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Re: Name One Good Program
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2010, 06:12:49 PM »
I still maintain that it would be much easier to name the few bad ones.



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Re: Name One Good Program
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2010, 06:16:05 PM »
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I still maintain that it would be much easier to name the few bad ones.



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No... The names of the ones you approve of for 11-16 year olds is what we want... why keep trying to run around the question... OH WAIT ONE MINUTE.... THERE ARE NONE...
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Re: Name One Good Program
« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2010, 07:13:44 PM »
Caron Adolescent Residential Treatment Center



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Re: Name One Good Program
« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2010, 07:20:17 PM »
Montcalm School for Girls



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Fulshear Ranch Academy
« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2010, 10:48:31 PM »
Quote from: "Son Of Serbia"
Quote from: "Joel"
Fulshear Ranch Academy

http://www.fulshearranchacademy.com


I was curious, so I took a quick peek at the website - and I must admit - they definately
seem to have their shit together.

Assuming that everything posted there is true, here are a few things I saw on Fulshear's website that I like:

1.) They are staffed with qualified and licensed therapists/professionals.  Big Plus that
the staff actually have real training & education!

2.) They have a written game plan (forgive me I don't know the techinical term)
with a plausible completion goal, including specific milestones towards acheiving
that final goal.  I like the fact that the majority of the program focuses on helping
the client live on their own outside from the main facility, but still offers whatever
support they might need.  Fulshear seems intent on keeping their clients part of
the outside world during their time there, rather than isolating them from it
(highly unlike most programs I know of).

3.) The clientel are between 18-24 years old, which suggests to me that participatation
in the program is strictly voluntary, and as such the participants can pull themselves out
and leave anytime they want to.  I feel that personal choice is the single greatest factor
of determining whether therapy works or not.  If you don't really want to get better, then
no amount of therapy can help you.  Enrollment in any program should be strictly voluntary
for the participant.

4.) The program seems highly individualized, with each person progressing at their
own pace.  Huge plus!  Everyone is different. Therapy should be individualized to
meet each clients specific needs.

5.) I didn't see any red-flagg buzz-words like "emotional growth", "behavior modifiction", "Raps", "life springs","dianetics", "profeet", "dead/insane/in jail", or
any of the other cult-inspired, money-scamming, bullshit terms posted anywhere.

Again this is all based on my assumption that the website is being truthful; however,
based on what I've read: Fulshear definately seems to be the polar opposite of my own personal program hellhole - Cedu!
You can't be serious. This is an InnerChange program:

    Originally posted on 01 Mar 2009 in the SOLACIUM Holdings LLC thread:
    Quote from: "caringneighbor"
    I have found extensive information about "Solacium Fulshear Ranch" as they now sometimes call themselves. They have several alias's: Fulshear Ranch Academy, I-4 Investment Group, Solacium Fulshear LLC. While they tout themselves as a therapeutic ranch, they don't help these women at all. They instead have them brainwashed! The facility is not fenced, but the girls won't leave because they believe that if they leave they have nowhere to go.

    I wouldn't mind sharing notes and learning any info anyone might have...I have a 3-inch binder full of info on Fulshear Ranch Academy and the "goings'-on" so if you are interested, reply.
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    Re: Fulshear Ranch Academy
    « Reply #51 on: September 23, 2010, 12:01:19 AM »
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    This is an InnerChange program.
    InnerChange was formerly known as Solacium Holdings LLC.

    Incidentally, L. Jay Mitchell, co-founder of SUWS, Alldredge Academy, and Greenbrier Academy among others, used to be part of Solacium for a while.

    As a bit of a non sequitur, John Reuben of STICC would know all about that, given that STICC recently merged with the Alldredge Family Foundation.

    Interestingly enough, fwiw, during one of the rare lulls in Whooter's prodigious output, an alleged Ed Con by the name of "KathyS" (thought by many, at the time, to be yet another of Whooter's sock puppets) posted the following in response to pretty much the same query as is currently being posed, i.e., "name one good program":

      Originally posted on 21 Jan 2009 in the Wow, obama is going to win thread:
      Quote from: "KathyS"
      ...I could never give a full list of schools, but a few that come to mind are:
      Wil Lou Gray
      The Academy
      The family foundation school
      Fulshear ranch academy
      Most of the Aspen schools and wilderness programs
      [/list]

      Coincidentally, again as a bit of a non sequitur, John Reuben has a younger sister by the name of Catherine.
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      Re: Name One Good Program
      « Reply #52 on: September 23, 2010, 11:39:11 AM »
      Psychologically, there is a HUGE difference between a program you have chosen, as an adult, to enter, and a program that your parents or other authority  chose for you against your will, from which there is no escape.
      This is the main reason why, I believe, adult programs can be effective and teen programs generally are not.  Even when they succeed, the kid ends up like Max, no individuality, no mind of their own.
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      Re: Name One Good Program
      « Reply #53 on: September 23, 2010, 11:46:56 AM »
      Quote from: "Shadyacres"
      Psychologically, there is a HUGE difference between a program you have chosen, as an adult, to enter, and a program that your parents or other authority  chose for you against your will, from which there is no escape.
      This is the main reason why, I believe, adult programs can be effective and teen programs generally are not.  Even when they succeed, the kid ends up like Max, no individuality, no mind of their own.

      'Cept there is no real max.
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      Re: Fulshear Ranch Academy
      « Reply #54 on: September 23, 2010, 11:50:05 AM »
      Quote from: "Ursus"
      Quote from: "Ursus"
      This is an InnerChange program.
      InnerChange was formerly known as Solacium Holdings LLC.

      Incidentally, L. Jay Mitchell, co-founder of SUWS, Alldredge Academy, and Greenbrier Academy among others, used to be part of Solacium for a while.

      As a bit of a non sequitur, John Reuben of STICC would know all about that, given that STICC recently merged with the Alldredge Family Foundation.

      Interestingly enough, fwiw, during one of the rare lulls in Whooter's prodigious output, an alleged Ed Con by the name of "KathyS" (thought by many, at the time, to be yet another of Whooter's sock puppets) posted the following in response to pretty much the same query as is currently being posed, i.e., "name one good program":

        Originally posted on 21 Jan 2009 in the Wow, obama is going to win thread:
        Quote from: "KathyS"
        ...I could never give a full list of schools, but a few that come to mind are:
        Wil Lou Gray
        The Academy
        The family foundation school
        Fulshear ranch academy
        Most of the Aspen schools and wilderness programs
        [/list]

        Coincidentally, again as a bit of a non sequitur, John Reuben has a younger sister by the name of Catherine.


        Ver,very interesting Ursus. 2 + 2 = 4 , Reuben = Whooter.  :rocker:
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        Re: Name One Good Program
        « Reply #55 on: September 23, 2010, 01:55:55 PM »
        Quote from: "Shadyacres"
        Psychologically, there is a HUGE difference between a program you have chosen, as an adult, to enter, and a program that your parents or other authority  chose for you against your will, from which there is no escape.
        This is the main reason why, I believe, adult programs can be effective and teen programs generally are not.  Even when they succeed, the kid ends up like Max, no individuality, no mind of their own.


        So you must be aware that the admin of this forum did exactly what you described, entered an adult program of their own choosing and signed themselves in as an adult. It's good to see you have decided for Psy that his programs was effective, and the one's for teens are not. Lucky for us we have people like you who can make that distinction for everyone else. Guess we'll have to find a new admin then, right? Because according to the great wisdom of ShadyAcres, Psy went to an effective program, and all of us who had good experiences in a program as teens must be full of it.

        Talking about no individuality or mind of their own, welcome to fornits. The reason I am so hated here is precisely because I have a mind of my own, and have the ability to come to my own conclusions on my experience in the program. Most posters here mold their own beliefs to fit in with the group, so much for individuality.

        Look. You are probably white, is that right? You also probably come from a relatively well off family, if they could afford to send you to a program. Have you noticed there aren't a lot of kids who were sent to juvenile hall and abused by guards posting here? It seems to be mostly limited to rich white kids, who are in a desperate need of something to blame why their life turned out the way it did. So you can throw a pity party here, and some of the resident victims might even agree with you, and support you in your quest to find something to blame. But in the end of the day, the truth is that you can't let go of your anger because you aren't really angry at the program, or your parents, or society. You are angry at yourself, for getting yourself into a situation that you couldn't handle. Be honest, did you cry yourself to sleep at the program the first night?

        It can feel good to blame other people,and most importantly to label yourself a victim. But you are a product of your own decisions in life, which have led you to fornits which is nothing more than a bunch of spoiled rich kids whining about how they got sent to boarding school, and the truth is nobody cares but the other self absorbed, self described victims that post here. So let's all hold hands, and embrace our group victim status, and hopefully somebody will listen. Have you ever considered writing a letter to your congressman?
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        Re: Fulshear Ranch Academy
        « Reply #56 on: September 23, 2010, 02:10:33 PM »
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Quote from: "Son Of Serbia"
        Quote from: "Joel"
        Fulshear Ranch Academy

        http://www.fulshearranchacademy.com


        I was curious, so I took a quick peek at the website - and I must admit - they definately
        seem to have their shit together.

        Assuming that everything posted there is true, here are a few things I saw on Fulshear's website that I like:

        1.) They are staffed with qualified and licensed therapists/professionals.  Big Plus that
        the staff actually have real training & education!

        2.) They have a written game plan (forgive me I don't know the techinical term)
        with a plausible completion goal, including specific milestones towards acheiving
        that final goal.  I like the fact that the majority of the program focuses on helping
        the client live on their own outside from the main facility, but still offers whatever
        support they might need.  Fulshear seems intent on keeping their clients part of
        the outside world during their time there, rather than isolating them from it
        (highly unlike most programs I know of).

        3.) The clientel are between 18-24 years old, which suggests to me that participatation
        in the program is strictly voluntary, and as such the participants can pull themselves out
        and leave anytime they want to.  I feel that personal choice is the single greatest factor
        of determining whether therapy works or not.  If you don't really want to get better, then
        no amount of therapy can help you.  Enrollment in any program should be strictly voluntary
        for the participant.

        4.) The program seems highly individualized, with each person progressing at their
        own pace.  Huge plus!  Everyone is different. Therapy should be individualized to
        meet each clients specific needs.

        5.) I didn't see any red-flagg buzz-words like "emotional growth", "behavior modifiction", "Raps", "life springs","dianetics", "profeet", "dead/insane/in jail", or
        any of the other cult-inspired, money-scamming, bullshit terms posted anywhere.

        Again this is all based on my assumption that the website is being truthful; however,
        based on what I've read: Fulshear definately seems to be the polar opposite of my own personal program hellhole - Cedu!
        You can't be serious. This is an InnerChange program:

          Originally posted on 01 Mar 2009 in the SOLACIUM Holdings LLC thread:
          Quote from: "caringneighbor"
          I have found extensive information about "Solacium Fulshear Ranch" as they now sometimes call themselves. They have several alias's: Fulshear Ranch Academy, I-4 Investment Group, Solacium Fulshear LLC. While they tout themselves as a therapeutic ranch, they don't help these women at all. They instead have them brainwashed! The facility is not fenced, but the girls won't leave because they believe that if they leave they have nowhere to go.

          I wouldn't mind sharing notes and learning any info anyone might have...I have a 3-inch binder full of info on Fulshear Ranch Academy and the "goings'-on" so if you are interested, reply.
          [/list]



          Like I said in my first email - my earlier comments were based on the assumption that what I read at the Fulshear website was truthful.  I qualified my statement in this way, because the only information I'd seen re: Fulshear came from their website. If the website's information is fabricated, and Fulshear really is a mind-fuck factory in disquise - then obviously I don't support them.   I oppose any facility that brainwashes people.
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          Re: Name One Good Program
          « Reply #57 on: September 23, 2010, 02:29:43 PM »
          Gosh max/suckit you have posted previously that your parents "couldn't afford" this or that, which would seem to indicate that you were not rich. So how did your parents afford to send you to a program? My parents certainly were not wealthy either. So your post describing us all as spoiled rich kids must have been another of those little stories you like to make up. BTW please name the program that you supposedly attended. I know many troubled teens needing help and since you describe your program as a utopian heaven on earth I would like the name and address so i can reccomend its services to everyone. Seems like you would want to do the same thing.
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          Re: Name One Good Program
          « Reply #59 on: September 23, 2010, 03:03:42 PM »
          Quote from: "Joel"
          How do we define good program?  What are the criteria?

          Firstly "do no harm".

          None of them - no not one - can be said to be harmless.
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