Affliliations

[DannyB II]

Affiliations.
Che made a comment that Suck-It and Whooter are ignoring me. Well, I have not felt that and I never thought it was important that they listened to me or not. I have supported their opinions but then again, Che, I have supported yours also. I try to be fair when listening to others, take what they have to say under consideration.
 
I will say this, if you're looking for my responses to be more in line with Suck-IT or Whooters that is not going to happen, I am much more aggressive and animated. My language is definitely more colorful. I am not them nor want to be. Do I have similar experiences as Whooter or Suck-It, very little. Whooter had a child go to treatment, which helped her tremendously and Suck -it went to a WAASP program that helped him, as he has said.
I, on the other hand,  went to a program you all know, "Elan" that did absolutely nothing to help me. I am very clear about this and have said so unequivocally.
 
I believe Whooter, Suck-It and myself do merge through an ability to see all programs were not like, Elan.
 
I found this out shortly after I left Elan and ran into an old friend in the service over seas.  He had gone to another program for about the same amount of time that I went to Elan. The very first thing I noticed about him was his conformability, he was comfortable being back in life.  We talked about where we had gone, both of us had been in a lot of trouble, been institutionalized and were sent to programs, I told him of my horrible experience at Elan. He told me he was sorry for me, that he ended up going to a program which helped him a great deal. It showed in his presence and how  he spoke about the program.  He said the program had helped him to see the error of his ways, why drugs were never going to help, managing his anger, learning to deal with the pain he felt from a childhood of abuse, setting goals and accomplishing them and building a future of success.  I remember walking away hurt, I wanted what he had. Shortly after that meeting I sobered up and began, in earnest, with much help from professionals to help myself.
 
During my early sobriety, I stayed in contact with this gentleman, I now call him one of my best friends. He works for a program that is everything I have mentioned here above.  NO, I will not identify this program. I will say this it is nothing like what I have read about here on fornits.

This inspired me to get more involved with kids, that are going through what I went through and make sure they get the best help they can get. I can only help a few at a time because of my profession, I do what I can.  
There are good programs out there, they don't market or advertise. They do not have to, they are small population entities, which are very serious about their care for children.

I find it very suspicious that no one here knows of such programs and would argue of their success with kids.

I have been around almost a year and the programs I have read about are awful. So I do not have a problem with (fornits) members actions, but I also know first hand there are good places for kids that need help.
 
Now Che, if your saying that Whooter and Suck-It are ignoring me because I have views such as these, well OK. I would think that you would be mistaken but who knows here on fornits.
 
Difference between Che and myself, I don't have to like you (personally) to support you. Though I will say I do have to respect you. Which, for some reason, Che, you seem to want to test consistently.

I, personally will continue to support everyone and anyone who has an opinion, I can respect.
 
Suck-It and Whooter have spoken about the victimization they have suffered, I don't believe anyone could altercate this.
I have received my share but there is a difference here, how I react to it and how they have reacted. Just because my reactions have been outlandish this should not cover up the fact that I have been abused for my past affiliations and recent views. Example; Accusing me of dragging a child around by rope from behind a vehicle.
Many would say well, Danny, you have caused this. That would be a fact (no excuses) bad behavior begets bad behavior. I have curbed this demeanour by staying away from people here on fornits that would love to draw me into their reckless reactions. I have had a learning curve, no doubt. We all learn from mistakes or we suffer the consequences.

Changing the subject.

Stop for a second and think about this. Suck-It comes to fornits with a experience he believes, In fornits opinion he is suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome", so instead of going easy on him and trying to bring him around slowly. NO, y'all start a campaign to demolish him, totally debase him.
So we have another circumstance such as Morgan, opportunity to help or at the very least learn something but fuck no, lets kill what we fear or don't understand.
Ken Huey came on this site, great opportunity to learn something, ya know glean information about programs. We don't have to like him or respect him, he was a means to justify a end. NO!!!!!! We could not muster the vision (CHE) to see  what was right in front of us.Members here are very confusing to watch (read), your thoughts sway with the wind. Which ever way it blows.

So many member of fornits have said I have been helped here, my life was complete once I found this place. I am sure this has been true. I have just not seen this. Almost like my experience with my program, everyone else I know had a great experience with there program, I did not. Hey, don't go there. I am not complaining, I really don't expect anything from fornits at this point but a rational expressive conversation, maybe.

I did learn something from a good friend that there are venues that can help kids who need help, same as I will learn from fornits that there are programs still hurting children. I just hope fornits will learn their opinion is not the end all.

My thoughts.

danny

[Pile of Dead Kids]

tl;dr

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[none-ya]

1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3 Bb7 9. e4 b4 10. Na4 c5 11. e5 Nd5 12. dxc5 Bxc5 13. Nxc5 Nxc5 14. Bb5+ Ke7 15. Qd4 Qb6 16. Bc4 Rac8 17. Bg5+ Ke8 18. O-O Ne7 19. Rfd1 Bxf3 20. gxf3 h6 21. Be3 Nf5 22. Qd2 Nxe3 23. Qxe3 Nd7 24. Qxb6 Nxb6 25. Ba6 Rd8 26. Rac1 Rxd1+ 27. Rxd1 Ke7 28. Rd4 Nd5 29. Bb7 a5 30. Bxd5 Rd8 31. Rc4 Rxd5 32. Rc7+ Ke8 33. f4 g5 34. fxg5 hxg5 35. a3 bxa3 36. bxa3 Rxe5 37. Kg2 Rd5 38. h3 Kf8 39. Rc4 Ke7 40. h4 gxh4 41. Rxh4 Kd6 42. Kf1 Kc5 43. Ke2 Rd4 44. Rh7 Re4+ 45. Kd3 Rf4 46. Ke3 e5 47. Rh8 Kb5 48. Rc8 f6 49. Rc3 Rc4 50. Rb3+ Kc5 51. Kd2 Rd4+ 52. Ke2 f5 53. Rb8 Ra4 54. Rc8+ Kd5 55. Rc3 Re4+ 56. Kd2 Rc4 57. Rh3 Rf4 58. Ke2 Kc4 59. Rg3 a4 60. f3 Kb3 61. Rg8 Kxa3 62. Ke3 Rb4 63. Re8 e4 0-1

BINGO!

[DannyB II]

1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3 Bb7 9. e4 b4 10. Na4 c5 11. e5 Nd5 12. dxc5 Bxc5 13. Nxc5 Nxc5 14. Bb5+ Ke7 15. Qd4 Qb6 16. Bc4 Rac8 17. Bg5+ Ke8 18. O-O Ne7 19. Rfd1 Bxf3 20. gxf3 h6 21. Be3 Nf5 22. Qd2 Nxe3 23. Qxe3 Nd7 24. Qxb6 Nxb6 25. Ba6 Rd8 26. Rac1 Rxd1+ 27. Rxd1 Ke7 28. Rd4 Nd5 29. Bb7 a5 30. Bxd5 Rd8 31. Rc4 Rxd5 32. Rc7+ Ke8 33. f4 g5 34. fxg5 hxg5 35. a3 bxa3 36. bxa3 Rxe5 37. Kg2 Rd5 38. h3 Kf8 39. Rc4 Ke7 40. h4 gxh4 41. Rxh4 Kd6 42. Kf1 Kc5 43. Ke2 Rd4 44. Rh7 Re4+ 45. Kd3 Rf4 46. Ke3 e5 47. Rh8 Kb5 48. Rc8 f6 49. Rc3 Rc4 50. Rb3+ Kc5 51. Kd2 Rd4+ 52. Ke2 f5 53. Rb8 Ra4 54. Rc8+ Kd5 55. Rc3 Re4+ 56. Kd2 Rc4 57. Rh3 Rf4 58. Ke2 Kc4 59. Rg3 a4 60. f3 Kb3 61. Rg8 Kxa3 62. Ke3 Rb4 63. Re8 e4 0-1

Yep life is like a game of chess, a wonderful analogy. So long as you can get up from the table and walk away, after you have been killed. AAAAaaahhhh yes, I live to fight another day.
Joel, it must be nice to be as young and flexible as you are, just bouncing through life without a care. Saying whatever you want, not caring, having no priorities. I would guess you are not responsible for anyone directly, it shows.
We can't wait until Joel assumes more responsibility, ie; someone's life (child). Hopefully there will be some depth to your comments at that point, you will not see the need to be so flippant.
Joel this thread is a very important testament, of how I view things here, I was sharing a part of me. I would hope if anyone, you could grasp what I am trying to get across. It is not a priority, though.
 
Sorry I had some hard words for your brother, where you felt you had to run to his defense. He can take care of himself.

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[none-ya]

All of the following quotes are from Danny B

"I will say this, if you're looking for my responses to be more in line with Suck-IT or Whooters that is not going to happen"

True, your styles my be a little different, but when you get down to to crux of the buiscut, you pretty much walk lock-step with each other. Right down the same little grammatical and spelling mistakes.

"Suck -it went to a WAASP program that helped him, as he has said."

Please cite where (he/she) ever said what program (he/she) went to.

"I, personally will continue to support everyone and anyone who has an opinion, I can respect."

And if you don't respect (my/our) opinion?

"Suck-It comes to fornits with a experience he believes"

(He /she) has never even copped to it's own gender

"Members here are very confusing to watch (read), your thoughts sway with the wind. Which ever way it blows."

Maybe in Che's case. I know who suck it is but I ain't tellin' (paraphrese)

"I really don't expect anything from fornits at this point but a rational expressive conversation"

With yourself?  tell me why anytime I've posed a question or a statement towards SUCK-IT, it is met with a swift defensive response from you? One might think it would get to the point  where he would step in and ask to fight his own battles.
Unless he already is.

[quest]

1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3 Bb7 9. e4 b4 10. Na4 c5 11. e5 Nd5 12. dxc5 Bxc5 13. Nxc5 Nxc5 14. Bb5+ Ke7 15. Qd4 Qb6 16. Bc4 Rac8 17. Bg5+ Ke8 18. O-O Ne7 19. Rfd1 Bxf3 20. gxf3 h6 21. Be3 Nf5 22. Qd2 Nxe3 23. Qxe3 Nd7 24. Qxb6 Nxb6 25. Ba6 Rd8 26. Rac1 Rxd1+ 27. Rxd1 Ke7 28. Rd4 Nd5 29. Bb7 a5 30. Bxd5 Rd8 31. Rc4 Rxd5 32. Rc7+ Ke8 33. f4 g5 34. fxg5 hxg5 35. a3 bxa3 36. bxa3 Rxe5 37. Kg2 Rd5 38. h3 Kf8 39. Rc4 Ke7 40. h4 gxh4 41. Rxh4 Kd6 42. Kf1 Kc5 43. Ke2 Rd4 44. Rh7 Re4+ 45. Kd3 Rf4 46. Ke3 e5 47. Rh8 Kb5 48. Rc8 f6 49. Rc3 Rc4 50. Rb3+ Kc5 51. Kd2 Rd4+ 52. Ke2 f5 53. Rb8 Ra4 54. Rc8+ Kd5 55. Rc3 Re4+ 56. Kd2 Rc4 57. Rh3 Rf4 58. Ke2 Kc4 59. Rg3 a4 60. f3 Kb3 61. Rg8 Kxa3 62. Ke3 Rb4 63. Re8 e4 0-1

Descriptions of interactions between people in conversation,… readily take it for granted that the situation is governed by a single set of rules or norms shared by all participants. The analysis focuses then on how those rules produce or fail to produce an orderly, coherent exchange. Models involving games and moves are often used to describe interactions. Despite whatever conflicts or systematic social differences might be in play, it is assumed that all participants are engaged in the same game and that the game is the same for all players. Often it is. But of course it often is not, as, for example, when speakers are from different classes or cultures, or one party is exercising authority and another is submitting to it or questioning it.
When linguistic (or literate) interaction is described in terms of orderliness, games, moves, or scripts, usually only legitimate moves are actually named as part of the system, where legitimacy is defined from the point of view of the party in authority--regardless of what other parties might see themselves as doing.

In short, Dummy BII is playing charades with his clubbed foot in his mouth.

[DannyB II]

1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3 Bb7 9. e4 b4 10. Na4 c5 11. e5 Nd5 12. dxc5 Bxc5 13. Nxc5 Nxc5 14. Bb5+ Ke7 15. Qd4 Qb6 16. Bc4 Rac8 17. Bg5+ Ke8 18. O-O Ne7 19. Rfd1 Bxf3 20. gxf3 h6 21. Be3 Nf5 22. Qd2 Nxe3 23. Qxe3 Nd7 24. Qxb6 Nxb6 25. Ba6 Rd8 26. Rac1 Rxd1+ 27. Rxd1 Ke7 28. Rd4 Nd5 29. Bb7 a5 30. Bxd5 Rd8 31. Rc4 Rxd5 32. Rc7+ Ke8 33. f4 g5 34. fxg5 hxg5 35. a3 bxa3 36. bxa3 Rxe5 37. Kg2 Rd5 38. h3 Kf8 39. Rc4 Ke7 40. h4 gxh4 41. Rxh4 Kd6 42. Kf1 Kc5 43. Ke2 Rd4 44. Rh7 Re4+ 45. Kd3 Rf4 46. Ke3 e5 47. Rh8 Kb5 48. Rc8 f6 49. Rc3 Rc4 50. Rb3+ Kc5 51. Kd2 Rd4+ 52. Ke2 f5 53. Rb8 Ra4 54. Rc8+ Kd5 55. Rc3 Re4+ 56. Kd2 Rc4 57. Rh3 Rf4 58. Ke2 Kc4 59. Rg3 a4 60. f3 Kb3 61. Rg8 Kxa3 62. Ke3 Rb4 63. Re8 e4 0-1

Descriptions of interactions between people in conversation,… readily take it for granted that the situation is governed by a single set of rules or norms shared by all participants. The analysis focuses then on how those rules produce or fail to produce an orderly, coherent exchange. Models involving games and moves are often used to describe interactions. Despite whatever conflicts or systematic social differences might be in play, it is assumed that all participants are engaged in the same game and that the game is the same for all players. Often it is. But of course it often is not, as, for example, when speakers are from different classes or cultures, or one party is exercising authority and another is submitting to it or questioning it.
When linguistic (or literate) interaction is described in terms of orderliness, games, moves, or scripts, usually only legitimate moves are actually named as part of the system, where legitimacy is defined from the point of view of the party in authority--regardless of what other parties might see themselves as doing.

In short, Dummy BII is playing charades with his clubbed foot in his mouth.

OK, I give up, why have I got a clubbed foot in my mouth while I am playing charades?
Please do elaborate.

[none-ya]

All of the following quotes are from Danny B

"I will say this, if you're looking for my responses to be more in line with Suck-IT or Whooters that is not going to happen"

True, your styles my be a little different, but when you get down to to crux of the buiscut, you pretty much walk lock-step with each other. Right down the same little grammatical and spelling mistakes.

"Suck -it went to a WAASP program that helped him, as he has said."

Please cite where (he/she) ever said what program (he/she) went to.

"I, personally will continue to support everyone and anyone who has an opinion, I can respect."

And if you don't respect (my/our) opinion?

"Suck-It comes to fornits with a experience he believes"

(He /she) has never even copped to it's own gender

"Members here are very confusing to watch (read), your thoughts sway with the wind. Which ever way it blows."

Maybe in Che's case. I know who suck it is but I ain't tellin' (paraphrese)

"I really don't expect anything from fornits at this point but a rational expressive conversation"

With yourself?  tell me why anytime I've posed a question or a statement towards SUCK-IT, it is met with a swift defensive response from you? One might think it would get to the point  where he would step in and ask to fight his own battles.
Unless he already is.

[none-ya]

What, no reply??

[DannyB II]

What, no reply??

   Not to be disrespectful, None-Ya, but I do not have one at this time.

[SUCK IT]

Now Che, if your saying that Whooter and Suck-It are ignoring me because I have views such as these, well OK. I would think that you would be mistaken but who knows here on fornits.

I only ignore people who are aggressive/rude to me. To be honest I don't pay much attention to the elan threads, or the drama associated with all of that, I don't even know what it's about or what people are arguing about it. So as much as that is concerned, I do tend to ignore it because I didn't go to elan and don't know the people involved and so don't pay much attention to it. I appreciate everybody's posts on this forum, some people agree with me sometimes and others don't. I'm here just to share my opinions and people are free to disagree or agree if they want. I tend to pay more attention to posters who are able to acknowledge that this issue is not black or white, and that there is room for different outcomes and experiences from programs. It's hard to have a conversation with an anti treatment extremist because they don't want to hear your side, they just want to preach  about what they view as the one and only truth. I agree with Danny about AA, in that he seems to not think it's evil and I think its actually a great organization that helps millions of people.

As far as people demanding information from me, and questioning my credibility as a result of my lack of answering questions, well tough shit. I will say what I want to say, and if that makes people question whether I am fiction, or lying or whatever that's their right. I am not too concerned with how I am perceived here, I am here to talk about my experiences and opinions and people are free to believe it or disregard it completely. I am not getting involved in the politics and personal battles here because I see it as a waste of time. I am not here trying to sway anybody's opinions or mind, I am just offering my own in the same way I would if I was in a bar having a drink and somebody asked me about being in treatment and what I thought about it. I really could care less what people think of me here, my username should be a hint at that.

As far as affiliations go on fornits, I think right now it's either you are "in" with the group think cult, or you are on the "out". If you are on the "in" you can be quickly shown the door if you say the wrong thing. So to be honest, I am much more comfortable being on the "out" where I can tell my truth as I see it, and not worry what people will think of me for saying it. I think whooter, danny and me are on the "out" because of our opinions and refusal to accept the group think here that people desperate to fit in will spout without giving any real thought to what they are saying. Honesty on fornits means you will not be popular.

[RobertBruce]

As far as affiliations go on fornits, I think right now it's either you are "in" with the group think cult, or you are on the "out". If you are on the "in" you can be quickly shown the door if you say the wrong thing. So to be honest, I am much more comfortable being on the "out" where I can tell my truth as I see it, and not worry what people will think of me for saying it. I think whooter, danny and me are on the "out" because of our opinions and refusal to accept the group think here that people desperate to fit in will spout without giving any real thought to what they are saying. Honesty on fornits means you will not be popular.

Can you cite an example of this?

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010