want people to believe your story, and I don't feel it's credible when it comes to wwasp.  There are so many things that you've shared that are very different.  The bandwagon is out of tune"
     Yes, I think that is probably the best way to sum her up, "Judge and jury when it comes to what she perceives as true." :tup:
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2003, 12:22:00 PM »
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"Yes, I think that is probably the best way to sum her up, "Judge and jury when it comes to what she perceives as true." :tup: "


Yes,  :tup: ! In the more commonly accepted reality outside the RR seminars, this is what we call "self determination" or "independent assessment". We sort out our perceptions in the context of past experience, knowledge and understanding and we draw our own conclusions without any need whatever for any higher authority to tell us what we're looking at.

Sound crazy? Well, don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

The weavers of linen and hempen cloth, ... may exercise their trades without paying any fine.
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2003, 07:37:00 PM »
Yes, we all believe what we want to.  Just like I didn't want to believe my son was smoking crack or dropping acid.  Then again, if we want to find the negative, IT'S SO EASY to do.  If you're happy living in the negative, then that's the first thing you will see, and the person who lives in the positive won't even see it as negative at all.  Even people in the same family will see the world differently.  

Just like so many MORE parents believe in WWASPS than a handful of parents that don't.  My "guess" is that shows up in other areas of their lives, not just regarding WWASPS.  

So you WWASPS haters, where else does the "victim"  show up in your lives?  Ooops, there goes my program speak!! LOL!
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