How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Victims?

[Dysfunction Junction]

Yes, but I never said you were a willing participant in a rape.  .

Is it just me, or is Whooter implying that SOME rape victims are "willing participants?"   As in "she asked for it?"  Whooter, you are even more fucked up than I originally thought.  By definition, the only willing participant in a rape is the rapist.    Whooter, however, seems to believe otherwise.

That's pretty messed up.  It explains a lot though.

[Anne Bonney]

No, what needs to happen is for Whooter to end up in a situation where he thought he wanted to have sex but then decided no, I don't want to. But the other person who happens to be more dominate, stronger and violent decides well you are going to have sex whether you want to or not. Then proceeds to take what he wants. This is called rape, whether it is a prostitute, your wife or your virgin daughter. No!!!! Means!!!! No!!!!!

Statutory rape victims have usually been manipulated and or coerced into the actual sexual act from someone much older then them. The victims most always end up being hurt psychologically from the experience. This has been my experience with family members, friends and others I have had the benefit of assisting in the aftermath.

The children Whooter, remember!!! This is what this site is all about.

Whooter, you think this site is a fucking game, where you can play. You take what people share and you insult them with what they so graciously shared. Your a fucking asshole. Period!!!!!
I don't care if I get banned, censored or whatever. In my opinion as many others you just have to go and I mean as soon as possible.
You are a fool who's time has long passed.

Sorry everyone but this sensitive subject which is hard to read for me coupled with Whooters comments I just find entirely repugnant.

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[RobertBruce]

John, I wonder if you could explain why you brought up and lied about Anne having unprotected sex as a child, and how you could possibly know about it?

John?  You may have posted on the wrong thread.  This recent discussion is mostly between Dysfunction Junction, Anne Bonney, Shaggys and myself.



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Call yourself whatever you like, the question to you remains. Why did you bring up Anne having unprotected sex as a child and why did you lie about it?

[Froderik]

"Program pushers" will go to just about ANY length to invalidate abuse victims...

The #1 rule at STRAIGHT INC. was "Confidentiality."

"What you see here, hear here (sic), and do here remains here."

If you broke this rule and got caught you were "started over."


This illustrates the type of oppressive mentality you are dealing with in regard to programs like STRAIGHT.

STRAIGHT INC is still in business today, but under different names (it began as a spin-off of The Seed, and sustains itself by forming offshoot organizations when the lawsuits get out of hand.) Perhaps someone could name a few of the current Straight-descendant programs, like Teen Challenge?

[Whooter]

Yes, but I never said you were a willing participant in a rape.  .

Is it just me, or is Whooter implying that SOME rape victims are "willing participants?"   As in "she asked for it?"  Whooter, you are even more fucked up than I originally thought.  By definition, the only willing participant in a rape is the rapist.    Whooter, however, seems to believe otherwise.

Its you, RTP2003.  So this means that you are calling Anne Bonney , using your vernacular "even more fucked up than you originally thought."  I think you should apologize to Anne for thinking this and taking her words out of context to further your agenda against me.  Again you stand on other peoples backs to try to make a point.  why dont you try to speak for yourself once in a while?
Next time try to follow along in the conversation to understand you said what before you embarrass yourself and insult Annes choice of words.  I undestood what Anne meant and so did the other readers.

I never said that you said the word "rape". You did imply that I was having "unprotected sex", inferring that I was a willing participant.

To which I replied:

Yes, but I never said you were a willing participant in a rape. People who have been raped can also have sex willingly with others.

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[RobertBruce]

Yet you are still unable to respond to the questions regarding why you brought up your claim that Anne was placed in Straight due to having unprotected sex or why you lied about it. Get on it son.

[Anne Bonney]

Yet you are still unable to respond to the questions regarding why you brought up your claim that Anne was placed in Straight due to having unprotected sex or why you lied about it. Get on it son.

He can't/won't.  He made even more assumptions about my pre-Straight history.  This thread shows that he's really gone off the deep end.

[Whooter]

Yet you are still unable to respond to the questions regarding why you brought up your claim that Anne was placed in Straight due to having unprotected sex or why you lied about it. Get on it son.

He can't/won't.  He made even more assumptions about my pre-Straight history.  This thread shows that he's really gone off the deep end.

Assumptions are an awful thing arent they?  Imagine if someone assumed that they worked in the TT industry or their name was John Reuben, Peter or Alan Newman, or assumed they profited from the industry or assumed they were an EdCon.  

Do you think people on fornits would ever make assumptions like this?



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[Anne Bonney]

Yet you are still unable to respond to the questions regarding why you brought up your claim that Anne was placed in Straight due to having unprotected sex or why you lied about it. Get on it son.

He can't/won't.  He made even more assumptions about my pre-Straight history.  This thread shows that he's really gone off the deep end.

Assumptions are an awful thing arent they?  Imagine if someone assumed that they worked in the TT industry or their name was John Reuben, Peter or Alan Newman, or assumed they profited from the industry or assumed they were an EdCon.  

Do you think people on fornits would ever make assumptions like this?

Even if you don't have any financial connection to the TTI, you sure are a Kool-Aid drinker about it.  Kinda like a cult member that refuses to listen to anything other than what they've been taught.

Again.....what you've posted here shows that you've gone waaaaaayyyyy too far and will go to any lengths to defend programs.  (I'm speaking of LGAT-type programs.  I've never said that there are no teens that need help from time to time.  Of course there are, but the programs we're talking about don't provide help.  They do the opposite.)

[Whooter]

Even if you don't have any financial connection to the TTI, you sure are a Kool-Aid drinker about it.  Kinda like a cult member that refuses to listen to anything other than what they've been taught.

Again.....what you've posted here shows that you've gone waaaaaayyyyy too far and will go to any lengths to defend programs.  (I'm speaking of LGAT-type programs.  I've never said that there are no teens that need help from time to time.  Of course there are, but the programs we're talking about don't provide help.  They do the opposite.)

and that is okay, Anne.  It all depends on perspective.  The people you hang out with probably think you have a healthy view on the industry.  I see it differently, I feel you view all programs through your filtered experiences you had at straight.  Its not your fault, it is just the way it is, you were damaged by your experience along with your perspective on the industry.  So what is in reality a person with an open mind and a moderate view on the industry is viewed by you as someone who is a kool-aid drinker because they dont side with your extreme viewpoints.



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[Froderik]

"Program pushers" will go to just about ANY length to invalidate abuse victims...

The #1 rule at STRAIGHT INC. was "Confidentiality."

"What you see here, hear here (sic), and do here remains here."

If you broke this rule and got caught you were "started over."


This illustrates the type of oppressive mentality you are dealing with in regard to programs like STRAIGHT.

STRAIGHT INC is still in business today, but under different names (it began as a spin-off of The Seed, and sustains itself by forming offshoot organizations when the lawsuits get out of hand.) Perhaps someone could name a few of the current Straight-descendant programs, like Teen Challenge?

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[Anne Bonney]

Even if you don't have any financial connection to the TTI, you sure are a Kool-Aid drinker about it.  Kinda like a cult member that refuses to listen to anything other than what they've been taught.

Again.....what you've posted here shows that you've gone waaaaaayyyyy too far and will go to any lengths to defend programs.  (I'm speaking of LGAT-type programs.  I've never said that there are no teens that need help from time to time.  Of course there are, but the programs we're talking about don't provide help.  They do the opposite.)

and that is okay, Anne.  It all depends on perspective.  The people you hang out with probably think you have a healthy view on the industry.  I see it differently, I feel you view all programs through your filtered experiences you had at straight.

And I've told you repeatedly that I'm not speaking about ALL programs.

[Anne Bonney]

"Program pushers" will go to just about ANY length to invalidate abuse victims...

The #1 rule at STRAIGHT INC. was "Confidentiality."

"What you see here, hear here (sic), and do here remains here."

If you broke this rule and got caught you were "started over."


This illustrates the type of oppressive mentality you are dealing with in regard to programs like STRAIGHT.

STRAIGHT INC is still in business today, but under different names (it began as a spin-off of The Seed, and sustains itself by forming offshoot organizations when the lawsuits get out of hand.) Perhaps someone could name a few of the current Straight-descendant programs, like Teen Challenge?

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[Whooter]

Even if you don't have any financial connection to the TTI, you sure are a Kool-Aid drinker about it.  Kinda like a cult member that refuses to listen to anything other than what they've been taught.

Again.....what you've posted here shows that you've gone waaaaaayyyyy too far and will go to any lengths to defend programs.  (I'm speaking of LGAT-type programs.  I've never said that there are no teens that need help from time to time.  Of course there are, but the programs we're talking about don't provide help.  They do the opposite.)

and that is okay, Anne.  It all depends on perspective.  The people you hang out with probably think you have a healthy view on the industry.  I see it differently, I feel you view all programs through your filtered experiences you had at straight.

And I've told you repeatedly that I'm not speaking about ALL programs.

Of course.  I have told you several times that I only had a daughter placed in a program, but that still doesnt stop you from asking about the multiple sons and daughters.  So we both may have to communicate things to each other more than once to get the other person to understand.



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[Anne Bonney]

Even if you don't have any financial connection to the TTI, you sure are a Kool-Aid drinker about it.  Kinda like a cult member that refuses to listen to anything other than what they've been taught.

Again.....what you've posted here shows that you've gone waaaaaayyyyy too far and will go to any lengths to defend programs.  (I'm speaking of LGAT-type programs.  I've never said that there are no teens that need help from time to time.  Of course there are, but the programs we're talking about don't provide help.  They do the opposite.)

and that is okay, Anne.  It all depends on perspective.  The people you hang out with probably think you have a healthy view on the industry.  I see it differently, I feel you view all programs through your filtered experiences you had at straight.

And I've told you repeatedly that I'm not speaking about ALL programs.

Of course.  I have told you several times that I only had a daughter placed in a program, but that still doesnt stop you from asking about the multiple sons and daughters.

Because you posted that you put a son in a program.