Think about this-450 kids times $4000.00 a month

[anon]

Observation Place isn't described in any way shape or form; at least in my experience.

It was only mentioned to me when my son got sent there; and the description I was given when I asked what it was, was in no way accurate.

As I've said before - judging from people's reaction on the BBS when I mentioned it, after learning what it is, really; I don't think any of the parents have a clue. There were several adamant denials from parents who had been at the 'schools'that any such thing existed.

It was assumed to be more manipulation by the kids.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-10-07 10:36:00, KarenZ wrote:

"Observation Place isn't described in any way shape or form; at least in my experience.



It was only mentioned to me when my son got sent there; and the description I was given when I asked what it was, was in no way accurate.



As I've said before - judging from people's reaction on the BBS when I mentioned it, after learning what it is, really; I don't think any of the parents have a clue. There were several adamant denials from parents who had been at the 'schools'that any such thing existed.



It was assumed to be more manipulation by the kids.

"

Karen, what I am getting from your statement is that no parent whose kid was in OP believes this was an appropriate form of restraint and seclusion. That says it all and quite frankly, these other parents who believe otherwise should ask themselves WHAT ARE THEY NOT SEEING!!

[MelissaR]

Deb, there is a link to the TB contract on the ISAC document about TB..... you're right, it does not say anything about untrained personnel,but it does release the facility from any liability.


This is the standard WWASP contract, and there are few differences with the others. Pretty much all the contract is about is liability release, so that's why I question the ability of whatever lawsuit that is going on to call WWASP to order. They have released themselves from a lot of things people complain about. Each parent signed it, plain as day, so as far as the abuse allegations go, there is little hope on that. What I'm hoping is WWASP will go down for false advertisement and whatnot.

[Anonymous]

Hell if htey disclosed that htey didn't have qualifed personal or really described OP in the contract, lets hope many of us would have woke up from our desperate state. Many of us THOUGHT we were getting therapy and help, not abuse and fraud.

[Carey]

Dundee's contract is a fairly recent contract written.  EVERY paragraph in it states that the "sponser will hold harmless....the program."  So, when parents signed Dundee's contract they signed it with FULL knowledge of that statement.  And almost every paragraph states that the staff members that were in control of the teens were not trained and not qualified.  Parents who signed that contract were well aware of that fact.

Again, one of the red flags to me was the fact that the entire contract was written to protect the program and NOT the teens!

[Anonymous]

On 2003-10-08 18:55:00, Carey wrote:

"Dundee's contract is a fairly recent contract written.  EVERY paragraph in it states that the "sponser will hold harmless....the program."  So, when parents signed Dundee's contract they signed it with FULL knowledge of that statement.  And almost every paragraph states that the staff members that were in control of the teens were not trained and not qualified.  Parents who signed that contract were well aware of that fact.



Again, one of the red flags to me was the fact that the entire contract was written to protect the program and NOT the teens!"

Let's just hope these parents kids are not so indifferent to RED FLAGS when it's time to commit their parent into an assisted-living-facility that relies upon untrained and unqualified staff.

 :scared:

[Antigen]

I wonder if Joy Margolis is still the spokes lizard for Lutheran Services?

We ought to be grateful that our government monopoly schools are such a failure. If today's 18 year olds could do arithmetic, they'd be out buying enough rope to hang everybody over 40.
--Alan Handleman on Social Security

[Roy]

Many Parents do believe that the end justifies the means - and know exactly what goes on. The problem is that, in a capatalist society, business is sacred, because $ is sacred. And WWASP sounds Cheap. CEDU Brown Schools/ Rocky Mountain Academy, Boulder Creek Acdemy, CEDU High School and Middle School comes at close to $8000 per month.

This problem most be solved politically, Because capatalist democracy really means "goverment of business, by business and for business" under the pretense of goverment by the people of the people and for the people - CEDU and WWASP represent business and money, and they can only be reformed by revolt on the Order and Magnitude of Enron - where legislators have to act or they risk loseing the false confidence of the people. That's why Regulators and Legislators in Idaho Ignore Legitimate complaints by workers, therapists, managers and advocates aimed toward these places.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-10-14 18:21:00, Roy wrote:

"Many Parents do believe that the end justifies the means - and know exactly what goes on. The problem is that, in a capatalist society, business is sacred, because $ is sacred. And WWASP sounds Cheap. CEDU Brown Schools/ Rocky Mountain Academy, Boulder Creek Acdemy, CEDU High School and Middle School comes at close to $8000 per month.



This problem most be solved politically, Because capatalist democracy really means "goverment of business, by business and for business" under the pretense of goverment by the people of the people and for the people - CEDU and WWASP represent business and money, and they can only be reformed by revolt on the Order and Magnitude of Enron - where legislators have to act or they risk loseing the false confidence of the people. That's why Regulators and Legislators in Idaho Ignore Legitimate complaints by workers, therapists, managers and advocates aimed toward these places."

Don't forget to factor in the number of JOBS these organizations provide in predominately small-towns who are surely benefitting from the trickle-down effect.

[Deborah]

And the political donations.

[Jeffery Gottdick?]

Hi Deborah, my name is Jeffery Gottdick? and I invite you to cum over to the elan school forum and chat with us.
I would love to hear your input on our forum and tell us what you think.

[Antigen]

We don't live in a capitalist democracy. We live in a constitutional republic. Rule of law, not of man. That formula once gave us the most astouncing free market and practically unimagined liberty.

In a free society, Synanon based programs wouldn't stand a chance. Given real choice in the market, who would tolerate the pablum pucking daytime talking heads who feed on parents (who, aprently haven't been out of the house for 30 years) fears? There would be no government curfews or government mandated interventions. It would not be a crime just to be 16 and out of your cage. There would be no demand.

Besides that, if ANYone did to any of my kin what these sadistic bastards do to kids every day, under our once vaunted Constitution, back in the day when a fair and speedy trial by a jury of my peers meant something; when they taught the Magna Carta as an important historic epoch; I would be well within my rights to take a baseball bat to the sons of bitches if that's what it took to defend my kid, brother, sister, niece, nephew or other dependent minor from them.

They're not generating good local jobs any more than prisons do. Just ask people who voted in favor of a local prison how wonderfully it's picked up their economy.

There would be no return on investment in public policy if we didn't give juvenile judges the power to arbitrarily sentence kids to these programs without due process. If we had the protection of the afore mentioned jury, instead of being dragged off as criminals for acts of concience, we wouldn't need to try and convince all these politicritters and bureaucrats to act against their own immediate interests as we're doing.

668: The Neighbor of the Beast
--Anonymous Postman