We are aware of your post, Ursus. But we were not discussing yours. We were discussing a session called “The truth” which posted below. You brought in other posts on top of it. So looking at the original post:
Academy administrators told Lieberman it was true that students were denied sleep for 19 or 20 hours during the first Life Step session, called "The Truth." Staff and students might stay up all night, then break for a nap between 5 and 7 a.m., then continue the session until 2 the next afternoon, the administrators said. One administrator also acknowledged using profanity toward the students during communications sessions, and added, "Some days I have said things to students that I wish I did not say."
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Maruska responded with:
OMG...19 or 20 hours without sleep??
THAT is abuse. End of story..
I do not think the police can use such a tactic here with criminals...and we are speaking about children!
This was the original argument. I just don’t see this as abusive. Most kids stay up much later than this on weekends.
If you want to change the argument and add things to it then that’s fine we can talk about it. But keeping the kids up till 5 am is not abusive and I think we have established this.
If you actually read
my post, you would understand that I was discussing
your post, as well as
the post you linked to, which had been Joel's. I, in fact, quoted Joel's entire post, which includes the quote from the article mentioning the Life Step session called "The Truth." You simply
duplicated that above, even while claiming I was discussing something else.
The Life Step sessions, which are a form of long drawn out psychodrama utilizing attack therapy, were originally adopted from seminar methods obtained from
Mount Bachelor Academy when personnel from the latter originally helped found ASR. I'm sure
Academy at Swift River tweaked things a little here and there to create something that worked better for them, but the basic concept and methodology was still the same.
People have claimed that they were abusive. You have claimed that they were not.
Mount Bachelor Academy recently closed rather contest charges of abuse brought by Oregon's Department of Human Services.
Academy at Swift River has also been cited for several infractions, which included monitoring students' telephone calls and mail as well as
"using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial of sufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."If you are now averring that "the original argument" focused solely on three sentences by Maruska, namely "OMG...19 or 20 hours without sleep?? THAT is abuse. End of story..," and
ignored the entirety of what Life Step seminars are comprised of (despite having several times referred to the post and argument as discussing same), then I would say you are flailing about with some pretty petty semantic games. Go get some sleep.
