High Impact

[anon]

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[anon]

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[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 14:09 ]

[Anonymous]

I agree with Karen....
For those of you that really won't wake up and realize what kind of hands your children are in, get a tape of Tuesday's Inside Edition.  Take a close look at the kids in the dog cages.  Is this OK with you?  Were your teens that bad that they deserve this?

I personally saw the building at Dundee that Narvin was getting ready to open.  It was ready over a year ago.  They were starting to threaten children in the other WWASP schools that another High Impact was open.  They even asked the parents at Dundee to write a letter of committment to their child saying that they supported any decision by staff to send their child to this camp.  No child deserves to be behind those walls.  Pressure from the press in Costa Rica postponed the opening of this facility.  Thank you Tim Rodgers!  Narvin put money in this facility first, when it could have been used to improve Dundee.  All he sees is $$$$$$ signs, not what is best for our children.

[Anonymous]

Curious what the buzz is on the BBS about the Inside Edition show and how current families are reacting ... anybody know?

[Anonymous]

Check out the phone number for this program, it appears to be the same number for Parent Resources listed below.  Is this program still operating?  

http://wildernessprogramsetc.com/

[Anonymous]

On 2003-09-25 09:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I agree with Karen....

For those of you that really won't wake up and realize what kind of hands your children are in, get a tape of Tuesday's Inside Edition.  Take a close look at the kids in the dog cages.  Is this OK with you?  Were your teens that bad that they deserve this?



I personally saw the building at Dundee that Narvin was getting ready to open.  It was ready over a year ago.  They were starting to threaten children in the other WWASP schools that another High Impact was open.  They even asked the parents at Dundee to write a letter of committment to their child saying that they supported any decision by staff to send their child to this camp.  No child deserves to be behind those walls.  Pressure from the press in Costa Rica postponed the opening of this facility.  Thank you Tim Rodgers!  Narvin put money in this facility first, when it could have been used to improve Dundee.  All he sees is $$$$$$ signs, not what is best for our children."

Actually, I think the real heroes are Su Flowers and Carey Bock.  The 2 moms who wanted their kids out of Dundee and fought to bring them home.  I didn't get to see the program so I don't know if these 2 women were interviewed, but since no one has mentioned them, it doesn't sound like it.

[Anonymous]

There are no heros.  Yes, Su and Carey did what they could.  There were also many other parents and students that have worked many hours talking with press and making things happen.  It was the effort of many that closed Dundee and now these efforts are being redirected to finish exposing WWASP.

Inside Edition interviewed many over the past few months.  It doesn't matter if they didn't interview Carey or Su.  They have been interviewed before.  

There are parents and students stepping up daily that want to be heard.

[Carey]

There are parents and students stepping up daily that want to be heard.

Really, I hope they don't post Anon, like yourself.  Su and I took action.  Real action. Action that brought attention to Dundee.  We would not be ignored and brushed aside, not by people like you or anyone else. We took action in which there was risk.  That action has left us open to public scrutinty.  That is where we differ. We were and are not afraid of the truth, but then, we tell only the truth. You Anon, you must be one of the others.  One who can't tell your name or won't tell your name because you are afraid to stand up for what you believe in (or maybe you just can't or won't because there is risk invovled).  That is sad.  What do you have to hide, who knows?  

I am glad there are other parents of Dundee now seeing the reality of the "program."  I am glad they are coming forward and are willing to talk.  I don't think I am a hero either.  I think I am a mom.  I am a mom who will and would fight like a dog to protect my children.

[Anonymous]

I think I am a mom. I am a mom who will and would fight like a dog to protect my children.


"fight like a dog to protect my children"

well, is that what you did when you shipped them to their dad to handle. that isnt fighting; that is giving up. neither here nor there. you are right, you are not a hero, you had 15 minutes of fame, if that, and have had a chip on your shoulder ever since. according to the paper you went into dundee to make headlines, or you woudnt have contacted the press, and shot blame to all of the parents that were dumb enough to fall for wwasps slick marketing.  now su flowers is possible a hero, she had nothing, not a penny and fought a fight. carey went in for headlines. obvious. i dont want to start a carey bashing but stop pointing fingers carey when you have no clue what it is like to be a person really taken by wwasps. dundee closing was the forces of many people, and i mean many. just like the rest will fall eventually from a huge effort of truths. truths that will be told.

[Anonymous]

sorry that i didnt stay on subject.

if there are any high impact former parents where did you sent your payments to? i heard it was r&b billing; same place for all the other ww programs. sure now they will say they hire dthe same billing company that seems to be all tied in together. conincidental? sp.

[Anonymous]

How long can WWASP get away with opening up a program, profiting off that program, and then bailing when it gets to hot?

Whats the count 8?

[Anonymous]

1- Morava in the Czech Republic
2- Sunrise Beach (there is a girl named Loah that posted on voy regarding the real story)
3- Paradise Cove in Samoa -
4- Dundee Ranch in Costa Rica - reopening?

What are the others? To my knowledge none of them closed due to abuse, abuse was an excuse.  I know what the newspapers alleged, but is that true? Why were there never any charges filed or won?  Carey? Karen?

Why do the kids that were at Dundee say they had a library, but Ashley on Inside Edition say they had no books? Carey?

I read somewhere that the parents paid the wwasps billing department for High Impact as their child was still enrolled at the wwasps school, taking time out at HI and being returned, so the tuition was paid by wwasps to Hi Impact during that time...not a big accountant type, so not sure if that makes sense.  

I don't see anywhere that High Impact was marketed or overseen by wwasps itself or any of their marketing companies other than Parent Resources.

[Anonymous]

well, is that what you did when you shipped them to their dad to handle. that isnt fighting; that is giving up. neither here nor there. you are right, you are not a hero,

So does this mean that when parents divorce and the kids go to live with one of their parents, the other parent "has shipped them off to the other to handle?"  I don't quite think so.  I did not give up, never have, never did, never will.

Now, on the other hand, that must be what you did.  Except instead of sending them off to live with the other loving parent, you sent your child to live with abusers.   Boy you must hurt deep down inside.  If I were you and I had sent my child to live with those who abused him I too would be pretty mad.  The only difference is that I would be mad at myself and not others.

[Carey]

The above post is mine.