Affliliations

[Pile of Dead Kids]

Danny's a pawn who can't even move. Excellent analogy.

[DannyB II]

1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3 Bb7 9. e4 b4 10. Na4 c5 11. e5 Nd5 12. dxc5 Bxc5 13. Nxc5 Nxc5 14. Bb5+ Ke7 15. Qd4 Qb6 16. Bc4 Rac8 17. Bg5+ Ke8 18. O-O Ne7 19. Rfd1 Bxf3 20. gxf3 h6 21. Be3 Nf5 22. Qd2 Nxe3 23. Qxe3 Nd7 24. Qxb6 Nxb6 25. Ba6 Rd8 26. Rac1 Rxd1+ 27. Rxd1 Ke7 28. Rd4 Nd5 29. Bb7 a5 30. Bxd5 Rd8 31. Rc4 Rxd5 32. Rc7+ Ke8 33. f4 g5 34. fxg5 hxg5 35. a3 bxa3 36. bxa3 Rxe5 37. Kg2 Rd5 38. h3 Kf8 39. Rc4 Ke7 40. h4 gxh4 41. Rxh4 Kd6 42. Kf1 Kc5 43. Ke2 Rd4 44. Rh7 Re4+ 45. Kd3 Rf4 46. Ke3 e5 47. Rh8 Kb5 48. Rc8 f6 49. Rc3 Rc4 50. Rb3+ Kc5 51. Kd2 Rd4+ 52. Ke2 f5 53. Rb8 Ra4 54. Rc8+ Kd5 55. Rc3 Re4+ 56. Kd2 Rc4 57. Rh3 Rf4 58. Ke2 Kc4 59. Rg3 a4 60. f3 Kb3 61. Rg8 Kxa3 62. Ke3 Rb4 63. Re8 e4 0-1

Descriptions of interactions between people in conversation,… readily take it for granted that the situation is governed by a single set of rules or norms shared by all participants. The analysis focuses then on how those rules produce or fail to produce an orderly, coherent exchange. Models involving games and moves are often used to describe interactions. Despite whatever conflicts or systematic social differences might be in play, it is assumed that all participants are engaged in the same game and that the game is the same for all players. Often it is. But of course it often is not, as, for example, when speakers are from different classes or cultures, or one party is exercising authority and another is submitting to it or questioning it.
When linguistic (or literate) interaction is described in terms of orderliness, games, moves, or scripts, usually only legitimate moves are actually named as part of the system, where legitimacy is defined from the point of view of the party in authority--regardless of what other parties might see themselves as doing.

In short, Dummy BII is playing charades with his clubbed foot in his mouth.

OK, I give up, why have I got a clubbed foot in my mouth while I am playing charades?
Please do elaborate.

Danny I we will make "the game" easier for you.  1. e2  

 


Jeesh, Joel, knows something I don't know, so he is going to get all giddy and maybe spunk all over himself. I do not play chess nor do I understand your alpha/numeric language. Sorry, you will have to find a intellect, to play with.

[Whooter]

In response to the OP:
Danny II is holding his own very well in this anti-program environment.   Like Suck it, I don’t follow the Elan threads and would not be able to contribute much there.  I think I can contribute better in the Aspen and general knowledge threads because that is where my experiences are.  

I think what we have in common is that we really don’t care what people think of us and remain open minded and therefore have the advantage of being able to learn something new each day which keeps our view point fluid and ever changing.  We don’t take disagreement personally.  We are very much unlike the Anne Bonneys of the world who view the entire industry from their lone experience from 40 years ago and remain stuck in the past with no intention of learning from other peoples experiences.  People like Anne for some reason feel threatened by those who were helped by the industry.  (I used Annes name here as an example but it applies to many people, I am not looking to pick a fight with her, and I think we all know her position on programs and think she would agree here that she feels all programs are abusive).

A good example is when Danny mentioned that he learned from someone who had a good experience in a program.  He listened and did the natural thing which was to question why his experience was different and search for answers.  What continues to miff me every day here is why many posters here on fornits reject people who say that programs helped them and try to label these people with Stockholm syndrome or brainwashed….. why do they run pages and pages of posts to try to discredit them because they had a different experience.  Why try to discredit me or SUCK IT because we pose different opinions?

I think this would make a good topic… Why are many people here threatened by those who did well in a program?  Why do they take it so personally?

I actually have to admit that I followed the whole AA argument and the Orange papers rebuttal and I don’t understand why it matters to anyone if a person goes to AA and it works for them.  If they can connect up with others who are struggling with similar issues and it helps them through another day then it is effective…. Who cares if outsiders think it is effective or not.  It works for some people and not for others, no harm no foul.

Bottom Line is there are a few of us who enjoy the freedom of having an open mind and are not tied to an ever failing philosophy that all programs are abusive and every child was a abused or brainwashed.  Unlike many anti program posters we (Suck IT, Danny II etal ) don’t feel the need to rush to each others aid when an argument breaks out.  We don’t do this because we know it is a learning process for us,  not a threat to our being or self esteem.  It must be an awful feeling keeping a closed mind and not being able to learn something new and feeling threatened every time some new information is presented or a study is released.



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[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[none-ya]

Whooter wrote;
"Bottom Line is there are a few of us who enjoy the freedom of having an open mind and are not tied to an ever failing philosophy that all programs are abusive and every child was a abused or brainwashed."

Not all kids are harmed by thier program, but all programs harm somebody. It's like war, not everyone dies. In fact some people flurish,and become heros. But war is still BAD! And it seems the program defenders feel that there are acceptable casualty levels,just like war. I SAY NO! To Whooter,SUCK-IT,and Danny B I ask, how many kids were thrown under the bus for yours and your family's sobriety?  Was it worth it ? Did you even thank them?

[none-ya]

Danny B wrote;
"Not to be disrespectful, None-Ya, but I do not have one at this time.

Silly me. I forgot. when I want a response from you, I have to ask SUCK IT first.

[DannyB II]

Danny B wrote;
"Not to be disrespectful, None-Ya, but I do not have one at this time.

Silly me. I forgot. when I want a response from you, I have to ask SUCK IT first.

None-Ya,
The reason I have been taking my time answering your question is I am troubled by the motive.

[Whooter]

Whooter wrote;
"Bottom Line is there are a few of us who enjoy the freedom of having an open mind and are not tied to an ever failing philosophy that all programs are abusive and every child was a abused or brainwashed."

Not all kids are harmed by thier program, but all programs harm somebody. It's like war, not everyone dies. In fact some people flurish,and become heros. But war is still BAD! And it seems the program defenders feel that there are acceptable casualty levels,just like war. I SAY NO! To Whooter,SUCK-IT,and Danny B I ask, how many kids were thrown under the bus for yours and your family's sobriety?  Was it worth it ? Did you even thank them?

So whats the answer, none-ya?  Should we shut all the public schools down because they hurt some kids?  Shut down the car companies because of defective accelerators?   Kill off all the chickens because of the salmonella they spread?  Shut down the daycare systems and nursing homes?  I dont think anyone should get hurt.  Even one child getting hurt is unacceptable, but giving up isnt the answer either.

Like I said, some people are short sighted and closed minded.  We need to look at the whole picture not just the one kid that gets hurt.  Kids are going to continue to get hurt but we cant just give up hope.  We need to keep pushing forward, improving the system and working towards helping them all.. not shutting them down.  



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[none-ya]

Danny B wrote;
"Not to be disrespectful, None-Ya, but I do not have one at this time.

Silly me. I forgot. when I want a response from you, I have to ask SUCK IT first.

None-Ya,
The reason I have been taking my time answering your question is I am troubled by the motive.

?? Just ask!

[none-ya]

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by none-ya » 21 Aug 2010, 21:02

All of the following quotes are from Danny B

"I will say this, if you're looking for my responses to be more in line with Suck-IT or Whooters that is not going to happen"

True, your styles my be a little different, but when you get down to to crux of the buiscut, you pretty much walk lock-step with each other. Right down the same little grammatical and spelling mistakes.


"Suck -it went to a WAASP program that helped him, as he has said."

Please cite where (he/she) ever said what program (he/she) went to.


"I, personally will continue to support everyone and anyone who has an opinion, I can respect."

And if you don't respect (my/our) opinion?


"Suck-It comes to fornits with a experience he believes"


(He /she) has never even copped to it's own gender


"Members here are very confusing to watch (read), your thoughts sway with the wind. Which ever way it blows."


Maybe in Che's case. I know who suck it is but I ain't tellin' (paraphrese)


"I really don't expect anything from fornits at this point but a rational expressive conversation"


With yourself? tell me why anytime I've posed a question or a statement towards SUCK-IT, it is met with a swift defensive response from you? One might think it would get to the point where he would step in and ask to fight his own battles.
Unless he already is.


I'm still waiting

[DannyB II]

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by none-ya » 21 Aug 2010, 21:02

All of the following quotes are from Danny B

"I will say this, if you're looking for my responses to be more in line with Suck-IT or Whooters that is not going to happen"

True, your styles my be a little different, but when you get down to to crux of the buiscut, you pretty much walk lock-step with each other. Right down the same little grammatical and spelling mistakes.


"Suck -it went to a WAASP program that helped him, as he has said."

Please cite where (he/she) ever said what program (he/she) went to.


"I, personally will continue to support everyone and anyone who has an opinion, I can respect."

And if you don't respect (my/our) opinion?


"Suck-It comes to fornits with a experience he believes"


(He /she) has never even copped to it's own gender


"Members here are very confusing to watch (read), your thoughts sway with the wind. Which ever way it blows."


Maybe in Che's case. I know who suck it is but I ain't tellin' (paraphrese)


"I really don't expect anything from fornits at this point but a rational expressive conversation"


With yourself? tell me why anytime I've posed a question or a statement towards SUCK-IT, it is met with a swift defensive response from you? One might think it would get to the point where he would step in and ask to fight his own battles.
Unless he already is.


I'm still waiting

OK!!!!! There are 3 frogs on a log, they have made a decision. How many frogs are still on the log?

[none-ya]

If the three of you are Whooter, suck-max and yourself, that only ='s one in total.

[DannyB II]

If the three of you are Whooter, suck-max and yourself, that only ='s one in total.

Answer the question, Sherlock.....

[none-ya]

It's not 3 unless there are 3 different frogs.

[DannyB II]

It's not 3 unless there are 3 different frogs.

One more time, answer the question.