Considering full moderation

[psy]

No addresses period without consent including phone numbers.  You damn well know why.

Unless it's a place of business.  It would be difficult to document the location of programs otherwise.  Sound like a good compromise?

There are staffers where their positions require them to live on program property [and some may live there full time if it's an apartment complex].  Therefor their residence would be at the program.  Hence they should be afforded the same privacy.  Then it would be fair to give the programs main HQ address.

Very true.  I'll draft something tonight taking in these considerations.

[SEKTO]

No disclosure of anybody's personal details, name, contact information, etc. should be disclosed without that individual's  explicit permission.  Violators should be banned without warning.

[DannyB II]

Hahahahahaha... oh fuck, babies and bathwater. You're shitting us, right, Psy? You've got to be shitting us. Please tell me you are shitting us.

No.  I'm not.  Ginger and I made the final decision last night.  I'll be drafting up a new constitution for the forum tonight.  I'll post it publicly for comment, and then ratify it once it meets the group's majority approval.  Outing parents in the way you did before, resulting in a kid being sent to a program, is not going to happen again.  You think parents are likely to listen to anybody on the anti-program side after you out them?  You made us all look like lunatics.  It's unpleasant sometimes but parents ultimately hold the kid's fate in their hands and if it's necessary to hold your tongue and be diplomatic to prevent the kids being sent to programs, it's worth it.  In this one case, Whooter is absolutely right.  You have a good deal of responsibility to bear for Morgan being sent to a program.  Driving off parents for kicks won't be tolerated anymore on this forum.  You weren't even in a program.  What do you care, other than for the drama you feed off of.  As far as I can tell you're pretty much the only person objecting to this.

Bravo, Bravo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Parents,Moms, Dads and kids will come back. Makes my heart sing and I mean this. I have never really got along with grown ups. Love helping children.

[DannyB II]

Fornits has turned into a bunch of bullshit because nobody ever does anything about the trolls and drama whores.

Good point, SEKTO, but the same people who failed to do anything about the trolls before will now also be doing the "moderation" of the forums.  

Fornits has policies in place to deal with the trolls but those policies have been strictly uninforced by the site admin despite many complaints about spamming, flooding, derailing, etc.  Making new policies that won't be properly enforced isn't going to solve the problem.  The problem is lack of enforcement, not lack of policy.

Look at some of the biggest offenders and observe the admin's complete inaction regarding them.  Even after being banned, they are somehow "unbanned" and again turned loose to continue to destroy what this forum once was.

Then I will volunteer to help do the moderating, myself.

And I'll help to strictly enforce the rules and policies, too.  

Somebody being stupid will get a couple of warnings, and if they still want to fool around, then they get banned permanently by IP.  Period.  Very simple.

I can think of a couple of people who I'd ban right right this moment, if it were up to me.

And all the crap, off-topic postings will get deleted immediately, too.

Sekto, your exactly what is wrong with this Site, your sanctimonious statements from the "other" side don't help here at all. It has been kind of nice not to have to hear your righteous arrogance for a while. If everyone would just worry about themselves and what they would like to post, I believe moderation would be simple. It is only when crusaders feel anointed to slay dragons "they" feel are threatening.
Also know this, you may post a topic and set the agenda but if others do not believe in your opinions they will say so or what are they supposed to do, not comment. What kind of debate id this, people not every judgment you have of someone is accurate.

[Samara]

The rules sound great, but why not ban Whooter?The reason is not because of his stance on programs but because he is a saboteur, a gifted one. I think the loss of traffic and the decline of Fornits is partially due to in-fighting and crazy ass personal dynamics. It seems that what used to be confined to the Elan forum - which was all about flamewars - spilled out into other threads.  Then, around 2006, personal info was leaked and administrators lost credibility (sorry, but true). That diminished the site. The lack of anonymity could be a factor, as well. No guest posting.  But I think also, the Who is a derailer. Who wants to visit their favorite threads when the Whooter derails persistently, gleefully, pervasively, repeatedly, tirelessly, enduringly, and deceptively.  This is different than posting your views or just being an asshole.  

When someone asked about Fornits being a support site... it was sad. This place was a community prior to 2006. Now, there are the old loyalists but it's just basically devolved into flamewars and derailed tracks. Maybe me wishing for the old Fornits is like Cheech and Chong nostlagic for '69 but, it would be great if it were more of the community it used to be.

[DannyB II]

I hope I am wrong but this move seems destined to fail if the goal is to increase posters here. Although there is always room for improvement I just dont see whats so broken here. Oftentimes the "petty vendettas" and "sockpuppetry" is quite humorous. Those that might get turned off by it probably would find something else to get offended about anyway. My 2 cents.

I quite enjoy the humorous 'sockpuppets', always have - but the fake program vets & parents are what get to me.

Anne, I do agree with you on this. It is disgusting.

[SEKTO]

Fornits has turned into a bunch of bullshit because nobody ever does anything about the trolls and drama whores.

Good point, SEKTO, but the same people who failed to do anything about the trolls before will now also be doing the "moderation" of the forums.  

Fornits has policies in place to deal with the trolls but those policies have been strictly uninforced by the site admin despite many complaints about spamming, flooding, derailing, etc.  Making new policies that won't be properly enforced isn't going to solve the problem.  The problem is lack of enforcement, not lack of policy.

Look at some of the biggest offenders and observe the admin's complete inaction regarding them.  Even after being banned, they are somehow "unbanned" and again turned loose to continue to destroy what this forum once was.

Then I will volunteer to help do the moderating, myself.

And I'll help to strictly enforce the rules and policies, too.  

Somebody being stupid will get a couple of warnings, and if they still want to fool around, then they get banned permanently by IP.  Period.  Very simple.

I can think of a couple of people who I'd ban right right this moment, if it were up to me.

And all the crap, off-topic postings will get deleted immediately, too.

Sekto, your exactly what is wrong with this Site, your sanctimonious statements from the "other" side don't help here at all. It has been kind of nice not to have to hear your righteous arrogance for a while. If everyone would just worry about themselves and what they would like to post, I believe moderation would be simple. It is only when crusaders feel anointed to slay dragons "they" feel are threatening.
Also know this, you may post a topic and set the agenda but if others do not believe in your opinions they will say so or what are they supposed to do, not comment. What kind of debate id this, people not every judgment you have of someone is accurate.

Please stay on topic and do not personally attack or attempt to intimidate participating members of this message board.

First warning.

[Pile of Dead Kids]

I have never really got along with grown ups. Love helping children.

That's because you're a pedophile.

[SEKTO]

The rules sound great, but why not ban Whooter?The reason is not because of his stance on programs but because he is a saboteur, a gifted one. I think the loss of traffic and the decline of Fornits is partially due to in-fighting and crazy ass personal dynamics. It seems that what used to be confined to the Elan forum - which was all about flamewars - spilled out into other threads.  Then, around 2006, personal info was leaked and administrators lost credibility (sorry, but true). That diminished the site. The lack of anonymity could be a factor, as well. No guest posting.  But I think also, the Who is a derailer. Who wants to visit their favorite threads when the Whooter derails persistently, gleefully, pervasively, repeatedly, tirelessly, enduringly, and deceptively.  This is different than posting your views or just being an asshole.  

When someone asked about Fornits being a support site... it was sad. This place was a community prior to 2006. Now, there are the old loyalists but it's just basically devolved into flamewars and derailed tracks. Maybe me wishing for the old Fornits is like Cheech and Chong nostlagic for '69 but, it would be great if it were more of the community it used to be.

If I'd have known what most of the rest of fornits was really like when I started posting to the DAYTOP forum from Meadow Haven in 2008, then I'd have never gotten involved at all.

[DannyB II]

Hahahahahaha... oh fuck, babies and bathwater. You're shitting us, right, Psy? You've got to be shitting us. Please tell me you are shitting us.

No.  I'm not.  Ginger and I made the final decision last night.  I'll be drafting up a new constitution for the forum tonight.  I'll post it publicly for comment, and then ratify it once it meets the group's majority approval.  Outing parents in the way you did before, resulting in a kid being sent to a program, is not going to happen again.  You think parents are likely to listen to anybody on the anti-program side after you out them?  You made us all look like lunatics.  It's unpleasant sometimes but parents ultimately hold the kid's fate in their hands and if it's necessary to hold your tongue and be diplomatic to prevent the kids being sent to programs, it's worth it.  In this one case, Whooter is absolutely right.  You have a good deal of responsibility to bear for Morgan being sent to a program.  Driving off parents for kicks won't be tolerated anymore on this forum.  You weren't even in a program.  What do you care, other than for the drama you feed off of.  As far as I can tell you're pretty much the only person objecting to this.

I'm glad for moderation. Even its not perfect, it's an improvement.
But it would be a bad move to ban people for "outing" victims and predators. There are clearly some cases where peoples' names have been posted for no good reason, that shouldnt be allowed, but there are other times where people are merely recounting thier time in program and naming thier fellow prisoners, of starting "free so and so" style campains and movements. It's not fair to ask victims or anyone to "keep secrets."  
 
In the morgan case, regarding banning pile, you'd be banning him for what he did on other forums. Is that really you guys' place? Youre going to moderate and punish people for what they do in their private time? Not good.

Speaking of "seeming sane," please don't put up a forum solely dedicated to AA. Reading your (you and Antigen's) thoughts on AA, it's clear you have some "far out" opinions on the matter..and if you put up a forum, that would move your thoughts on AA from your opinion realm to official fornits position-(one that the majority of cult victim/program survivors /fornits goers don;t appear to share.) And how do you think that will make the claims on this forum appear regarding brainwashing and cults? Its also insulting to victims to equate wwasp or CEDU with AA, which is what you'd be doing, kinda, if you set up its own forum. That's hardly fair.
Why not just ask the people who post non stop about AA to contain it to one thread? Maybe in an "opt in" way so that it doesn't appear on the new post list...maybe make all general forums "opt in"

Really, there are only two prolific trolls Suckit and Whooter, just ban them and get it over it. And when they reappear, ban them again. Other moderation will just be iciing on the cake

Evil, that is like saying if you start a forum for "Elan" it means you are validating Elan for everything it represents, this is just not true.
AA, is a big part of the TTI and should get it's own forum not because I want to push an agenda of AA but to clearly "out" AA, so to speak.

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[DannyB II]

Fornits has turned into a bunch of bullshit because nobody ever does anything about the trolls and drama whores.

Good point, SEKTO, but the same people who failed to do anything about the trolls before will now also be doing the "moderation" of the forums.  

Fornits has policies in place to deal with the trolls but those policies have been strictly uninforced by the site admin despite many complaints about spamming, flooding, derailing, etc.  Making new policies that won't be properly enforced isn't going to solve the problem.  The problem is lack of enforcement, not lack of policy.

Look at some of the biggest offenders and observe the admin's complete inaction regarding them.  Even after being banned, they are somehow "unbanned" and again turned loose to continue to destroy what this forum once was.

Then I will volunteer to help do the moderating, myself.

And I'll help to strictly enforce the rules and policies, too.  

Somebody being stupid will get a couple of warnings, and if they still want to fool around, then they get banned permanently by IP.  Period.  Very simple.

I can think of a couple of people who I'd ban right right this moment, if it were up to me.

And all the crap, off-topic postings will get deleted immediately, too.

Sekto, your exactly what is wrong with this Site, your sanctimonious statements from the "other" side don't help here at all. It has been kind of nice not to have to hear your righteous arrogance for a while. If everyone would just worry about themselves and what they would like to post, I believe moderation would be simple. It is only when crusaders feel anointed to slay dragons "they" feel are threatening.
Also know this, you may post a topic and set the agenda but if others do not believe in your opinions they will say so or what are they supposed to do, not comment. What kind of debate id this, people not every judgment you have of someone is accurate.

Please stay on topic and do not personally attack or attempt to intimidate participating members of this message board.

First warning.

What did you just say, who are you talking to, I hope you don't think I will respect this. This is your problem Sekto. I am not on your forum and you will not speak to me this way. This is what I am talking about, I will not honor your warning now or at anytime. If you want me banned and you have Psy and Gingers blessing then do it now, forget the warnings.  
I will not put up with your bullshit at all anywhere on this site, please get this through your head.

You made a comment about trolling and drama and I lumped you in with the bunch, it is exactly what I witnessed from you months ago. I thought it was nice not to hear from you.

[Che Gookin]

AA could go here > viewforum.php?f=59  This would be fine .

No.. put AA way down at the bottom of the forum please. Make Ursus the moderator as well.

[Froderik]

AA could go here > http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=59  This would be fine .

No.. put AA way down at the bottom of the forum please. Make Ursus the moderator as well.

 :tup:  :tup:

[psy]

Please stay on topic and do not personally attack or attempt to intimidate participating members of this message board.

First warning.

Hold up now.  The rules aren't in place yet and i'm not sure who I'll be selecting as moderators.