Name One Good Program

[Whooter]

How do we define good program?  What are the criteria?

Firstly "do no harm".

None of them - no not one - can be said to be harmless.

We need to loosen up the criteria a little bit.  I dont think there is anyplace that is completely free from harm.  People get hurt at high schools, McDonalds, church etc.



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[Shadyacres]

Psychologically, there is a HUGE difference between a program you have chosen, as an adult, to enter, and a program that your parents or other authority  chose for you against your will, from which there is no escape.
This is the main reason why, I believe, adult programs can be effective and teen programs generally are not.  Even when they succeed, the kid ends up like Max, no individuality, no mind of their own.

So you must be aware that the admin of this forum did exactly what you described, entered an adult program of their own choosing and signed themselves in as an adult. It's good to see you have decided for Psy that his programs was effective, and the one's for teens are not. Lucky for us we have people like you who can make that distinction for everyone else. Guess we'll have to find a new admin then, right? Because according to the great wisdom of ShadyAcres, Psy went to an effective program, and all of us who had good experiences in a program as teens must be full of it.

Max, I said I BELIEVE they CAN be effective, I did not say they ARE effective.  I have been in both, graduating from the adult rehab.  Though I don't consider it effective, it could have been, no program will work until the subject wants it to.

Talking about no individuality or mind of their own, welcome to fornits. The reason I am so hated here is precisely because I have a mind of my own, and have the ability to come to my own conclusions on my experience in the program. Most posters here mold their own beliefs to fit in with the group, so much for individuality.

Look. You are probably white, is that right? You also probably come from a relatively well off family, if they could afford to send you to a program. Have you noticed there aren't a lot of kids who were sent to juvenile hall and abused by guards posting here? It seems to be mostly limited to rich white kids, who are in a desperate need of something to blame why their life turned out the way it did. So you can throw a pity party here, and some of the resident victims might even agree with you, and support you in your quest to find something to blame. But in the end of the day, the truth is that you can't let go of your anger because you aren't really angry at the program, or your parents, or society. You are angry at yourself, for getting yourself into a situation that you couldn't handle. Be honest, did you cry yourself to sleep at the program the first night?

For the record, we had been middle class until the divorce, Mom put the program on Dad's insurance.  I had nothing to do with causing the situation I was in, which you know nothing about.  And I spent my first night at LIFE bruised and bloody and worried that I might have broken my oldcomers foot (he only had one) by stomping on it repeatedly to get him to let go of my belt loop.

It can feel good to blame other people,and most importantly to label yourself a victim. But you are a product of your own decisions in life, which have led you to fornits which is nothing more than a bunch of spoiled rich kids whining about how they got sent to boarding school, and the truth is nobody cares but the other self absorbed, self described victims that post here. So let's all hold hands, and embrace our group victim status, and hopefully somebody will listen. Have you ever considered writing a letter to your congressman?

Wow, did I strike a nerve?

[Oscar]

A good program is a specialized program which deal with participants who apply to be there in person and can opt out without consequences if circumstances speak for it.

[Froderik]

Name One Good Program: All In The Family  

::deadhorse::  :twofinger: :fuckoff:  :poison:

[SEKTO]

A good program is a specialized program which deal with participants who apply to be there in person and can opt out without consequences if circumstances speak for it.

Like Meadow Haven, for instance.  I was in therapy there for a year and it was nothing but a positive experience.

www.meadowhaven.org

[Whooter]

A good program is a specialized program which deal with participants who apply to be there in person and can opt out without consequences if circumstances speak for it.

That would probably be the best scenario, I agree.  But if the child is underage then, by law, they need to get a parents consent to leave.  I cant see a program just allowing a 15 year old kid just say "I am leaving" and then just let them walk off.  That would be very dangerous in my opinion and the program should be held liable if they allowed this to happen.



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[BuzzKill]

How do we define good program?  What are the criteria?

Firstly "do no harm".

None of them - no not one - can be said to be harmless.

We need to loosen up the criteria a little bit.  I dont think there is anyplace that is completely free from harm.  People get hurt at high schools, McDonalds, church etc.



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Let me amend my comment then: Do no Intentional harm. Regarding the Privately owned, for profit teen help industry not one of them qualifies.

They have to inflict harm to break the kid down - and thats what they do.

[DannyB II]

This is an InnerChange program.

InnerChange was formerly known as Solacium Holdings LLC.

Incidentally, L. Jay Mitchell, co-founder of SUWS, Alldredge Academy, and Greenbrier Academy among others, used to be part of Solacium for a while.

As a bit of a non sequitur, John Reuben of STICC would know all about that, given that STICC recently merged with the Alldredge Family Foundation.

Interestingly enough, fwiw, during one of the rare lulls in Whooter's prodigious output, an alleged Ed Con by the name of "KathyS" (thought by many, at the time, to be yet another of Whooter's sock puppets) posted the following in response to pretty much the same query as is currently being posed, i.e., "name one good program":

Originally posted on 21 Jan 2009 in the Wow, obama is going to win thread:

...I could never give a full list of schools, but a few that come to mind are:
Wil Lou Gray
The Academy
The family foundation school
Fulshear ranch academy
Most of the Aspen schools and wilderness programs

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Coincidentally, again as a bit of a non sequitur, John Reuben has a younger sister by the name of Catherine.

WOW, where have I heard this before. OH, coincidentally, again as a bit of a non sequitur, from members here on fornits.
I have a cousin named Catherine and she goes by Catherine, hates Cathy.

[Dr Fucktard]

SIBS!!!

[none-ya]

SIBS!!!

BRIALLIANT!!

[RobertBruce]

We have shown that there are good and bad programs.

The key is to match a childs needs to a program in which he or she will be successful.  Even in the best program if the child digs in his/her heels and doesnt apply themselves then they will be unsuccessful and end up here on forints blaming the program and his/her parents for their lifes outcome and lost opportunities.

There are occasions where the child is mismatched and the program is not effective but this is typically noticed early on and the program recommends that the child leave the program and try a new approach.  The last thing a program wants is to have an unsuccessful child pass through their system.  Public school systems dont mind but programs depend on word of mouth to keep them growing.



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Every word of this posting is utter nonsense. None of it is true.

The key is to match a childs needs to a program in which he or she will be successful.

Completly untrue. Programs only care if you can pay your bill, that's it. Why else would they have the most watered down admittiance criteria, or be willing to have virtually anyone sign off on a childs evaluation?

Even in the best program if the child digs in his/her heels and doesnt apply themselves then they will be unsuccessful and end up here on forints blaming the program and his/her parents for their lifes outcome and lost opportunities.

Are you sure? I was smart enough to avoid the brainwashing at HLA, and I can assure you, I am a much more succesful adult for it. I don't blame anyone for anything, and am genuinely happy with the state of my life. I haven't missed out on anything, and would undobtedly feel I had, had I stayed locked up in that kiddie prison.

There are occasions where the child is mismatched and the program is not effective but this is typically noticed early on and the program recommends that the child leave the program and try a new approach.

Really? Then why do programs offer their unlicensed counselors bonuses for keeping kids for the duration of the program? How many examples can you as an industry insider, cite where a program dismissed a child stating, "He's fine, and doesnt need to be here."?

The last thing a program wants is to have an unsuccessful child pass through their system.  Public school systems dont mind but programs depend on word of mouth to keep them growing.

That would explain why so many programs are shutting down. We can all agree they all start out with the intent of bilking parents and abusing kids. Public schools use standarized testing and teacher ratings to ensure that kids are not passed through. Programs don't allow kids to fail grades, education always comes secondary there. Some of them , like ASR, don't even offer legitimate diplomas.

[Whooter]

Sorry, Bruce, you are trolling again.  Your detail doesnt warrant a response because it is not based on any knowledge and lacks personal experience.  You are a 30 day wonder at best (actually 3 weeks).

I would strongly suggest you stick to the Drama threads.



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[Whooter]

Let me amend my comment then: Do no Intentional harm.

So we would have to find  programs which intentionally harm kids.  We would have to define harm, also, because many here consider anything which is forced on a child as being harmful.
Forced to go to group meeting?  forced to brush their teeth?  Forced to walk for thee miles?  forced to clean their rooms? Forced to go to LGAT meetings? Forced to spend time with their parents when they visit? Forced to eat the food?

I think it would be difficult to come up with a standard definition in-which everyone agrees.



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[RobertBruce]

Sorry, Bruce, you are trolling again.  Your detail doesnt warrant a response because it is not based on any knowledge and lacks personal experience.  You are a 30 day wonder at best (actually 3 weeks).

I would strongly suggest you stick to the Drama threads.



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Whoops sounds like you can't respond to the post at hand. I know it stings John, but I can't allow you to move forward until you accept accountability for your actions. Now, you once again have 24 hours to either back up your claims regarding me, or retract them. If no action is taken I'll find someone else in your life to clue in to your extra ciriculars.

In the mean time I suggest you focus on this topic at hand, and not try to once again derail a thread. A challenge has been forward to you to present a program that's actually does some good and does not harm kids. So far you seem to keep coming up empty. It sounds like we can all now agree there are no good programs, all of them are abusive.

If you wish to discuss the other matter with me you may always PM me, or bring to one of your many threads. I recommend 'John Reuben's Garbage Depot'. I know you hate accountability John, but I'm doing this for your own good. You're going to have to face this. You can wiggle wiggle, but you can't get free.

[RobertBruce]

No studies have ever shown that coercive/forced therapy does any good whatsoever. Given that all of the TTI programs are based on such a philosphy, it would stand to reason none of them do any good.