INSIDE EDITION

[Anonymous]

Rumor has it GOVERNMENT IS FINALLY GETTING INVOLVED. It is about time! This is hurting again, but Carey is right, too bad you couldnt stick to the subject under this thread. Inside Edition did a good job of statnig the truth and the TX family is sincere and sadly true. Atleast I believed it.

[Deborah]

*** Does anyone know if the troubled teens, in not only WWASPS, but all the behavior change programs, have ever written to their parents talking about how abused they were just to come home and it was a lie?

You're kidding right? You're either new to the industry or baiting?

Consistent throughout the industry is the same MO for ensuring that the parents don't hear about abuse.

First, there are no phone calls for months while they are busy convincing the teen that their parents don't give a shit about them and conditioning them to fear consequences for "being out of agreement" (or whatever their particular term might be). Out of agreement would be reporting anything negative about the facility to their parent, or even uttering a complaint to a peer.

The teen has no access to a public phone, all calls are monitored. Any negative comment made after calls are finally allowed, is labeled manipulation. The call is immediately terminated and the teen is consequenced. While they have been brainwashing the teen, they are working on the parents, telling them to ignore what their teen says, and to report it to a counselor right away so their "manipulation" can be handled "appropriately". The parents nark on their kids because they want to believe the BS program line.

Incoming and outgoing mail is read by staff. The teen will never get anything out that hints of abuse. They might attempt a couple of times, but after limited calories, extra work detail, no interaction with their peers, etc. etc. they give up.

You can be assured there will be no visits for months, until they know the kid has been sufficiently brainwashed. They will loose their privelege for a home visit for minor infractions.

It's a closed-loop system. No access to the outside world. They come to believe that the program has ultimate authority over their lives, that their parents couldn't care less what's happening. Parents don't usually hear about abuse until much later, if ever.

My son told me, but he didn't tell his dad, and hasn't to this day, because he knows his dad is in his own lala land of make believe. I think his dad is representative of most program parents.

[Antigen]

On 2003-09-24 10:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

"No One Has Wronged You.

Just as you have made no mistakes, neither has anyone else. Every person's actions have been exactly what you have needed to bring you into this moment. Blame and victim consciousness drain your power and personal energy.

"

Now, why can't WASPies take that attitude with the kids in their care instead of beating them down all the time?

Photo from a recent RR seminar.

We are a one party country. Half of them call themselves Democrats and the other half call themselves Republicans. All the good ideas come from the Libertarians.
--Hugh Downs

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[Anonymous]

You're too funny!   :razz:

[Anonymous]

Deborah - that sounds like a god-awful program your son was in.  It doesn't even sound like a wwasp program either.  What was the name of the one your son is/was in?

[Deborah]

****You and Carey "both" need to locate a dictionary. I think the word you are wanting to use is "credible".

Can we say ANAL?
Can we assume desperate?
FYI....

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde inervtisy,

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wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the

frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.

The rset can be a totla mses adn you can sitll

raed it wouthit porbelm.

Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed

ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

[Deborah]

***You haven't convinced me that High Impact was wwasps.

Brainwashing tends to have that effect.

http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/8/np4.html
New Perspectives - August, 2001 Issue #84  
HIGH IMPACT BOOT CAMP
Baja California, Mexico
Dwayne Lee, Admissions Coordinator ?
Parent Resources Hotline
Hurricane, Utah
800-793-5156

That phone number is for Parent Resources.
Parent Resource video contains live footage of parents of teens in a special group of schools and programs. These parent express their appreciation for the schools and programs that have changed their teens life for the better.

http://www.parentresources.net/JL/booklet_htdwdt.html
| Tranquility Bay | Renowned Specialty Boarding Schools |
| Casa by the Sea | Carolina Springs Academy | Spring Creek Lodge | Cross Creek Manor | Streaming Videos |
| Parent Resource Video | World Wide Association Video | Parent Resource Booklets |
| How to deal with defient teens | How to tell if your teen is using drugs |

CURIOUS. THE WEBSITE DOESN'T MENTION HIGH IMPACT. IT DOES MENTION ALL THE OTHER WWASP PROGRAMS.
AND LOOKY HERE...

http://www.strugglingteens.com/lr/Inter ... Treatment/
 (Ensenda)  
 Casa By The Sea 800-793-5156
 
I'LL BE DARN. THE SAME PHONE NUMBER. GOLLY GEE...
YA THINK THAT WAS A TYPO? DO YOU PEOPLE THINK THE REST OF US ARE JUST PODUNK IDIOTS?

AND,
http://www.ticotimes.net/archive/03_20_03_2.htm
Lichfield said the sites were erroneously published by Parent Resources, a Utah-based marketing firm that handles enrollment and admissions for the WWASP's nine programs in the U.S. and abroad.

And,
http://pub57.ezboard.com/fwevebeenthere ... D=41.topic
My son was in Casa by the Sea for 7 months. Dace Goulding manufactured a lie about my son and true to the form and purpose of WWASP manipulated me into agreeing to send my boy to High Impact. He said that he oversaw the place and that it was a camping experience for those who go and that it covered a beautiful vast area and was very secluded and secure. My son got in an altercation there when the staff who was supposed to watch the boys 24/7 left them alone. My son suffered a broken thumb. He was thrown into a dog kennel cage (I have a video of High Impact provided to me by a detective who investigated it for me.) He was in this cage for 8 days. The first 3 days, he was made to lay on his stomach in the hog tied position with his chin out and supporting his head. He was told not to move lest he be electroucted with a cattle prod. The prod was discharged inches from his face so that he would know it worked. Now before he was trown into the cage, he was beaten by the staff. Efren Hernandez Garcia, grabbed my son by his ears and slammed his face into the dirt until the teeth in his lower jaw broke through to the outside of his lower lip. He was thrown into the cage and his clothes were removed and he lay in a pool of blood from his injury. This is is how he spent his nights. Each night he prayed to go numb from the cold by the numbness never came. He had to lay still as insects crawled over him. At sunrise, he was made to put on thermal underwear and then a heavy woolen sweat suit of navy blue. The temperatures in the day were over 100. He was forced to march. He would fight to not put the sweats on. The staff would grab his broken thumb and twist it to force him to put the clothes on. He complained constantly that his thumb was broken. He was never treated or given medical attention. He was fed only bread and water for 3 days. During the forced marches in the desert heat wearing clothes designed to provoke a heat stroke, he was given an ounce of water every hour. He should have been given a quart. When I finally got him out of there, he was taken to an emergency room. He was immediately scheduled for emergency orthopaedic surgery. He had a bone broken in three places that needed to be put back together with two screws. It was my reports to Mexican authorities that led to the shut down of High Impact. Dace Goulding lies to this day about his knowledge and involvement in High Impact. It was his idea, he oversaw it. The first director, Efren Hernandez, said that Dace Goulding was his boss. The initial calls to High Impact were handled by Casa by the Sea. I am a member in Jeff Berryman's group and am still trying to get a good lawyer. I had one, Tom Burton, but everyone told me to drop him. My son turned 18 this past April. My son sank deeply into hell, the whole year after he was removed from WWASP. I was a program parent until I realized it was the program manipulating me, not my son.
***********************

The truth eventually come out. How do you people sleep at night? You have such high expectations of your children- to function with integrity and honesty. It certainly appears to be a case of "Do as I say, Not as I do." You're just creepy.

[Anonymous]

Deborah - get your facts straight.

Parent Resources markets wwasps.
Parent Resources also markets other programs - including, at one time, High Impact.  PR was the only one that had permission to do so since the other marketing companies are restricted to wwasps PERIOD.

A former employee of Casa by the Sea opened High Impact.  High Impact was suggested when a teen was violent and was no longer welcome at a wwasps school.  

It wasn't owned by or operated by WWASPS.  

There were other kids there that were never in a wwasps school.

I've done my homework. :wink:

[Anonymous]

I agree with the info on Parent Resources Deborah -

That Tico Times article looks like it's full of "holes" as most newspaper articles are.

And you're quoting something from another forum as fact??  Funny

[Deborah]

I'm not quoting from another message board as "fact", but that parent is obviously stating his experience as fact. And I think it deserves consideration.

***It wasn't owned by or operated by WWASPS.

Isn't that what WWASP says about all the programs-they don't own or operate them, only "lend support to"?

The High Impact site gives no information about about the administration or owner, only the phone number to PR. Why didn't HI market their program?
http://www.teenbootcamps.com/highimpact/

Struggling Teens reported that Dwayne Lee was the Adm Coordinator for High Impact. He's also the contact for Parent Resources. Who was the owner?
Who is William Turner?

1-800-793-5156
Ask For Dwayne
Referred By: William Turner
http://www.parentshelpingteens.com/will ... _s_f_p.php

The phone number at the HI site is for PR, yet when ST requested information--
"The audiotape sent with the promotional packet consisted of a number of testimonials by parents and ex-students, mostly, however, apparently referring to the long-term WWASP programs rather than High Impact. A price list was included for the various WWASP programs, but none for High Impact. "

***Parent Resources also markets other programs - including, at one time, High Impact. PR was the only one that had permission to do so since the other marketing companies are restricted to wwasps PERIOD.

Which programs, other than WWASP and HI, does PR market? If you've done your homework you should be able to provide a link to substantiate that?

[Antigen]

On 2003-09-24 21:00:00, Deborah wrote:

"***You haven't convinced me that High Impact was wwasps.



Brainwashing tends to have that effect.

Yes, it does. So don't get too distracted with the fools errand of trying to deprogram brainwashed people. It's like trying to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig. Instead, let's just concentrate on getting the word out to the sane people in this country to restrain the crazies.

The truth eventually come out. How do you people sleep at night? You have such high expectations of your children- to function with integrity and honesty. It certainly appears to be a case of "Do as I say, Not as I do." You're just creepy.

"

Tell me about it! When I got out of Straight I had to fight my mother tooth and nail through the courts to stay out. Even after I turned of age, she tried to force me into the other Straight, LIFE in Osprey just down the road from Sarasota. I was vaguely aware of some investigations and lawsuites at the time. But I really wasn't interested in that. I was tired, didn't want to fight, never did want to fight my parents to begin with and just wanted to get on with my life.

Years later, I found some of the news articles that were all over the papers at the time. And I talked to people who were involved in the investigations and building the indictment against the Program. I found that there is absolutely no way that my mother could not have known what she was trying to force me into.

It was a strange feeling. I felt vindicated because this was pretty much solid evidence of those subtle and difficult to explain reasons why I couldn't have anything to do with her. But, at the same time, it was crushing. In some ways, I liked it better when it was an unsettled question, maybe I was just an asshole daughter asking too much from my mother.

A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question
about it.
--GW Büsh, Business Week, July 30, 2001

[Anonymous]

On 2003-09-24 22:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Deborah - get your facts straight.



Parent Resources markets wwasps.

Parent Resources also markets other programs - including, at one time, High Impact.  PR was the only one that had permission to do so since the other marketing companies are restricted to wwasps PERIOD.



A former employee of Casa by the Sea opened High Impact.  High Impact was suggested when a teen was violent and was no longer welcome at a wwasps school.  



It wasn't owned by or operated by WWASPS.  



There were other kids there that were never in a wwasps school.



I've done my homework. :wink:



"

MOST of the marketing for HI was done internally since MOST of the teens were sent from a wwasp program to HI then back to another wwasp program. Not much need for marketing outside of wwasp. The facility made the travel arrangements and the billing didn't change while the child was at HI.

Are you suggesting that only violent teens were sent to HI? Jay Kay suggested sending my son to HI because he was too comfortable and was not progressing. He was never violent. Not welcome at other schools? When I chose not to send my son to HI there was no talk of him not being welcome at TB.

There may have been others at HI that were not from a wwasp school but I am willing to bet they were referred to another wwasp facility before leaving HI. And there is no question that the vast majority were sent there from a wwasp facility on the recommendation of someone at the child's program.

I suggest your homework is incomplete.

Judy

[Anonymous]

I know this may be a stupid question, but as I was watching the girl say they never even had books, it showed bookcases packed with books.  Do they need regular school books for computer based classes?  I know the computer based classes are common now, especially in charter schools.  Whatever...just a question and an observation -  I don't buy the parents being asked to send books because they didn't have any.  I do think they were probably just asking for more...happens all the time, even in public schools.

[anon]

At one time there were no books. When Dundee was seeking accreditation ( something I had been assured they had already) one of the problems was their were no books in the library. A call went out to the parents for donations. I sent a lot of books and tapes myself - and assume others did as well. I wonder who has them now? I sent some awfully good books. Anyway - at one time there were none - and I imagine thats what was spoken of. And if the parents hadn?t ponyed up, there wouldn?t ever have been any. And I don?t think they ever did have school books like a kid in ?regular? school has.

Weather you buy it or not - its the truth. However, to be clear 'no books' in this case means very very few. For instance - as I recall the photos of the library at the time - a shelf that could hold say 100 books, had maybe 3.

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-09-26 08:59 ]

[Carey]

clear 'no books' in this case means very very few.

Karen, you sound just like Clinton...depends on what your definition of 'no books' "is".

and I imagine thats what was spoken of

That is what you seem to be good at...imagining.